Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[zimmah]

N1 Conzo and BG
N2 edoc and BG
N3 saf and BG
N4 MoB and drunk

My original plan was to protect the claimed but there was about 4 claims in 2 days. So I started busdriving the last 2 to claim.

not trying to direct you or anything but it might be a good idea to just swap 2 random people tonight, mafia might actually target the bulletproof now and hope you busdrive him so they get a kill because they actually targeted the bulletproof and you swapped them. just my 2 cents.

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[zimmah]

EBWOP: I just re-read and realized that quote from MoB was likely referring to zimmah, and not blake. It doesn't change my view on the case.

i remember that post (or at least the bold part) and i believe it was reffering to me. however, you made a good point, and i believe he was high on my list of suspects as well. (after pretty much anyone else i was looking at is likely town).

i'm not even sure of your alignement drunk even if this case ends up going well, but for now i'll just think of you as a VT, as i have no reason to believe otherwise. and it would be the most awesome distancing EVER if both you and blake turn out to be scum. (it would be hella funny tho).

either way, i'm going to go with drunk, i don't think it really hurts to pressure him a little and see what happens.

vote blakebowling

[spiesr]

Okay, first thing Jonty, since you have been forced to claim basically, would you mind giving us your character name while you are at it?
Zimmah, you need to slow down a bit and think things through a little more carefully. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, many of which don't actually subscribe to logical conclusions based on what info we have. If you slow down and try to think through these a little more before you post them you might be able to see the leaps in reasoning yourself and then come to better conclusions.
I will now throw my down a Vote Blake. He has been so inactive that I haven't really been able to get a read on him, and I can't really back up this vote with any posts that he has made. However, based on all the information I have gathered to this point, my charts are indicating at least a 50% chance that he is the mafia roleblocker. On a related note, did anyone get blocked last night? Since apparently in this game you are informed of when you are blocked no matter what role you have, I think it is safe and won't reveal anything bad if everyone comes out and tells us when they where blocked throughout the game. It should help me put this puzzle together.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I don't think blake's inactivity can be excused any longer. Here's a breakdown of his posts:

D1 - Sept 30 (confirm)
D1 - Oct 2 (jokevote)
D2 - Oct 17-20 (15 posts)
D2 - Oct 24 ("Who's soundman?")
D2 - Oct 27 (apology for inactivity)
D3 - Oct 31 (apology for inactivity, "I'm not scum")
D3 - Nov 1 (nothing of value)
D3 - Nov 3 (apology for inactivity, 6th vote on edocsil)
Nov 4-14, no posts

The only time he was active was D2, after BG & zimmah tried to build a case on him. It should be noted he was very active during this time, especially in contrast to his overall play. His posts consisted mainly of an OMGUS votes on BG and zimmah, which he tried to turn into real cases. When the BG case doesn't gain steam, he switches to zimmah. After zimmah's claim, he unvotes, and switches back to the BG case. He then ends his day with no vote and effectively disappears, with the pressure gone from him.

Very well put. I don't normally chase inactives as leads, but this is proven scumarining
vote blake
That should put him at L-2, if my count's correct

[jonty125]

Okay, first thing Jonty, since you have been forced to claim basically, would you mind giving us your character name while you are at it?
Zimmah, you need to slow down a bit and think things through a little more carefully. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, many of which don't actually subscribe to logical conclusions based on what info we have. If you slow down and try to think through these a little more before you post them you might be able to see the leaps in reasoning yourself and then come to better conclusions.
I will now throw my down a Vote Blake. He has been so inactive that I haven't really been able to get a read on him, and I can't really back up this vote with any posts that he has made. However, based on all the information I have gathered to this point, my charts are indicating at least a 50% chance that he is the mafia roleblocker. On a related note, did anyone get blocked last night? Since apparently in this game you are informed of when you are blocked no matter what role you have, I think it is safe and won't reveal anything bad if everyone comes out and tells us when they where blocked throughout the game. It should help me put this puzzle together.

Sorry I would have in my other post but I've deleted my role PM

Blake case is at L-3 I think. So I'll let him pop up, explain his inactivity, claim, and then consider lynching him

[BGtheBrain]

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[jonty125]

We need to wait for a claim first

[zimmah]

We need to wait for a claim first

he'd likely just claim town roleblocker.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Mr. Squirrel]

We need to wait for a claim first

he'd likely just claim town roleblocker.

And if he is a town roleblocker?

[BGtheBrain]

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[drunkmonkey]

We need to wait for a claim first

he'd likely just claim town roleblocker.

And if he is a town roleblocker?

Well, I would think he'd need to disclose his night actions along with his claim. And if someone counter-claims, they'd need to do the same. It seems likely someone would slip up if they're lying.

Also, now that spiesr has hinted at having valuable information for the town, it would probably be useful to share at least some of it.

[drunkmonkey]

N1 Conzo and BG
N2 edoc and BG
N3 saf and BG
N4 MoB and drunk

My original plan was to protect the claimed but there was about 4 claims in 2 days. So I started busdriving the last 2 to claim.

Just to note: if jonty & BG are both telling the truth, this would mean edoc was roleblocked N2, and safari roleblocked N3, and it was redirected to BG by chance twice.

[safariguy5]

Judging from the list, I get the idea that drunk is not mafia. If jonty is telling the truth and he did busdrive Mob and drunk, then the mafia kill was originally on drunk. Which means he was probably not mafia.

I'm going to agree with spiesr and others zimmah and say you need to slow down. Pressuring random people who are still not claimed without evidence doesn't really help very much. Unless you're advocating a massclaim (and I don't believe its time to do that yet) there's no reason to start trying to pressure people to claim just because they haven't done so yet. Most of the claims up to this point have come either from lynch pressure or to reveal information.

Incidentally, I protected zimmah last night.

Also, i notice that Mr. Squirrel is more or less confirming that BG is who he says he is. One-shot bulletproof is potentially one of those mafia godfather perks, so it's a possible slip, but we cannot Meta or WIFOM anything related to that right now.

I suppose pressuring an inactive is a possibility, but I will say that blake has been very active in the mafia game Sully is running for the mods, so it's possible a prod will make him show up. I'll wait to vote him until I see a VC, but it's a good possibility he may well be the mafia roleblocker.

[spiesr]

We need to wait for a claim first

Indeed, as Jonty says, we really need to wait for Blake to have a chance to defend himself and whatnot before someone goes and drops the hammer. As it stands, I have a strong suspicion that blake is scum, but there is a chance that we could be wrong. If we are wrong, blake will presumably provide a role claim and some information about what actions (if any) he has made as part of his defense. There is a chance that such a claim will prove compelling enough that we will have to reconsider this lynch. Even if we end up just lynching him anyway, if we turn out to be wrong we will then at least have whatever information blake provides to work with. This would certainly be better than lynching him before he gets a chance to provide any it.

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain
blakebowling (5)-Drunkmonkey, zimmah, spiesr, mr. Squirrel, bgthebrain
Zimmah
Mr. Squirrel
Jonty
drunkmonkey
newguy
spiesr
mob deadly
pancakemix
drake 259
safariguy
No lynch

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Blakebowling is at L-1. I will prod him and if anyone needs a new copy of their role pm please pm me.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Mr. Squirrel]

unvote just in case

[zimmah]

Judging from the list, I get the idea that drunk is not mafia. If jonty is telling the truth and he did busdrive Mob and drunk, then the mafia kill was originally on drunk. Which means he was probably not mafia.

I'm going to agree with spiesr and others zimmah and say you need to slow down. Pressuring random people who are still not claimed without evidence doesn't really help very much. Unless you're advocating a massclaim (and I don't believe its time to do that yet) there's no reason to start trying to pressure people to claim just because they haven't done so yet. Most of the claims up to this point have come either from lynch pressure or to reveal information.

Incidentally, I protected zimmah last night.

Also, i notice that Mr. Squirrel is more or less confirming that BG is who he says he is. One-shot bulletproof is potentially one of those mafia godfather perks, so it's a possible slip, but we cannot Meta or WIFOM anything related to that right now.

I suppose pressuring an inactive is a possibility, but I will say that blake has been very active in the mafia game Sully is running for the mods, so it's possible a prod will make him show up. I'll wait to vote him until I see a VC, but it's a good possibility he may well be the mafia roleblocker.

thanks for the hints on how i can improve my game, because i still consider myself qute new at this, even tho i played a few games allready. i'm doing what i can and i'm still trying to learn, so ye, basicly experiementing with different approaches.

[blakebowling]

Wow. I thought I was already killed in this game, so I hadn't been checking it. Thanks for the prod strike.

From what I've read through, it appears it's time for me to claim.

I'm Mufasa - Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected Sully, Night 2 I protected BG. And last night I didn't target anyone because I thought I was dead.

[new guy1]

wow... thats not the answer i was expecting but it would explain why you havent been posting much.

[drunkmonkey]

Wow. I thought I was already killed in this game, so I hadn't been checking it. Thanks for the prod strike.

From what I've read through, it appears it's time for me to claim.

I'm Mufasa - Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected Sully, Night 2 I protected BG. And last night I didn't target anyone because I thought I was dead.

You mean the last two nights. Why would you think you were dead?

I really don't like it, but unvote for now. Is there anyone else who might not be paying attention, or are we all here now?

[BGtheBrain]

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[blakebowling]

Wow. I thought I was already killed in this game, so I hadn't been checking it. Thanks for the prod strike.

From what I've read through, it appears it's time for me to claim.

I'm Mufasa - Town Doctor.

Night 1 I protected Sully, Night 2 I protected BG. And last night I didn't target anyone because I thought I was dead.

You mean the last two nights. Why would you think you were dead?

I really don't like it, but unvote for now. Is there anyone else who might not be paying attention, or are we all here now?

Yes, the last two nights.

And I suppose I confused this with another game, as I said I haven't had much time lately, and my sleep deprivation must have interfered on this one.

I will try to stay active though.

[safariguy5]

I'm actually going to buy this claim. The reason being that we already have a Town Watcher and Cop dead and a claimed tracker. Dead Jailkeeper and Claimed Bodyguard and Doctor makes sense from a balance perspective, you'd expect the protective and investigative roles to be about equal.