[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[trinicardinal]

All I'm getting out of that post is "You panicked, you're scum, you're lying". You can say that all you want, but it's not at all convincing. I could stand here and call out for the sun all day, but if it stops snowing it won't be to my credit. On top of that, you still haven't explained what you don't understand about my case on dazza that warrants a vote on me. Quite frankly I don't understand what you don't understand, and I'm starting to think it's nothing at all.

aww is that it pcm? well it is true MoB panicked, is scum and is lying. You're "not convinced" simply because you are also scum as MoB has already shown by "clearing" you and my voting for you certainly got some interesting results didn't it? I figured once I voted for one of the mafia candidates after my case then at least one of you would slip up trying to defend each other as has happened.

[dazza2008]

I was leaning towards believing trini over MoB anyway but MoB saying he was roleblocked made the decision easier. Why would a busdriver be told he was blocked? No reason at all for it.

I agree with the list but who should we lynch first?

[trinicardinal]

I was leaning towards believing trini over MoB anyway but MoB saying he was roleblocked made the decision easier. Why would a busdriver be told he was blocked? No reason at all for it.

I agree with the list but who should we lynch first?

based on all that has been said I'd start it off this way

1st - MoB he has exposed himself completely by claiming that he was roleblocked as busdriver. That proves he lied so he dies first.
2nd PCM or betiko - both I would consider as guilty based on MoB's reaction plus my reasoning stated earlier
3rd PCM or betiko - whoever we don't lynch 2nd basically - same reasoning
4th Epitaph

[dazza2008]

I was leaning towards believing trini over MoB anyway but MoB saying he was roleblocked made the decision easier. Why would a busdriver be told he was blocked? No reason at all for it.

I agree with the list but who should we lynch first?

based on all that has been said I'd start it off this way

1st - MoB he has exposed himself completely by claiming that he was roleblocked as busdriver. That proves he lied so he dies first.
2nd PCM or betiko - both I would consider as guilty based on MoB's reaction plus my reasoning stated earlier
3rd PCM or betiko - whoever we don't lynch 2nd basically - same reasoning
4th Epitaph

Sounds good to me. Jim could investigate those on the list too just to double check things.

Vote MoB Deadly

[pancakemix]

All I'm getting out of that post is "You panicked, you're scum, you're lying". You can say that all you want, but it's not at all convincing. I could stand here and call out for the sun all day, but if it stops snowing it won't be to my credit. On top of that, you still haven't explained what you don't understand about my case on dazza that warrants a vote on me. Quite frankly I don't understand what you don't understand, and I'm starting to think it's nothing at all.

aww is that it pcm? well it is true MoB panicked, is scum and is lying. You're "not convinced" simply because you are also scum as MoB has already shown by "clearing" you and my voting for you certainly got some interesting results didn't it? I figured once I voted for one of the mafia candidates after my case then at least one of you would slip up trying to defend each other as has happened.

There you go again. "You're scum, you're scared." Do you have anything to say? And why are you acting like a dick?

[chapcrap]

I had been leaning towards believing MoB earlier.

Why couldn't a busdriver be told that they are roleblocked? I don't see why they wouldn't be told that. I also don't see what good it would do him to make it up.

trini, dazza, why vote for MoB if you agree with my lists and think that Epi is scum either way? Why say that of the 4 we should lynch Epi last if he is scum either way? That doesn't make any sense trini.

I agree with PCM's assessment.

There you go again. "You're scum, you're scared." Do you have anything to say? And why are you acting like a dick?

Please don't speed lynch anyone today. Let's make sure we do the right thing.

[trinicardinal]

I had been leaning towards believing MoB earlier.

Why couldn't a busdriver be told that they are roleblocked? I don't see why they wouldn't be told that. I also don't see what good it would do him to make it up.

trini, dazza, why vote for MoB if you agree with my lists and think that Epi is scum either way? Why say that of the 4 we should lynch Epi last if he is scum either way? That doesn't make any sense trini.

I agree with PCM's assessment.

There you go again. "You're scum, you're scared." Do you have anything to say? And why are you acting like a dick?

Please don't speed lynch anyone today. Let's make sure we do the right thing.

well chap - quite simply - your list matches mine perfectly. My list is done on the assumption that you, dazza and Leitz have told us the truth. If, for example, you have fakeclaimed then it means that one of the 4 people on that list is not mafia. based on all that has been said that person is most likely to be Epitaph. MoB by his reaction is 100% mafia so he is absolute top choice for me and the reason why I am voting for him. He has also slipped up in trying to fakeclaim thereby also showing that he is mafia.

One thing I do agree with is your statement on speed lynching - its exactly what I was trying to avoid because if we make a mistake that's it.

Btw I would like both you and PCM to please inform me exactly what it was that I said that means I am acting like a dick" seeing that I have not insulted anyone's character, intelligence etc. nor used any obscene language. If I have truly acted like a dick I would like to apologise for it.

So the next question is - aside from Mob, betiko and pcm - did you fakeclaim and are you therefore the 4th mafia member instead of Epitaph? Is that why you are in a hurry to get rid of Epitaph? I noticed that Epitaph quickly unvoted in case I was telling the truth while you didn't

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

If trini is lying, here is the mafia:

trinicardinal
MeDeFe
Epitaph1
Leitz/dazza?

If MoB is lying, here is the mafia:

MoB Deadly
pancakemix
betiko
Epitaph1

After looking things over, it seems that either way, Epitaph1 is probably mafia. Doesn't it seem that way? Also, it seems like Leitz or dazza may have fake claimed. To me, it looks more like MoB is telling the truth than trini. I would vote for trini, but as stated earlier, I think it's best to vote for someone who is on the list instead. So, I'll keep my vote with MeDeFe for now. However, it seems to me that Epi is scum either way. Maybe we should just lynch him for now.

That little sentence in red is also interesting chap. You seem almost to be begging for people to agree to that and may be a slip on your part. But I would rather concentrate on one person at a time from the listing. MoB has proven that he is mafia and we have to lynch mafia today so my vote is for him first. Then the others. Its as simple as that.

Leitz - again I say if you have any questions for me please ask them and I also extend that to the rest of the players. Also consider this - you know your own role.

I am saying that based on the responses so far and the knowledge gained from my night actions the situation is as follows:

Non Mafia
jimfinn
trinicardinal
MeDeFe
dazza
Leitz

Uncertain
Epitaph
chapcrap - and i'm starting to lean more towards the possibility that he is mafia rather that Epitaph based on the responses so far.

Mafia
MoB
pcm
betiko


In all of this I'd especially love to hear an opinion from MeDeFe, Leitz and probably the person who this is most crucial to in a lot of ways - Epitaph

[dazza2008]

I really do not believe MoB that is why my vote is there. I say it makes more sense to lynch the 1 we are most sure is scum.

[Epitaph1]

Well, I hope this makes things a little easier for us.

I'm Igor - Backup Doctor. I protected jim last night (to apparently no avail).

Personally, the only thing I can tell for sure is that either trini or MoB is mafia. I've modded a couple of games in my clan and I've often told the busdriver (and other roles) when they've been blocked or at least given them an unsuccessful action response or something. That's why I'm not sold about the apparent slip up that trini is pointing out. Does saf usually do that?

I don't think this comes down to me or chap as the 4th mafia because I believe that chap is town based on his willingness to hammer Rodion. I would put daz over chap if we aren't sure about the final mafia member.

Nothing has changed my mind as to the scumminess of MeDeFe's play except for trini's claim that he switched him with Swifte the night that Swifte died. But at this point, the only way I can clear MeDeFe in my mind is if we lynch MoB and he flips mafia, thus verifying trini's claim. If trini were to flip mafia, I think MeDeFe is the safest 2nd lynch.

[chapcrap]

He has also slipped up in trying to fakeclaim thereby also showing that he is mafia.

False. You say he has slipped up because you're trying to play the mod. I don't see why the mod wouldn't tell someone that they were role blocked. That seems like a normal thing to say.

Btw I would like both you and PCM to please inform me exactly what it was that I said that means I am acting like a dick" seeing that I have not insulted anyone's character, intelligence etc. nor used any obscene language. If I have truly acted like a dick I would like to apologise for it.

I wasn't saying the dick part. I guess I could have edited that out of the quote. I meant the rest. It doesn't really sound like you have evidence.

So the next question is - aside from Mob, betiko and pcm - did you fakeclaim and are you therefore the 4th mafia member instead of Epitaph? Is that why you are in a hurry to get rid of Epitaph? I noticed that Epitaph quickly unvoted in case I was telling the truth while you didn't

I didn't unvote, because I didn't see a reason to. I was the only one on MeDeFe and it's not like he's going to be speed lynched all of a sudden.
And if I was in such a hurry to lynch Epi, why wouldn't I unvote and vote for him?

It seems like your logic is flawed.

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

If trini is lying, here is the mafia:

trinicardinal
MeDeFe
Epitaph1
Leitz/dazza?

If MoB is lying, here is the mafia:

MoB Deadly
pancakemix
betiko
Epitaph1

After looking things over, it seems that either way, Epitaph1 is probably mafia. Doesn't it seem that way? Also, it seems like Leitz or dazza may have fake claimed. To me, it looks more like MoB is telling the truth than trini. I would vote for trini, but as stated earlier, I think it's best to vote for someone who is on the list instead. So, I'll keep my vote with MeDeFe for now. However, it seems to me that Epi is scum either way. Maybe we should just lynch him for now.

That little sentence in red is also interesting chap. You seem almost to be begging for people to agree to that and may be a slip on your part. But I would rather concentrate on one person at a time from the listing. MoB has proven that he is mafia and we have to lynch mafia today so my vote is for him first. Then the others. Its as simple as that.

I'm not begging for anyone to agree with me. You and dazza agreed willingly already. I'm asking people to think about what would better, to lynch someone who is on both of my lists (as well as yours and dazza's) or have a 50/50 shot at lynching our busdriver?

As far as I'm concerned, it seems like you are the one trying to speed lynch MoB, not me speed lynch Epi. It seems like dazza has taken your side (either because he's mafia or he believes you) and you are trying to sway Leitz to vote as well. I think you're lying.

I really do not believe MoB that is why my vote is there. I say it makes more sense to lynch the 1 we are most sure is scum.

So, you have Epi on both lists, but you are most sure MoB is scum? Nice logic...NOT!

Well, I hope this makes things a little easier for us.

I'm Igor - Backup Doctor. I protected jim last night (to apparently no avail).

A second doctor? That seems unlikely to me. But, with the town seemingly having no power roles, perhaps it does make sense. So far, we seen our doctor lynch as well as 4 VTs and a mason (that means we have another mason). I'm a VT, not the mason. So, overall, we have probably 13 roles and at least 7 are pretty much no power at all perhaps a second doctor is believable, but I'm not sure. I've never seen a second town doctor in a game. And rarely a doctor and a jailkeeper or bodyguard at the same time either. I'll have to think on this.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
trini(1)-MoB

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[dazza2008]

I really do not believe MoB that is why my vote is there. I say it makes more sense to lynch the 1 we are most sure is scum.

So, you have Epi on both lists, but you are most sure MoB is scum? Nice logic...NOT!

When I wrote that I was not sure on Epi. I thought it was either Epi or you.

We all cleared you when you hammered the bomb claim but it does not 100% clear you. Bomb could have been given as a safe fake claim to the scum so they would know if it is claimed then it is fake.

Since then though Epi has posted what looks to me like a fake claim so I think he is the 4th.

You say the mod would tell MoB he got blocked but why? I always think only roles that require feedback would be told. Would the scum be told if their night kill was blocked? I doubt it. So in my eyes busdriver is the same. No reason for him to be told.

[chapcrap]

You say the mod would tell MoB he got blocked but why? I always think only roles that require feedback would be told. Would the scum be told if their night kill was blocked? I doubt it. So in my eyes busdriver is the same. No reason for him to be told.

They wouldn't need to be told. It would be apparent the next day when there wasn't a death.

[betiko]

Ok, sorry guys started a new job this monday and can't connect too much... definitely some real interesting things happened here and you left me with a lot to read!

I personally know my role, so I know that trini is wrong. Between trini and mob; we obviously have a liar. now the fact that trini is sure to put me on his scum list doesn't make me sure he is the liar; there might be a fakeclaim beetween leitz, chap and dazza.
Also; do you think that if mob prepared all this list of fake night actions, with the possibility of "clearing" 2 players, he would've chosen 2 out of 2 scummates? i don't really think it would've been really strategic.
I personally like pretty much chap's reasoning and I quite agree with both lists. Also, epitaph is the only one that appears in both lists.
Backup doctor, really? it could fit with the flavour, but i think it's a lot of power roles for the town.. also here are the kills so far:

Dead
11. BGtheBrain- Devil, Vanila Townie lynched Day 1
10. drunkmonkey- Creature Under the Stairs, Vanilla Townie killed Night 1
3. Rodion - Clown with a Tear Away Face, Vanilla Townie lynched Day 2
9. Swifte - Dr. Finkelstein, Town Doctor killed Night 2
6. jonty125 - Gate Keeper, Vanilla Townie lynched Day 3
16. strike wolf - Zero, Town Mason killed Night 3

what were your night actions epi???
If we misslynch between the "2 bus drivers" to night we lose and if we get it right we win, quite a gamble...
I am pretty sure of one thing; a backup doctor doesn't fit in the puzzle... looking a this from both the trini perspective and the mob perspective, epitaph has to be scum, and he is the possible scum I'm the most convinced about by far.
He also clearly jumped on a trini bandwagon. I think this is the safest bet for the town; kill the guy that is the most likely scum in all scenarios (except for his bs claim scenario lol)

VOTE EPITAPH

[pancakemix]

aww is that it pcm? well it is true MoB panicked, is scum and is lying. You're "not convinced" simply because you are also scum as MoB has already shown by "clearing" you and my voting for you certainly got some interesting results didn't it? I figured once I voted for one of the mafia candidates after my case then at least one of you would slip up trying to defend each other as has happened.

Stuff like this. Seriously, you can tell me you don't believe me, but you don't have to be condescending about it.

Too tired to truly say anything of worth right now. I might be able to pop in tomorrow. Might is the key word in that phrase.

[trinicardinal]

aww is that it pcm? well it is true MoB panicked, is scum and is lying. You're "not convinced" simply because you are also scum as MoB has already shown by "clearing" you and my voting for you certainly got some interesting results didn't it? I figured once I voted for one of the mafia candidates after my case then at least one of you would slip up trying to defend each other as has happened.

Stuff like this. Seriously, you can tell me you don't believe me, but you don't have to be condescending about it.

Too tired to truly say anything of worth right now. I might be able to pop in tomorrow. Might is the key word in that phrase.

If that makes you feel that I was being a dick pcm then I apologise. No ill-will was intended.

He has also slipped up in trying to fakeclaim thereby also showing that he is mafia.

False. You say he has slipped up because you're trying to play the mod. I don't see why the mod wouldn't tell someone that they were role blocked. That seems like a normal thing to say.

No offense chap but I believe you might be guilty of the same thing that you are accusing me of. Anytime you try to guess someone's role or decide whether to believe their claim people "play the mod" to some extent or not - when someone decides that something "fits the flavour" that person is "playing the mod". Ironically there are sometimes simpler ways to get some certainty about situations if you consider it.

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

Btw this logic is flawed since we know that there is a roleblocker - roleblock the bus driver and he can't switch himself anyway so you still risk losing the busdriver if he is targeted - the risk is even greater that that though. The risk is if we lynch town today we lose the game.

So, you have Epi on both lists, but you are most sure MoB is scum? Nice logic...NOT!

Since when? Epi is on both lists because we both made the same assumption .

on the other hand it is a fact that either myself or MoB has to be lying - I am telling the truth therefore MoB has to be lying so I am 100% sure about MoB. Pure logic - the difference is that you would not know while I would... its up to me to prove to you that I am telling the truth. But my logic is straightforward

Well, I hope this makes things a little easier for us.

I'm Igor - Backup Doctor. I protected jim last night (to apparently no avail).

A second doctor? That seems unlikely to me. But, with the town seemingly having no power roles, perhaps it does make sense. So far, we seen our doctor lynch as well as 4 VTs and a mason (that means we have another mason). I'm a VT, not the mason. So, overall, we have probably 13 roles and at least 7 are pretty much no power at all perhaps a second doctor is believable, but I'm not sure. I've never seen a second town doctor in a game. And rarely a doctor and a jailkeeper or bodyguard at the same time either. I'll have to think on this.

I do agree that a second doctor seems unlikely. and therefore this question is also valid.

what were your night actions epi???

lets update my list a little

jim - claim: Mayor - Cop
dazza - claim: Behemoth VT
Leitz - claim: Sally - one way Lover

MeDeFe - no claim but was targeted by mafia N2

Epitaph - claim: Igor - backup doctor
chapcrap - claim: VT (no name stated)

trinicardinal - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver
MoB - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver (I am 100% sure its a fake claim and he is mafia)

people I believe are mafia based on reactions to date
pcm - no claim
betiko - no claim

We need some more discussion on the matter - I haven't seen jim comment yet and he was the one talking about a mass claim so -

saf can you prod jim please?

[Leitz]

I've reread through the last few pages and there are two teams forming:

PCM is taking MoB's side
dazza is teaming with trini

As of right now I'm still not sure who is lying: MoB or trini. I do believe Epitaph to be mafia (feeling I've had for a while) so for lack of more evidence and not taking the risk of losing our bus driver and not believing his claim my vote is on him:
Unvote, vote Epitaph

[trinicardinal]

I had intended to address Epitaph's post directly but got sidetracked

Well, I hope this makes things a little easier for us.

I'm Igor - Backup Doctor. I protected jim last night (to apparently no avail).

Personally, the only thing I can tell for sure is that either trini or MoB is mafia.

No arguments there.

I've modded a couple of games in my clan and I've often told the busdriver (and other roles) when they've been blocked or at least given them an unsuccessful action response or something. That's why I'm not sold about the apparent slip up that trini is pointing out. Does saf usually do that?

Why not find out? I'll also see If I can find anything in his modded games for you.

I don't think this comes down to me or chap as the 4th mafia because I believe that chap is town based on his willingness to hammer Rodion. I would put daz over chap if we aren't sure about the final mafia member.

That 4th member is the one I'm the most uncertain about which is why I prefer to deal with MoB first - I am 100% sure about him.

Nothing has changed my mind as to the scumminess of MeDeFe's play except for trini's claim that he switched him with Swifte the night that Swifte died. But at this point, the only way I can clear MeDeFe in my mind is if we lynch MoB and he flips mafia, thus verifying trini's claim. If trini were to flip mafia, I think MeDeFe is the safest 2nd lynch.

Quite frankly if i hadn't switched him with Swifte on N2 I would feel the same way because of his approach to the game. Given what happened on N2 he was the target making him at least third party if not town. Therefore I agree with your analysis.

[trinicardinal]

sorry for the second post folks but I just wanted to add this warning:

6 votes are needed to lynch a player

from the moment 2 townies vote for a non mafia member then mafia has a chance to speed lynch so please be very, very careful with your voting

[jimfinn]

I'm here, and I don't particularly like either claim. I'd rather we keep both alive one more day and lynch someone else. I just have bad intuition about both (aka both feel like a fakeclaim), but one has to be true.

[Epitaph1]

I'm here, and I don't particularly like either claim. I'd rather we keep both alive one more day and lynch someone else. I just have bad intuition about both (aka both feel like a fakeclaim), but one has to be true.

To which two claims are you referring, jim? There have been at least three since your last post.

sorry for the second post folks but I just wanted to add this warning:

6 votes are needed to lynch a player

from the moment 2 townies vote for a non mafia member then mafia has a chance to speed lynch so please be very, very careful with your voting

What the hell are you guys doing?! Take one of your votes off of me before the I get speed lynched. If Leitz or betiko don't unvote me ASAP, we're flirting with disaster. We can debate all we want and I'm willing to answer any questions, but don't put 2 votes on me. With 10 remaining, and 4 being mafia, this game is over with a mislynch.

I can't do anything about the role I've been given, but I'm not sure what the hangups are with having a backup doctor. Aside from me, the town only has/had 3 power roles (BD, cop, and Dr) along with Jack who takes Sally with him if killed (I've seen nothing to indicate that Jack has much power beyond possibly being a mason). I didn't think anything of my role when I got my pm nor throughout the game. It's seemed balanced to me the whole time, so I'm not sure why this is such an issue.

[betiko]

I'm here, and I don't particularly like either claim. I'd rather we keep both alive one more day and lynch someone else. I just have bad intuition about both (aka both feel like a fakeclaim), but one has to be true.

To which two claims are you referring, jim? There have been at least three since your last post.

sorry for the second post folks but I just wanted to add this warning:

6 votes are needed to lynch a player

from the moment 2 townies vote for a non mafia member then mafia has a chance to speed lynch so please be very, very careful with your voting

What the hell are you guys doing?! Take one of your votes off of me before the I get speed lynched. If Leitz or betiko don't unvote me ASAP, we're flirting with disaster. We can debate all we want and I'm willing to answer any questions, but don't put 2 votes on me. With 10 remaining, and 4 being mafia, this game is over with a mislynch.

I can't do anything about the role I've been given, but I'm not sure what the hangups are with having a backup doctor. Aside from me, the town only has/had 3 power roles (BD, cop, and Dr) along with Jack who takes Sally with him if killed (I've seen nothing to indicate that Jack has much power beyond possibly being a mason). I didn't think anything of my role when I got my pm nor throughout the game. It's seemed balanced to me the whole time, so I'm not sure why this is such an issue.

what about the masons? anyway, i have no doubt you are scum, and there is no way i will unvote. "sppedlynching you" as you call it will just get us rid of one mafia. what about your night actions???? how can you not be either on mob's list or trini's list? you are guilty as hell.

[MoB Deadly]

catching up now - havent read since my claim - sorry shits been crazy

[MoB Deadly]

First off, how in the world do you guys believe Trini's breadcrumb of Bus Driver. Just because he named that the skeletal reindeer pull's jack's sleigh, DOES NOT HINT AT BUS DRIVER AT ALL. I'm 100% calling bullshit on that.

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

If trini is lying, here is the mafia:

trinicardinal
MeDeFe
Epitaph1
Leitz/dazza?

If MoB is lying, here is the mafia:

MoB Deadly
pancakemix
betiko
Epitaph1

After looking things over, it seems that either way, Epitaph1 is probably mafia. Doesn't it seem that way? Also, it seems like Leitz or dazza may have fake claimed.

I definitely agree Epitaph1 looks like a guaranteed scum here. I will vote him by the end of this post unless future posts convince me otherwise.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
My Type is in Red Bold Here.

unvote in case trini is telling the truth. If not, he's protecting MeDeFe.

This just got really interesting. I'm waiting to here MoB's full post.

2. If I am lying - why is there need for me to "protect" MeDeFe when he only had 2 votes on him? By rights I would just have said "because of my previous case on MeDeFe and chap's arguments I will vote for him - wouldn't that have been much simpler that an alleged "fake" claim?

Because there weren't any other cases developing. Just like Leitz case sslloowwllyy gained momentum, you KNEW MeDeFe's would too, and you decided to protect him now, not later

Also, when Jim revealed his N1 investigation I was ecstatic. I just checked, Trini did not comment on whether or not he thought the investigation was good or bad. I didn't take an official stand on it either but I at least addressed it directly:

This is bad. It almost feels like our cop wasted his N1 investigation because a doctor claim is as solid as it gets and shouldn't be investigated before all the unknown people out there.

I know it's easy to think this but I don't necessarily fault Jim for being safe rather than getting an insane guilty result N1. I personally have not seen the movie, but from Sully's pictures and Betiko depiction of the Mayor, he seems like a rather odd character.

I knew that jim had investigated himself since I had switched him and Swite during N1 - there was no need to comment on that - jim got the same innocent so he knew he wasn't insane and I was not about to out myself at that point in time - better save that for a critical time like now.

FALSE. You just made up that Night action now, and wanted to give a night action that didn't really prove anything, and that also couldn't be proven wrong. Again, instance number 2 that I breadcrumbed what happened and you didn't. EXACTLY for this reason. And your last sentence, "better to save that for a critical time like now", okay if its a critical time what did that saving that information do for you? Absolutely nothing, because you didn't GET any info, you made it up.

N1 - your reasoning - interesting but you never voted on sg7 (now pcm) and even defended him on several occasions cause you are both scum
N2 - interesting again
N3 - ummm... seeing that your "claimed" role is not one that requires a response by the end of the night - How do you know that you were roleblocked? Absolute 100% proof that you are lying MoB. thanks for the confession and for outing your fellow members

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This is MY favorite part of your posts. I like how you don't have anything much to say besides "Interesting", you know why? Because you cannot deny the truth! I have facts and reasons AND PROOF through breadcrumbs to back everything up.

And I WAS roleblocked and WAS notified by Safari of this roleblock. The PM is sitting on page 2 of my inbox, ever so eloquently. The fact that THIS is your only argument that I am scum, should make it EXTREMELY obvious to the rest of the players, that you are the one lying.
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chapcrap - and i'm starting to lean more towards the possibility that he is mafia rather that Epitaph based on the responses so far.

I just have to laugh at the fact you think Chap is mafia - ahahhahahahahah
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Epitaph1 - Your claim sounds weak to me. I feel like it's a textbook mafia claim.
@Betiko - He would only have 1 night action on N3, because Swifte didn't die until N2.

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Lets lynch the scumbag, unless someone can convince me otherwise

unvote vote epitaph1

@Safari Figured I'd at least try to ask - Can you confirm or deny if you would hypothetically send a roleblocking message to a bus driver?

[dazza2008]

First off, how in the world do you guys believe Trini's breadcrumb of Bus Driver. Just because he named that the skeletal reindeer pull's jack's sleigh, DOES NOT HINT AT BUS DRIVER AT ALL. I'm 100% calling bullshit on that.

What does that matter? I never "breadcrumb" any role I have. I always want to give as little away as possible. Scum can easily do it too to back up a fake claim later on.

I don't get it at all and I do not belive your claim at all. I will leave my vote on you.