Stool Pigeon Mafia - Game Over! Mafia Win!!! MVP- Zimmah

[VioIet]

Alright, I'm setting a three day deadline.

If there aren't enough votes by the deadline, then Day 4 will end with no lynch.

[MoB Deadly]

unvote vote fox

[chapcrap]

Alright, I'm setting a three day deadline.

If there aren't enough votes by the deadline, then Day 4 will end with no lynch.

Hmm... Well, I don't really know who to lynch. I didn't like MoB's explanation very much, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum. The fact is, if we don't lynch, town will not win. Fact. Unless the second night kills that have been happening are from a town vig instead of an SK. Which, I don't think is possible, because I don't think there are any town vigs in this game according to the rules. So, we must lynch!

[thehippo8]

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[FoxMists]

vote mob

Its the only lead we have beyond Wild's sudden and inexplicable interest in me.

[FoxMists]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

[chapcrap]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

I can explain his vote.

"Oh crap, we have a deadline and I have the most votes. I better vote someone else who has a vote real quick!"

[MoB Deadly]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

Because you shot down my riddle from the start and didn't even give it a chance. And thats exactly what a member of the mafia would do.

[FoxMists]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

Because you shot down my riddle from the start and didn't even give it a chance. And thats exactly what a member of the mafia would do.

Your riddle, as it was initially explained, implied that *I* was mafia when I am not. Then you change the explanation to fit the fact that there ARE more than three VT (which was rather obvious). That screams scummy to me. We have little else to go on, frankly.

[MoB Deadly]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

Because you shot down my riddle from the start and didn't even give it a chance. And thats exactly what a member of the mafia would do.

Your riddle, as it was initially explained, implied that *I* was mafia when I am not. Then you change the explanation to fit the fact that there ARE more than three VT (which was rather obvious). That screams scummy to me. We have little else to go on, frankly.

You really think that if I was scum, I would make up a riddle stating there are ONLY 3 Vanilla townies in the whole game?????? Thats SO ridiculous, you have to give me more credit than that. Plus if THAT many players had information we could of compiled ALL of our info Day 1 and easily figured out who was scum and who's riddles were fake. And even then why make such a big game and only have 3 VT's? Why not just make everyone have a piece of info then?

No what I was trying to do, is give us some leads on who is town so we can start working on a case against someone that is probably not town. Based on my riddle, if it were true, I could clear 1 dead guy, 2 alive guys, and me, leaving us with 8 possible scum players.

But instead you would rather write it off as that I am part of the mafia because you are too lazy to work on it. If that is so, town loses due to laziness to hunt from scum.

[chapcrap]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

Because you shot down my riddle from the start and didn't even give it a chance. And thats exactly what a member of the mafia would do.

Your riddle, as it was initially explained, implied that *I* was mafia when I am not. Then you change the explanation to fit the fact that there ARE more than three VT (which was rather obvious). That screams scummy to me. We have little else to go on, frankly.

You really think that if I was scum, I would make up a riddle stating there are ONLY 3 Vanilla townies in the whole game?????? Thats SO ridiculous, you have to give me more credit than that. Plus if THAT many players had information we could of compiled ALL of our info Day 1 and easily figured out who was scum and who's riddles were fake. And even then why make such a big game and only have 3 VT's? Why not just make everyone have a piece of info then?

No what I was trying to do, is give us some leads on who is town so we can start working on a case against someone that is probably not town. Based on my riddle, if it were true, I could clear 1 dead guy, 2 alive guys, and me, leaving us with 8 possible scum players.

But instead you would rather write it off as that I am part of the mafia because you are too lazy to work on it. If that is so, town loses due to laziness to hunt from scum.

While I think that MoB's riddle was faulty and should have been better. However, it does appear that his logic is true in this last post.

I guess, I'll switch my vote to Fox. unvote vote Fox

[VioIet]

I will be extending the deadline. I know things are a bit slow now at this time of year. Also, I will be replacing a few people.

[FoxMists]

MOB, since Wild refuses to explain his vote on me, I suppose you won't either?

Because you shot down my riddle from the start and didn't even give it a chance. And thats exactly what a member of the mafia would do.

Your riddle, as it was initially explained, implied that *I* was mafia when I am not. Then you change the explanation to fit the fact that there ARE more than three VT (which was rather obvious). That screams scummy to me. We have little else to go on, frankly.

You really think that if I was scum, I would make up a riddle stating there are ONLY 3 Vanilla townies in the whole game?????? Thats SO ridiculous, you have to give me more credit than that. Plus if THAT many players had information we could of compiled ALL of our info Day 1 and easily figured out who was scum and who's riddles were fake. And even then why make such a big game and only have 3 VT's? Why not just make everyone have a piece of info then?

No what I was trying to do, is give us some leads on who is town so we can start working on a case against someone that is probably not town. Based on my riddle, if it were true, I could clear 1 dead guy, 2 alive guys, and me, leaving us with 8 possible scum players.

But instead you would rather write it off as that I am part of the mafia because you are too lazy to work on it. If that is so, town loses due to laziness to hunt from scum.

While I think that MoB's riddle was faulty and should have been better. However, it does appear that his logic is true in this last post.

I guess, I'll switch my vote to Fox. unvote vote Fox

Okay, okay, you have a valid point if you can actually clear SOME people. Then the riddle has some sort of validity. I still really dislike the way it was written and I think that your interpretation of it is just that: your interpretation. It is easy enough to claim that you didn't originally intend to state there are only 3 VT from the beginning. That someone misworded it. Or is that just your way of covering up a small bit of sloppiness (that any of us could have done)? The questions I have for you now are: If that does clear some people, and you realised this from the start, assuming you had this riddle the entire time, why did you not add your own interpretation to the poor wording originally? Why did you not list these people with the relevant means of getting them off the hook according to the riddle?

Maybe most of all, why wait until NOW for all of this? If you've had this the whole time, why were you sitting on it?

Or maybe the most pertinent question is: How do you justify saying the riddle clears you when you are in a clan? Did you add that last bit on about you being a VT and make it look like it was part of the riddle? The riddle contradicts itself otherwise and you've compromised it if you added anything. Not that I would trust anything you said about it at this point anyway.

You sat on this ALL GAME LONG and said nothing. You watched us flounder and struggle and all of us (me included) grow increasingly frustrated. Now you toss this at us and claim it just seemed like the right time. How many VTs could we have saved if you had released this sooner? Sorry, but your timing and potentially contradictory riddle are not going to make me trust you enough to remove my vote.

[MoB Deadly]

Okay, okay, you have a valid point if you can actually clear SOME people. Then the riddle has some sort of validity. I still really dislike the way it was written and I think that your interpretation of it is just that: your interpretation. It is easy enough to claim that you didn't originally intend to state there are only 3 VT from the beginning. That someone misworded it. Or is that just your way of covering up a small bit of sloppiness (that any of us could have done)?

Yes, when I read the riddle it seemed fine to me, I did not predict it would be misconstrued.

The questions I have for you now are: If that does clear some people, and you realised this from the start, assuming you had this riddle the entire time, why did you not add your own interpretation to the poor wording originally?

I did not have the riddle since the beginning, I made it. Again I thought it was fine, I didn't see any miswording at the time.

Why did you not list these people with the relevant means of getting them off the hook according to the riddle?

I don't quite understand this question, sorry.

Maybe most of all, why wait until NOW for all of this? If you've had this the whole time, why were you sitting on it?

Because
1) Other players were making riddles on potential scum, I thought those were more important than my riddle.
2) None of the players in my riddle were being pressured for lynch, so why reveal that information if the town has no suspicion of them at the time.
3) I was going to sit on it longer until they were pressured, but with Zimmah gone, this game has nearly stopped, I was hoping my riddle would either narrow down the list, or at least spur discussion.

Or maybe the most pertinent question is: How do you justify saying the riddle clears you when you are in a clan? Did you add that last bit on about you being a VT and make it look like it was part of the riddle? The riddle contradicts itself otherwise and you've compromised it if you added anything. Not that I would trust anything you said about it at this point anyway.

I have already covered this in the discussion with Trini, I am not going to go over this again. You are smart enough to figure it out.

You sat on this ALL GAME LONG and said nothing. You watched us flounder and struggle and all of us (me included) grow increasingly frustrated. Now you toss this at us and claim it just seemed like the right time. How many VTs could we have saved if you had released this sooner? Sorry, but your timing and potentially contradictory riddle are not going to make me trust you enough to remove my vote.

Wouldnt of saved any VT's because none of mine died via lynch, If I saw it coming I would have interjected no questions asked. MY TIMING? The game was pretty much stalled with no discussion or votes, SOMEONE had to do something and I don't know how many riddles would be provided. I felt like maybe it would help others get the list narrowed so the stool pigeon can help us out, or so that another player can sit on a more reliable riddle. Either way, this game needed someone to step up, so I decided to.

[wildwilliam]

this game is still going right?

[MoB Deadly]

yerp

[zimmah]

[wildwilliam]

wrong game.... lol

[chapcrap]

I thought that the deadline got here already...

[MoB Deadly]

I will be extending the deadline. I know things are a bit slow now at this time of year. Also, I will be replacing a few people.

on this page

[chapcrap]

I will be extending the deadline. I know things are a bit slow now at this time of year. Also, I will be replacing a few people.

on this page

Ahh, yes. Well, I forgot about that and didn't go re-look.

I'll wait for the replacements I guess.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Mob(4)- sens, dazza, trini, foxxie

Fox (3)- william, mob, chap,

With 12 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Replacements coming tomorrow.

No deadline as of now. I apologize for the delay.

[VioIet]

Eldario replaces Conzocool.


At least two more potential replacements coming. I'm just waiting for people to respond to my pm's.

[MoB Deadly]

My Riddle is no longer valid.

[Eldario]

Darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time... The stars wheeled overhead, and every day was as long as a life age of the earth... But it was not the end. I felt life in me again. I've been sent back.