Abuse of power

[nietzsche]

New postby king achilles on Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:14 pm
Obviously, the same mob lynch from the original thread chooses what they want to read and understand only. Anything that is against their own opinion is wrong and ignored. This thread is locked again and will be merged in the original one.

If Masli hasn't made any new games of the same nature since this report was made, then quit spamming the forums. If I see another new report of the same thing, you will get your well-deserved Christmas gift.

Try to enjoy the Holidays in a different way than this.

I find this disturbing.

It's to him (king achilles) not about justice and fairness, it's about a mob lynch that is threatening his friend Masli.

What this guy is doing is disrespectful. I could care less his contribution to the site, for I am a PAYING MEMBER. And I'm being disrespected.

What I added in the OP of the second thread is valid information, and I created a second thread because he locked the first one. I might be nagging and all, but I find members like John Deere and Goran Z (to name the 2 that come to my mind first) to have added interesting, valid and rational posts above all. But this bothered power abusing king achilles doesn't see it like that, he wants to enjoy his christmas and we are a pita to him. I couldn't care less, if he wants to take the day off go ahead and give it a serious thought.

What (most) mods want us to do is to shut up so this is forgotten a bit and whatever they decide about Masli is not met with critiscism.

We are being further limited from expressing our thoughts about the matter. I want our right to express about the matter in the right forum back.

If you do not know what I'm talking this is it: Masli, a multihunter, in the view of those who are reporting it, is clearly abusing his power to gain points. This is the thread: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=160346

I repeat: I DO NOT CARE if king achilles is the martir of given up time, of the volunteers, or if he lost a thumb for helping CC too much. I feel, as a PAYING MEMBER, that I'm being disrespected by the way he refers to us the reporters and the fact that he locks the threads.

[DiM]

you are becoming absurd. are you that desperate for attention?
you've made your opinion heard loud and clear and so did the angry mob. now let the mods take care of this internally, analyse masli's behaviour and give a verdict. when that verdict comes you can voice your opinion again, whether to praise their decision or boo it.
opening threads upon threads isn't doing any good. if you really feel disrespected and all that bull then open an eticket reporting king achilles of conspiring against the community and abusing his powers by helping masli escape his punishment.

[jgordon1111]

you played to play this game true as alot of us have,CC admin gave us a forum to talk to each other outside of game chat and a set of rules written and unwritten as guidelines for us to follow.What CC and admin did not do was give any of us the right to form a lynch mob or to question their choices on how to deal with internal or external affairs,you paid to play,now play and let it go please.Dude most of the time your posts make sense and you have good points but this is insane to keep beating this.Especially after what achilles said when he locked the last one. Wait and see what they do or dont do.and then go out and kill someone on your maps if you dont like the results.

[nietzsche]

if you really feel disrespected and all that bull then open an eticket reporting king achilles of conspiring against the community and abusing his powers by helping masli escape his punishment.

what's the point? kinig achilles handles e-tickets. you should've seen how he handled the one i recently opened after jefjef called me trash in my wall for showing my disklike about what Masli did.

[nietzsche]

you played to play this game true as alot of us have,CC admin gave us a forum to talk to each other outside of game chat and a set of rules written and unwritten as guidelines for us to follow.What CC and admin did not do was give any of us the right to form a lynch mob or to question their choices on how to deal with internal or external affairs,you paid to play,now play and let it go please.Dude most of the time your posts make sense and you have good points but this is insane to keep beating this.Especially after what achilles said when he locked the last one. Wait and see what they do or dont do.and then go out and kill someone on your maps if you dont like the results.

I understand I have to wait, but what I don't like is the way he handles stuff, this is what I do not like: (bold)

Obviously, the same mob lynch from the original thread chooses what they want to read and understand only. Anything that is against their own opinion is wrong and ignored. This thread is locked again and will be merged in the original one.

If Masli hasn't made any new games of the same nature since this report was made, then quit spamming the forums. If I see another new report of the same thing, you will get your well-deserved Christmas gift.

Try to enjoy the Holidays in a different way than this.

Also, I think at least John Deere and Goran Z made very rational arguments, very good ones, so I find this disrespectful:

chooses what they want to read and understand only. Anything that is against their own opinion is wrong and ignored

I don't care if my image is stupid, I won't let this go as easily as they want me to.

[owenshooter]

i really find the term "lynch mob" offensive and racist and i would hope that an admin would know not to use such terms and discourage others from it.

Violence in the United States against African Americans, especially in the South, rose in the aftermath of the Civil War, after slavery had been abolished and recently freed black men were given the right to vote. Violence rose even more at the end of the century, after southern white Democrats regained their political power in the South in the 1870s. States passed new constitutions or legislation which effectively disfranchised most blacks and many poor whites, established segregation of public facilities by race, and separated blacks from common public life and facilities. Nearly 3,500 African Americans were lynched in the United States between 1882 and 1968, mostly from 1882 to 1920.[1]

as far as masli, they want it to go away, period. this is huge and they are hoping it doesn't get bigger.. however, when he says he is looking into it, i believe him. but i do think they are trying to stop a very valid uprising within the forums over this insane new level of cheating and abuse of mod powers that this appears to be.-el Jesus negro

[King_Herpes]

Will you guys do me a quick favor and put on some smiles before you return?

Surely you won't carry on like this forever, let's take a pause to deescalate the situation so we can all share some well deserved 'topic deliberation'.

Clearly there's a sizable miscommunication here that is creating difficulty in tapping into the publics give a shit feeling. Causing more synopses to fire, re-load and then fire again for no apparent reason because nobody's being descriptive enough.

Tell us what's going on here and in the name of Pete are we going to see some effin links or more angry Merry Christmas threats from our administrators?

[owenshooter]

Tell us what's going on here and in the name of Pete are we going to see some effin links or more angry Merry Christmas threats from our administrators?

this is how things are conducted on CC now... if you question them, you are threatened with a ban, period... they control through intimidation and fear. i really miss Twill... the forums have been run into the ground and the disparity in which the rules are enforced and whom they are enforced upon is now beyond ridiculous. yes, team CC is mostly volunteers... but guess what, i pay for this site and i think i have a right to be heard here within the forums where we are allowed to voice our opinions. there is a reason people are upset about this latest form of mod abuse, and it isn't going to go away quietly. people supplied over 30 games in which his opposition was booted after the game started for being multis and he received free points. show me any non-mod member that has an equal number of victories through such means and i'll shut right the F up... you can't... he abused his powers period and he should be dealt with in a real manner, not a behind the scenes "don't do this anymore"... this is making team CC look like an absolute joke. made up forum violations are punished more harshly than actual CHEATING.-el Jesus negro

[jefjef]

if you really feel disrespected and all that bull then open an eticket reporting king achilles of conspiring against the community and abusing his powers by helping masli escape his punishment.

what's the point? kinig achilles handles e-tickets. you should've seen how he handled the one i recently opened after jefjef called me trash in my wall for showing my disklike about what Masli did.

lolol. You do realize that wall post wasn't:

A: Because of your dislike of what you believe Masli did. You specifically off topic trolled and baited me..
B: My wall post is not a rules violation... But your trolling sure is...
C: Here you are trolling some more.
D: Have a nice day...

BTW: The masli case is still being looked into... It's a safe bet that you realize that too.


This thread may now be locked.

[King_Herpes]

i really find the term "lynch mob" offensive and racist and i would hope that an admin would know not to use such terms and discourage others from it.

Violence in the United States against African Americans, especially in the South, rose in the aftermath of the Civil War, after slavery had been abolished and recently freed black men were given the right to vote. Violence rose even more at the end of the century, after southern white Democrats regained their political power in the South in the 1870s. States passed new constitutions or legislation which effectively disfranchised most blacks and many poor whites, established segregation of public facilities by race, and separated blacks from common public life and facilities. Nearly 3,500 African Americans were lynched in the United States between 1882 and 1968, mostly from 1882 to 1920.[1]

as far as masli, they want it to go away, period. this is huge and they are hoping it doesn't get bigger.. however, when he says he is looking into it, i believe him. but i do think they are trying to stop a very valid uprising within the forums over this insane new level of cheating and abuse of mod powers that this appears to be.-el Jesus negro

Cut the guy some cord at least he didn't post it in February owen, show some restraint with the race VISA. You've really been putting some frequent flyer miles on that pupp. You told me you were going to stop that after you won your flight to Rio De Janeiro.

I'm not sure how many of us would even feel comfortable with you in the same room in fear we'd say something ignorant and having you chew our asses
while lecturing out long history lessons equipped with dates and numbers with commas in them.

I swear, you're always on guard for that pointing a hair trigger. You don't even holster that cannon you just keep it cocked back with one in the chamber.

[Great-Ollie]

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting,** etc.

Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of:
Warning,
One Month Vacation,
Permanent Vacation.
**Note 1: Due to the nature of Illegal Point Collecting, your account may receive a Score Reset back to 1000 points if you are deemed to have benefited from illegal point gain.**

I must agree that this is getting really dumb now. It is right here for you mods to see, right in the rules, so make it happen. King Achilles must i send a 3rd E Ticket about why i was stripped a medal 2 months ago? You keep telling me you are looking into it and i get no reply back other then that. It had been 2 months man, give me e break. What else would you like us to do when we follow all proper procedures and don't even get the respect of an answer or an explanation back. WE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON INSTEAD OF THE SAME RUN AROUND ALL THE TIME. SOME FORM OF DECENT COMMUNICATION WOULD BE ALL IT TAKES, YOU CAN'T KEEP SCREWING AROUND FOREVER, YOU ARE RUINING THE SITE. SHOW SOME FORM OF LEADERSHIP HERE ADMIN AND GIVE THE PUBLIC SOME RESPECT AND WE WOULD GLADLY DO THE SAME.

By the way this is not going to just go away, far too many people pissed off now! Another thread just popped up! viewtopic.php?f=5&t=160494

[Night Strike]

Why do you all assume the issue is going to be resolved in about 2 hours over a holiday weekend? (Especially when that holiday is Christmas, the most celebrated holiday around the world.) This isn't a case where someone can immediately look at some data and see if someone has multiple accounts. Secret diplomacy cases take time to investigate, and so do allegations of moderator abuse. KA probably has to do such research as to which hunter actually made those busts, if the information needed for a bust was conclusive before the game, and probably wants a statement from Masli. And KA has many other tasks to handle at the same time, so bombarding him with new threads, etickets, etc. on this same matter aren't helping things.

I'd say if this matter isn't resolved by the end of the week, there might be grounds for complaints, but expecting it be solved immediately on a holiday weekend is what is feeding the calls of being a "lynch mob". Be patient.

[Jippd]

I don't think threads should be closed on the issue because public discussion is good. If we let Enron handle their issues internally with no public disclosure or transparency well..........

[Night Strike]

i really find the term "lynch mob" offensive and racist and i would hope that an admin would know not to use such terms and discourage others from it.

Violence in the United States against African Americans, especially in the South, rose in the aftermath of the Civil War, after slavery had been abolished and recently freed black men were given the right to vote. Violence rose even more at the end of the century, after southern white Democrats regained their political power in the South in the 1870s. States passed new constitutions or legislation which effectively disfranchised most blacks and many poor whites, established segregation of public facilities by race, and separated blacks from common public life and facilities. Nearly 3,500 African Americans were lynched in the United States between 1882 and 1968, mostly from 1882 to 1920.[1]

If you have that much against the term, you should probably go protest against the existence of the Mafia forum. Every single one of those games lynch someone when night falls.

[eddie2]

I don't think threads should be closed on the issue because public discussion is good. If we let Enron handle their issues internally with no public disclosure or transparency well..........

this one wont be locked as it is a discussion one. and plz all remember the blitz case that took 3 weeks to get a proper verdict. like i said in a previous post they cant just take the last 2 weeks into it they will have to check through all his games. to see if he changed how he played to abuse his mod powers. if any of you would look you would see he has not. should he give up a volentary job so he can play what he wants to.

[nietzsche]

Why do you all assume the issue is going to be resolved in about 2 hours over a holiday weekend? (Especially when that holiday is Christmas, the most celebrated holiday around the world.) This isn't a case where someone can immediately look at some data and see if someone has multiple accounts. Secret diplomacy cases take time to investigate, and so do allegations of moderator abuse. KA probably has to do such research as to which hunter actually made those busts, if the information needed for a bust was conclusive before the game, and probably wants a statement from Masli. And KA has many other tasks to handle at the same time, so bombarding him with new threads, etickets, etc. on this same matter aren't helping things.

I'd say if this matter isn't resolved by the end of the week, there might be grounds for complaints, but expecting it be solved immediately on a holiday weekend is what is feeding the calls of being a "lynch mob". Be patient.

Yes. I get that. I can understand king achilles is busy celebrating with family. Yet he is eager to lock the thread? How come?

I can be patient, just keep the lines of communication open, and don't take too much time, because it can be seen as a way of letting this cool down.

IMO 3 things have to happen, if the authority here is not to lose more credibility:

1. New rule for multi hunters: You do not get to report/bust players you are in games with. This is obvious, prevents this from happening again.

2. Masli gets his score reset, which is at this moment is no big deal because I heard he was planning on taking a break anyway.

3. He steps down as a multi hunter. This is the less important of the 3.

As to the way king achilles referred to me/us, believe me I will be able to sleep at night, but it has to be acknowledged that that is not they way to speak to members of CC.

I think we are past the folly of thinking this was only a coincidence.

I'd like to say it a third time, post like Ollie's, John Deere's and Goran Z's were rational and added relevant info to the discussion, there was no need to belittle them.

[nietzsche]

lolol. You do realize that wall post wasn't:

A: Because of your dislike of what you believe Masli did. You specifically off topic trolled and baited me..
B: My wall post is not a rules violation... But your trolling sure is...
C: Here you are trolling some more.
D: Have a nice day...

BTW: The masli case is still being looked into... It's a safe bet that you realize that too.


This thread may now be locked.

I don't go reporting posts or offenses. I did with yours because

A: I thought it was a trap because you deleted it, otherwise I would have answered you directly. By PM because you foed me right after you posted in my wall, classy.
B: I had heard you were a bit sensitive and reported users a lot.
C: I thought you deserved it because you did the same with JoshBoy, flamed him and foed him right away.

Anyway my report was rejected. Calm down. I acctually read one post in which you said you were against Masli doing what he did so we only disagree on the fact that this should be managed openly for respect to competitive players in the top 100 and for credibility of the mods.

On a side note, mods should understand our suspicion, we have no idea how things are dealt with behind scenes, and to be honest there has been history of mods abusing power.

[Army of GOD]

The funny thing is that this is getting swept to the side. Since none of us know what's going on in the mods forum, none of us will know how truthful the final verdict will be.

Obviously for team CC coming out with a "not guilty" verdict is desirable, so I'd be surprised to see anything but that.

[Qwert]

nietzsche, Mods have power here,and if they want,they can ban 1000 people,very fast,and very easy. Here not rule democraty, and if you dont like something, who maybe are wrong, then you only can move away from forums. I dont like how they brake rules in map foundry, but i dont have any instrument to change that so i just retire,and move away from map foundry, because these is only what i can do. I dont like Conquer Cup, but what can i do? Nothing. I can not remember,where are some moderator get punished , so dont expect some miracles here, and if you continue,then expect to be punished like owenshoter.

[owenshooter]

and if you continue,then expect to be punished like owenshoter.

*cough*... no matter how right you may be, no matter how much other people may agree with you, no matter what the outcome of this is, you must realize a few things. they make the rules and they routinely break the rules without any repercussions. admins can create rules to deal with you if you say things they do not like (please show me where anyone else has ever been banned for over using the "report post" button or for 6 posts in 16 hours or for reporting being called the N word), no matter what they are always right. it is easier to silence you than it is to admit any wrongdoing on their part or by one of their mods. don't forget how wicked ran around this place completely out of control and when my clan began to question her, we found our ENTIRE clan on a made up ban for having our own images in our sigs... this place is not a democracy. they make the rules. they break the rules. they do not respect the often VALID OPINIONS of paying members. the first thing they should have done was to suspend him as a mod or suspend his account pending the outcome of the investigation. period. just another CC scandal that they want to go away, but this is HUGE...-el Jesus negro

[BoganGod]

lolol. You do realize that wall post wasn't:

A: Because of your dislike of what you believe Masli did. You specifically off topic trolled and baited me..
B: My wall post is not a rules violation... But your trolling sure is...
C: Here you are trolling some more.
D: Have a nice day...

BTW: The masli case is still being looked into... It's a safe bet that you realize that too.


This thread may now be locked.

I don't go reporting posts or offenses. I did with yours because

A: I thought it was a trap because you deleted it, otherwise I would have answered you directly. By PM because you foed me right after you posted in my wall, classy.
B: I had heard you were a bit sensitive and reported users a lot.
C: I thought you deserved it because you did the same with JoshBoy, flamed him and foed him right away.

Anyway my report was rejected. Calm down. I acctually read one post in which you said you were against Masli doing what he did so we only disagree on the fact that this should be managed openly for respect to competitive players in the top 100 and for credibility of the mods.

On a side note, mods should understand our suspicion, we have no idea how things are dealt with behind scenes, and to be honest there has been history of mods abusing power.

You thought it was a trap? Me thinks people are playing politics rather than CC. I've had more than my fair share of issues and run ins with the "mods". Though I often disagree with rulings, I believe that most mods(and I include King A, and masli in the most mods), do the best they can to improve the site and insure that it runs as smoothly as possible. Pretty thankless task really isn't it? With every vocal user beating their special interest drum, and expecting mods to expect their authroatar(sorry trying to spell cartman english)! cause they are paying users. I pay to use the site, difference between myself and a lot of posters in this thread. I PAY TO PLAY. I pay because I want to play more than 4 games, and I enjoy speed games.

Hats off to masli, chemefreak, andy, clapper, and King A for all the hard work they put in. Me thinks that some of the most vocal folks pointing fingers would get accused of much worse, and with proof if they ever had the community spirit to donate time, effort and emotional resources to helping the fracas body that constitutes the CC community.

On a side note, nietzsche. Your well aware I'm sure of the disease your name sake died from.... From the way your posts have changed of late, am concerned that possibly your inadvertently emulating your hero. Might want to go to your local doctor for a simple blood test. Haven't taken the time to compliment you on your choice of username. The Twilight of the Idols and The Anti-Christ, being one of my favourite texts. Sticks it to christianity quite nicely.

[jefjef]

A: I thought it was a trap because you deleted it, otherwise I would have answered you directly. By PM because you foed me right after you posted in my wall, classy.

A trap? I don't need to - people trap themselves... I often say goodbye like that. Classy - about as classy as your trolling isn't it?...

B: I had heard you were a bit sensitive and reported users a lot.

Sensitive? LMAO. I openly speak my mind and call things as I see them. Peeps take it upon themselves to think that it is I that run around reporting posts and getting them in trouble. It is almost 100% always not me reporting and it is themselves getting themselves in trouble. But hey - it's easy to blame me.

C: I thought you deserved it because you did the same with JoshBoy, flamed him and foed him right away.

What flame? Where's the proof? Where's the screen shot? You trolling me? You all making shit up? He trolled me. He got foed. He got a wall post. It got deleted. Where have I heard that before?

[BoganGod]

jefjef, would you take your own advice on feeding trolls for once. Seriously one could misconstrue your constant need for self justification as having something to hide/justify....

[nebsmith]

Ok. I am finally moved to comment on all the recent mod bashing going on in multiple threads.
It is not the bashing of the mods that really bothers me, after all people are entitled to their opinions.
It is the constant invoking of the "CC community" and how they feel that annoys me.

Do those who say how the community as a whole feels about the mods have any actual evidence for this unanimity of feeling. I know I have no problem with how the situation with masili is being handled and am quite happy to wait for the outcome. So I am neither frustrated nor untrusting of the mods.

It seems that all these threads have the same dozen or so people arguing back and forth and achieving very little except to annoy each other.

I suppose it is those doing the bashing that are pissing me off as they seem to be the ones who are saying how the whole community feels - It agrees with them it seems. Well I am part of this community and I don't agree with them.
Out of the thousands of people who come here to play risk, I have no idea how many are following any of this, but very few have been moved to comment one way or the other.

So this is a request to stop telling us what everyone thinks or feels.

[Metsfanmax]

1. New rule for multi hunters: You do not get to report/bust players you are in games with. This is obvious, prevents this from happening again.

Really now? You'd rather allow known multis to run unchecked on the site because they happen to be in a game with a multi hunter? What if the game lasts weeks or months? I really think that people are not considering the larger scale implications of this discussion. What is "obvious" is that if you are a multi hunter and find a multi, you ban them. Immediately. Anything else is a gross dereliction of duty, and harms the site as a whole, since they can be using their multiple accounts to steal points from other players.