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Agent 86 wrote:Sorry don't see it this way..why ?? Are you being bullied sarge, I hate Bully's let me at them![]()
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HighlanderAttack wrote:It is not about being beat.
It is about bad play in multi player games in my opinion
I may be off topic to this particular subject
I don't care what rank someone is but if they play bad and is screws a game up I will let them know it
Most players to not understand the concept of the cards in an esc multi player game--the cards will ultimately determine the game.
The big problem is when bad players see an early opportunity and think it will propel them in the game--all they really do is ruin the game weather it be by weakening themselves or by weakening someone else.
If they ever learned how to play a real esc game, not only would they be a better player but they would probably enjoy the game more.
Symmetry wrote:(multi-abuse and secret diplomacy are common allegations even when a single player is being named- there's no punishment for false accusations, after all- you can always say you misunderstood the form)
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Serbia wrote:Symmetry wrote:(multi-abuse and secret diplomacy are common allegations even when a single player is being named- there's no punishment for false accusations, after all- you can always say you misunderstood the form)
This is what I have a problem with. People can just throw accusations out, say "it's a hunch", or "they're playing too fast" or "I'm a farmer, and this n00b beat me on my map, they MUST be a rat-multi-bastard farmer! (oops not farmer, that's ME! LOL)", and while sometimes they do get lucky and catch someone, when it turns out to be a bogus accusation, there is no harm done to the accuser. I'd like to see that revamped, especially when some people have been known to make a habit of such complaints.
(it's been a while since I've hung out in C&A, so maybe this isn't as widespread as it seemed to be in the past, in which case, uh, nevermind, LOOK OVER THERE)
Symmetry wrote:Ok- I've been looking at a few of the threads in the C&A forums recently, and there's been a lot of high ranking players complaining about low ranking players beating them. Or ruining their plans.
Almost always this is preceded by a lot of stuff in chat where the higher ranking player threatens the lower ranking player with punishment, and almost always the higher ranking player throws every accusation in the book at the lower ranking player (multi-abuse and secret diplomacy are common allegations even when a single player is being named- there's no punishment for false accusations, after all- you can always say you misunderstood the form).
The strange thing that I noticed, however, is that most of the players who do this have a history of bullying and abusive behaviour when they feel that they're entitled to a win and a lower ranked player has denied them.
If I was a more cynical man than I am, I might conclude that a lot of the cases that end up in C&A are from bullies who have someone stand up to them, instead of fold and change their tactics to what the bully finds acceptable.
This isn't intended to be a complete set of thoughts, but just an initial set of observations. How do you see it?
drunkmonkey wrote:I honestly wonder why anyone becomes a mod on this site. You're the whiniest bunch of players imaginable.
Ron Burgundy wrote:Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?
PLAYER57832 wrote:To end this, CC needs to pay a bit more attention to plain sportsmanship and less attention to making the rankings "fair". That might seem counter-intuitive, but it is my belief that when you have such a wide range of maps, playing types and people, its just impossible to make a truly fair and objective ranking of who wins. What we CAN have is a comparitive, fun, "guess who is on top for now" ranking. That will, of ocurse, measure skill. I am not suggesting that cooks and conquerers are "equal" in skill, but I am saying that the difference between a brigadeer and major or even, sometimes, sergeant, etc. has to do with which maps a person has played, the recent luck they have had and so forth, rather than straight "skill". Only if you are assessing people playing the exact same maps with all the same settings can you assess skill, and even then, only when enough games are played to take out the luck factor (at least 30, maybe more).
Evil Semp wrote:Serbia wrote:Symmetry wrote:(multi-abuse and secret diplomacy are common allegations even when a single player is being named- there's no punishment for false accusations, after all- you can always say you misunderstood the form)
This is what I have a problem with. People can just throw accusations out, say "it's a hunch", or "they're playing too fast" or "I'm a farmer, and this n00b beat me on my map, they MUST be a rat-multi-bastard farmer! (oops not farmer, that's ME! LOL)", and while sometimes they do get lucky and catch someone, when it turns out to be a bogus accusation, there is no harm done to the accuser. I'd like to see that revamped, especially when some people have been known to make a habit of such complaints.
(it's been a while since I've hung out in C&A, so maybe this isn't as widespread as it seemed to be in the past, in which case, uh, nevermind, LOOK OVER THERE)
Serbia I don't think it is as big a problem as you remember it. I know if someone is constantly making accusations that are not true I have warned them.
especially when there is no penalty for making a completely false accusation.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
jefjef wrote:especially when there is no penalty for making a completely false accusation.
This is not an accurate assessment/observation. There are and have been penalties for spurious/vindictive/joke complaints as I'm sure you realize... So it begs the question: Are you trolling?
Gillipig wrote:Put the top 512 players on the scoreboard in a 1v1 tournament. Make every round 50 games and use random map. The winner will be the closest to the best player on CC that there will ever be. Not that many among the top 512 would join such a tournament.....
At least not many on the first page.
QoH wrote:Gillipig wrote:Put the top 512 players on the scoreboard in a 1v1 tournament. Make every round 50 games and use random map. The winner will be the closest to the best player on CC that there will ever be. Not that many among the top 512 would join such a tournament.....
At least not many on the first page.
Erm not exactly...
Every thought of all the high rankers who get up there by playing team games? Grated, there are quite a few players who are skilled all around, but there is still a decent number who get up there by farming/playing team games they are assured to win.
Gillipig wrote:QoH wrote:Gillipig wrote:Put the top 512 players on the scoreboard in a 1v1 tournament. Make every round 50 games and use random map. The winner will be the closest to the best player on CC that there will ever be. Not that many among the top 512 would join such a tournament.....
At least not many on the first page.
Erm not exactly...
Every thought of all the high rankers who get up there by playing team games? Grated, there are quite a few players who are skilled all around, but there is still a decent number who get up there by farming/playing team games they are assured to win.
There's no real way to have more than 3000 points without doing something to manipulate the points in your favor. Be it by farming newbies, low ranks, playing with low ranks in team games, playing against low ranks in team games. Playing speed freestyle on difficult maps or only playing on 1 map etc. No one is just so good that they own anyone on anything at anytime. Random 1v1 with normal settings pretty much remove all the different ways of manipulating your rank. Anyone who comes out on top of that tournament is as good of a cc player as you'll ever find. The only thing that could be done to make it even better is to include more players, but the format is indeed a terrific one to determine the best cc player!
rockfist wrote:I'd join a tournament with the 512 "best players", but I hardly think the winner would be the best player.
One game of 1v1 versus one other player to determine who is better - way too much luck involved in that...You'd have to go best out of 5 or best out of 7 to have any real chance of "knowing" who was better, but its entirely possible that someone could go first in all five games - so no I don't think we could say who is better.
Like almost everyone else on this site I have a favorite map; there are two or three players that I would say are better than me at it. I would also say there odds of beating me on that map are not good if I go first. In larger maps or maps where you start with a number of territories evenly divisible by three its a huge advantage to go first.
The concept of a "best player" is an interesting one, what settings determine it? All settings? Its possible that someone could be the best all around, but not the best under any one setting...
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