[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MoB Deadly]

Because if I was scum I planned to fakeclaim Bus from the very beginning? Because I knew there would be a bus in this game? because I knew we would get in this situation? because I knew there was no other claims of skeletal reindeer in the game?

What are the chances I planned this from Day 1 as scum?? There's no way, but you believe trini, who didnt hint who he was at all until just now, who conveniently claimed bus to defend his scum mate MeDeFe and/or swing the tide in this most likely MYLO situation.

It's worth to breadcrumb so I actually have credibility when I claim, so that it's easy to see that it's NOT a fakeclaim.

I think the night actions speak for themselves as well. Of ALL the people he could switch, he switched Swifte with JimFinn. I find that very convenient at this point of the game, and I can't believe you don't see that

[dazza2008]

Because if I was scum I planned to fakeclaim Bus from the very beginning? Because I knew there would be a bus in this game? because I knew we would get in this situation? because I knew there was no other claims of skeletal reindeer in the game?

What are the chances I planned this from Day 1 as scum?? There's no way, but you believe trini, who didnt hint who he was at all until just now, who conveniently claimed bus to defend his scum mate MeDeFe and/or swing the tide in this most likely MYLO situation.

It's worth to breadcrumb so I actually have credibility when I claim, so that it's easy to see that it's NOT a fakeclaim.

I think the night actions speak for themselves as well. Of ALL the people he could switch, he switched Swifte with JimFinn. I find that very convenient at this point of the game, and I can't believe you don't see that

Really I was not saying that you planned it here mate. I was stating why I do not do it.

But when I look at your "breadcrumbing" its not even what it looks like you were doing to me. You just added what the busdriver should do.

Just to go back to an earlier point in the game and say you mentioned the word busdriver is not enough to clear you.

I am still not believing you would be informed of being roleblocked either. Why would you? I don't see any reason for you to be told.

[MoB Deadly]

Yes I completely admit I should have done better hinting than just saying what the bus driver should do. At the time I felt like that was a small enough drop that wouldn't get picked up by the mafia. I meant to interpret it as, "yeah im the bus, this is whats going to happen tonight."


What about the fact, I was one of only a couple people that didnt state that Jim's investigation was a total waste. I knew it wasn't wasted thats why I said something. Trini said nothing, does that affect things at all for you?

[trinicardinal]

First off, how in the world do you guys believe Trini's breadcrumb of Bus Driver. Just because he named that the skeletal reindeer pull's jack's sleigh, DOES NOT HINT AT BUS DRIVER AT ALL. I'm 100% calling bullshit on that.

And your breadcrumb is that much more believable because you used busdriver and never alluded to your character name? busdriver is a fairly common role and very likely to come up easy enough for someone to talk about that and easy enough for the topic to be raised in natural conversation and to be retroactively claimed as a breadcrumb. By your argument there you are not the bus driver - Rodion is since he raised it first.

You say my breadcrumb does not hint at busdriver?

The skeletal reindeer - pull Jack's sleigh

pull jack's sleigh - transport - busdriver I made it subtle deliberately because I didn't want it to be too strong for mafia to latch on to me too early.

Also, if you check back my post is the first to talk about the skeletal reindeer and I referred to them more than once and long before the busdrive scene. You only referred to them after I claimed.

first referral - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&p=3458623&hilit=+reindeer+skeletal#p3458623

second referral - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&p=3460485&hilit=+reindeer+skeletal#p3460485

busdrive scene - viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&p=3511834&hilit=Oogie+Boogie#p3511768

the first person to actually mention the reindeer after that scene was strike

Well emaciated quadriped could be Zero or it could be those skeleton reindeer.

(here if you want it - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&hilit=Oogie+Boogie&start=1065#p3517639

From D1 I was talking about that character because I knew that character was in the game because I was given it.

My Type is in Red Bold Here.

unvote in case trini is telling the truth. If not, he's protecting MeDeFe.

This just got really interesting. I'm waiting to here MoB's full post.

2. If I am lying - why is there need for me to "protect" MeDeFe when he only had 2 votes on him? By rights I would just have said "because of my previous case on MeDeFe and chap's arguments I will vote for him - wouldn't that have been much simpler that an alleged "fake" claim?

Because there weren't any other cases developing. Just like Leitz case sslloowwllyy gained momentum, you KNEW MeDeFe's would too, and you decided to protect him now, not later

How could I KNOW? That doesn't make any sense - If I really wanted to divert attention from MeDeFe becuase I knew his case would escalate it would make more sense to make another case on another player. If that did not work and MeDeFe got to L-2 then and only then would might it make sense to protect him from being killed.

We are in a situation where, if we lynch a townie today and mafia kill another townie tonight we are endgamed. It is therefore imperative that I protect a person that I know to have been targeted by the mafia before before they get a chance to speed lynch. Thus I had to speak up when MeDeFe was at 2 votes. If we were mafia that would not have been necessary.

Also, when Jim revealed his N1 investigation I was ecstatic. I just checked, Trini did not comment on whether or not he thought the investigation was good or bad. I didn't take an official stand on it either but I at least addressed it directly:

This is bad. It almost feels like our cop wasted his N1 investigation because a doctor claim is as solid as it gets and shouldn't be investigated before all the unknown people out there.

I know it's easy to think this but I don't necessarily fault Jim for being safe rather than getting an insane guilty result N1. I personally have not seen the movie, but from Sully's pictures and Betiko depiction of the Mayor, he seems like a rather odd character.

I knew that jim had investigated himself since I had switched him and Swite during N1 - there was no need to comment on that - jim got the same innocent so he knew he wasn't insane and I was not about to out myself at that point in time - better save that for a critical time like now.

FALSE. You just made up that Night action now, and wanted to give a night action that didn't really prove anything, and that also couldn't be proven wrong. Again, instance number 2 that I breadcrumbed what happened and you didn't. EXACTLY for this reason. And your last sentence, "better to save that for a critical time like now", okay if its a critical time what did that saving that information do for you? Absolutely nothing, because you didn't GET any info, you made it up.

Actually I was the one to get info, not you. Your claims for the first 2 day are interesting because they basically outed 2 more members of the mafia. That's something that will help when people are sure that you are the one who is lying and it is proven by a lynch. As for what did saving that information do for me? Well that information helped me to start all of this discussion and thanks to that we now have a whole lot more information than before.

N1 - your reasoning - interesting but you never voted on sg7 (now pcm) and even defended him on several occasions cause you are both scum
N2 - interesting again
N3 - ummm... seeing that your "claimed" role is not one that requires a response by the end of the night - How do you know that you were roleblocked? Absolute 100% proof that you are lying MoB. thanks for the confession and for outing your fellow members

This is MY favorite part of your posts. I like how you don't have anything much to say besides "Interesting", you know why? Because you cannot deny the truth! I have facts and reasons AND PROOF through breadcrumbs to back everything up.

And I WAS roleblocked and WAS notified by Safari of this roleblock. The PM is sitting on page 2 of my inbox, ever so eloquently. The fact that THIS is your only argument that I am scum, should make it EXTREMELY obvious to the rest of the players, that you are the one lying.

I love this one because I have several little pm's sitting in my inbox with strike's answers to questions that I raised in relation to scenarios relating to my role and general clarification otherwise ( I've made good use of his rule#15).

@Safari Figured I'd at least try to ask - Can you confirm or deny if you would hypothetically send a roleblocking message to a bus driver?

That question loks rather familiar in a lot of ways.... hmmm.

I would be surprised if he answers (in the thread) in a way that will effectively confirm who is telling the truth but I would be absolutely delighted if he did.

I have more to post but in previewing this I see that I have been fastposted. I'd like to address those posts as well as post some other information and I have given you folks a lot to read.

[trinicardinal]

What about the fact, I was one of only a couple people that didnt state that Jim's investigation was a total waste. I knew it wasn't wasted thats why I said something. Trini said nothing, does that affect things at all for you?

yeah - I said nothing at all... I knew it wasn't a total waste either so I'm not going to comment - the main thing was jim would draw the conclusion that he was sane.

I think the night actions speak for themselves as well. Of ALL the people he could switch, he switched Swifte with JimFinn. I find that very convenient at this point of the game, and I can't believe you don't see that

If you check back in the thread at D1 jim was heavily submarining and appeared to be acting somewhat scummy so I picked him to switch with Swifte. He was also one of the first cases that we went for on D2 as a result of his submarining/behaviour. How is that convenient? You would notice that early in D2 I built cases against jim and (guess who) MeDeFe - are you going to try to say that I knew that he was going to be up for the lynch in D4 and so built a case so I could later show that he was innocent and that I had switched thoughts?

Let me go back slightly and address jim a second -

I'm here, and I don't particularly like either claim. I'd rather we keep both alive one more day and lynch someone else. I just have bad intuition about both (aka both feel like a fakeclaim), but one has to be true.

Quite right - One has to be true

lets re-examine MoB's claim re: action for N3

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Night 3:
I was roleblocked.

I attempted to switch Jim and MeDeFe.
Reason for Jim: Cop, most likely no Watcher
Reasons for MeDeFe: gut feeling he is scum, and/or get lucky again and I can clear him.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1. As a busdriver he would not have been notified that he was roleblocked – let’s see if saf will answer the related question in the thread. If not, you folks can get the answer to this simply enough I think - see rule #15

2. Let’s look at the lynches –

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Apologies for the late scene, I was watching Sherlock Holmes last night (awesome) and my internet went out.

Vote Count

leitz (1)- dazza
dazza(3)- PCM, leitz, jonty
jonty(7)- strike, betiko, chap, trini, MeDeFe, MoB, dazza

jonty has been lynched. Sorry for the delay, was celebrating Chinese New Year.

MoB was involved in every one of the lynches so far.

3. Given the position that we started with on D4, mafia are in a fairly simple position – lynch a townie and the game is basically over. They are a united force against a guessing town. In such a situation there is no need for an elaborate scheme of fake claiming the role of busdriver at the time that I did. As townie it was necessary to protect a townie.

4. Compare MoB's reason for switching jim on N3

Reason for Jim: Cop, most likely no Watcher
Reasons for MeDeFe: gut feeling he is scum, and/or get lucky again and I can clear him.

against my reason check here to see my full quote: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&start=1350#p3585142)

Here are my actions to date -

N1 - Bus jim and Swifte - Swifte had claimed doc (and was the only power role out) so I switched him with another player in case he was targeted. This means that jim investigated himself on N1

N2 - Bus Swifte and MeDeFe - I trusted Swifte to protect jim and bused Swifte in an attempt to protect him - This means that MeDeFe was the mafia target N2! - because of this I assume MeDeFe to be town.

N3 - bus jim and betiko - since jim was roleblocked N2 I bused him with betiko so any roleblocks would be directed away from him and he would be able to investigate - unfortunately that investigation didn't work out too well for us.

Which reason makes more sense there?

5. I find it extremely difficult to believe that mafia would not roleblock our cop (leaving him free to investigate and maybe find one of them) on N3 and, instead, roleblock someone who had no claim out and was therefore a relatively unknown factor and could very easily have been a VT with no night action? - Does MoB truly expect us to believe that line of reasoning?

[shieldgenerator7]

wow this game's still going? Good luck! Go town!

-SG7 ( )

[betiko]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

[trinicardinal]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

well the likelihood is - you. Since I bused jim and you any roleblock aimed at jim would have been diverted to you.

[betiko]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

well the likelihood is - you. Since I bused jim and you any roleblock aimed at jim would have been diverted to you.

so your reasoning is that I'm mafia and that i got roleblocked by the mafia tonight. also that mob's arguments are flawed because he is pretending the mafia roleblocked the busdriver? do you really think any of this makes sense???

[dazza2008]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

well the likelihood is - you. Since I bused jim and you any roleblock aimed at jim would have been diverted to you.

so your reasoning is that I'm mafia and that i got roleblocked by the mafia tonight. also that mob's arguments are flawed because he is pretending the mafia roleblocked the busdriver? do you really think any of this makes sense???

No what he is saying is that the mafia were likely to block Jim but since he switche you with jim you were likely to be blocked. So not directly blocked.

Also last night the mafia would not have known wh the busdriver was.

You seem scummier now to me by not really looking at the points made and trying to make it seem stupid when in all honesty it is not.

[MoB Deadly]

Just noting how Trini and Dazza are not voting for Epitaph1, who is almost guaranteed to be mafia based on chap's lists.

[dazza2008]

Just noting how Trini and Dazza are not voting for Epitaph1, who is almost guaranteed to be mafia based on chap's lists.

I have already explained it mate. I am more convinced you are scum than Epi. I am pretty sure Epi is too but we can only lynch 1 at a time.

[trinicardinal]

Just noting how Trini and Dazza are not voting for Epitaph1, who is almost guaranteed to be mafia based on chap's lists.

And so have I - Epitaph is "guaranteed" only if several claims that have come out are true - if any one is a fakeclaim then Epitaph is not guaranteed. I've gone through this before but you keep ignoring it - Can't say I'm surprised though.

[betiko]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

well the likelihood is - you. Since I bused jim and you any roleblock aimed at jim would have been diverted to you.

so your reasoning is that I'm mafia and that i got roleblocked by the mafia tonight. also that mob's arguments are flawed because he is pretending the mafia roleblocked the busdriver? do you really think any of this makes sense???

No what he is saying is that the mafia were likely to block Jim but since he switche you with jim you were likely to be blocked. So not directly blocked.

Also last night the mafia would not have known wh the busdriver was.

You seem scummier now to me by not really looking at the points made and trying to make it seem stupid when in all honesty it is not.

well, I am going to claim now so you understand better my arguments. I am Igor - Town Inventor

Epitaph cannot be Igor because that is me. I wanted to wait just a little to see what happened, but it's not going too much on epitaph's way in terms of votes.

I had 2 devices that I have already used. The first one was on night 2, I used a forcefield generator on swifte because we had both the cop and the doctor out. swifte was going to protect the cop and no one was going to protect him, he was just going to be watched.

My second device, the seeing crystal, was used LAST NIGHT on chapcrap and i got an investigative result. Chap is innocent. I had still a few doubts and I said on day 3 that i would look at it more actively on day 4 (the chap case). I therefore didn't get roleblocked!!!! I used my night action.

What does all this means for me?

-epitaph is 100% scum for claiming igor and for being in any list no matter what
-me and jim performed an investigation and both got results. the cop was the only power role out. I had already suggested that jim being so quiet during day 3 might have put him under the scum radar, and that they could've been taking the risk to let him go and target a real active power role, jack or the busdriver that they might have found by deduction with the info they had
-chapcrap is innocent.


so here is my sure to be innocent list:
-jim
-chap
-trini OR mob

here is mu sure to be scum list:
-epitaph
-trini OR mob

here is my most likely town list:
-dazza
-leitz

here is my shady list:
-PCM
-Medefe

I think that I have acumulated enough evidence vs epitaph with this post.

fastposted!

[Epitaph1]

Well the only power role out was thé cop and he obviously didn't get roleblocked, so who got role blocked??

well the likelihood is - you. Since I bused jim and you any roleblock aimed at jim would have been diverted to you.

so your reasoning is that I'm mafia and that i got roleblocked by the mafia tonight. also that mob's arguments are flawed because he is pretending the mafia roleblocked the busdriver? do you really think any of this makes sense???

No what he is saying is that the mafia were likely to block Jim but since he switche you with jim you were likely to be blocked. So not directly blocked.

Also last night the mafia would not have known wh the busdriver was.

You seem scummier now to me by not really looking at the points made and trying to make it seem stupid when in all honesty it is not.

well, I am going to claim now so you understand better my arguments. I am Igor - Town Inventor

Epitaph cannot be Igor because that is me. I wanted to wait just a little to see what happened, but it's not going too much on epitaph's way in terms of votes.

I had 2 devices that I have already used. The first one was on night 2, I used a forcefield generator on swifte because we had both the cop and the doctor out. swifte was going to protect the cop and no one was going to protect him, he was just going to be watched.

My second device, the seeing crystal, was used LAST NIGHT on chapcrap and i got an investigative result. Chap is innocent. I had still a few doubts and I said on day 3 that i would look at it more actively on day 4 (the chap case). I therefore didn't get roleblocked!!!! I used my night action.

What does all this means for me?

-epitaph is 100% scum for claiming igor and for being in any list no matter what
-me and jim performed an investigation and both got results. the cop was the only power role out. I had already suggested that jim being so quiet during day 3 might have put him under the scum radar, and that they could've been taking the risk to let him go and target a real active power role, jack or the busdriver that they might have found by deduction with the info they had
-chapcrap is innocent.


so here is my sure to be innocent list:
-jim
-chap
-trini OR mob

here is mu sure to be scum list:
-epitaph
-trini OR mob

here is my most likely town list:
-dazza
-leitz

here is my shady list:
-PCM
-Medefe

I think that I have acumulated enough evidence vs epitaph with this post.

fastposted!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Worst fakeclaim ever. Thanks for verifying my claim when apparently it was so hard for others to believe. Seeing crystals? Forcefield generator? What Nightmare Before Christmas have you watched?

Vote betiko

[chapcrap]

Oh man. Another counter claim...

I'm gonna have to take a minute to process this info and think about who is truth telling and who is lying and what all of the evidence adds up to. I'll be back.

[trinicardinal]

well, I am going to claim now so you understand better my arguments. I am Igor - Town Inventor

Epitaph cannot be Igor because that is me. I wanted to wait just a little to see what happened, but it's not going too much on epitaph's way in terms of votes.

I had 2 devices that I have already used. The first one was on night 2, I used a forcefield generator on swifte because we had both the cop and the doctor out. swifte was going to protect the cop and no one was going to protect him, he was just going to be watched.

My second device, the seeing crystal, was used LAST NIGHT on chapcrap and i got an investigative result. Chap is innocent. I had still a few doubts and I said on day 3 that i would look at it more actively on day 4 (the chap case). I therefore didn't get roleblocked!!!! I used my night action.

What does all this means for me?

-epitaph is 100% scum for claiming igor and for being in any list no matter what
-me and jim performed an investigation and both got results. the cop was the only power role out. I had already suggested that jim being so quiet during day 3 might have put him under the scum radar, and that they could've been taking the risk to let him go and target a real active power role, jack or the busdriver that they might have found by deduction with the info they had
-chapcrap is innocent.


so here is my sure to be innocent list:
-jim
-chap
-trini OR mob

here is mu sure to be scum list:
-epitaph
-trini OR mob

here is my most likely town list:
-dazza
-leitz

here is my shady list:
-PCM
-Medefe

I think that I have acumulated enough evidence vs epitaph with this post.

fastposted!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Worst fakeclaim ever. Thanks for verifying my claim when apparently it was so hard for others to believe. Seeing crystals? Forcefield generator? What Nightmare Before Christmas have you watched?

Vote betiko

Well I certainly expected better from betiko but it would be better to concentrate on one person at a time overall - but thanks betiko for the ridiculous counter claim. I'll deal more with this when I have more time. I agree with Epitaph though - Seeing crystals? Forcefield generator?

[betiko]

well trini; i don't make up the devices i'm given to start with. As you know, this is my first mafia, but you can ask more experienced players about the inventor role, I don't get to give names to the inventions. and why would I fake counterclaim at this point with already the trini-mob case?

funily enough, epitaph and trini on the same side. So did you put one of your scum mates in your original list trini to then clear him up? I'm starting to lean mob in the bus drivers battle.

Now that I think about it; trini has tried to look helpfull for town all game making cases on everyone. but what was he really doing? he was just plainly regrouping quotes from players and repeating what they were saying. Has any of his cases had any real significance untill his claim? it just looks like a player trying to make people forget him.
Now; there is only one igor and only one bus driver. I'd like to hear from medefe and PCM.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(3)-betiko, leitz, MoB
betiko(1)- epitaph


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[safariguy5]

In regards to night actions, I can neither confirm nor deny whatever any player says about night actions. That will have to wait until the game is over, but I guarantee that no one player knows more about the mechanics of how night actions work more than another.

[trinicardinal]

In regards to night actions, I can neither confirm nor deny whatever any player says about night actions. That will have to wait until the game is over, but I guarantee that no one player knows more about the mechanics of how night actions work more than another.

lol - Told you so. I knew saf wasn't going to say anything that would be helpful cause I had already asked him. all I can say is use rule 15 to your advantage folks. You may still be able to get useful information if you use it properly.

[pancakemix]

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

[Epitaph1]

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

What a joke. Two people claim the same character: one a backup doctor which fits the character but people question the balance the role adds and the other an inventor which does NOT fit the character and has a list of inventions that have no correlation to the flavor of the game. Who's more believable? Well, the role that doesn't make any sense, of course!

[betiko]

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

What a joke. Two people claim the same character: one a backup doctor which fits the character but people question the balance the role adds and the other an inventor which does NOT fit the character and has a list of inventions that have no correlation to the flavor of the game. Who's more believable? Well, the role that doesn't make any sense, of course!

dr frinkelstein makes completely sense as a doctor? the mayor makes completely sense as a cop? sally being one way lover with jack makes completely sense compared to the movie? Igor is doctor frinklestein's assistant, nothing more. frinklestein is not a doctor, he is a mad scientist with lots of inventions, to which igor contributes. What are the most commonly used devices for an inventor? from what i ve been told those are the 2 standard devices for an inventor in any mafia game.
Also you haven't answered my question. what was your night action?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(4)-betiko, leitz, MoB, PCM
betiko(1)- epitaph


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.