South Park Mafia [Scum Win]

by **kratos644** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:15 am

Commander9 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Ah ok I misunstood. I thought you were using a "well I didn't do this action so obviously I didn't do this action" defense but rather you were falling more back on "this is my ability. Not that."

Well... If I would just say I didn't use an ability without any confirmation, that would not be a good defence - no way to check it. This way we will indeed learn something:

A) we will either know that I am Chef as the boys can confirm I didn't contact them and it is actually me giving the soup (if there's no sick today)

OR

B) Someone will be sick, boys will confirm that I am Chef and I didn't contact them and it is not me who's giving the soup.

FoS Kratos for trying to twist my role and pin the soup on me.

Why are you FoSing me Com? Go ahead and have a reread it's evil that tried to pin the soup on you. I said I wasn't convinced you were doing it and said it didn't really fit a role for chef

by **strike wolf** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:33 am

@commander: I'm not arguing that (even though I don't think you should try using that logic on a mod's first game, he could be crazier than chu/sully with roles) I just don't think it's good logic to use to say I didn't use this action so obviously I didn't use that would mean I didn't use that action if I had it that only applies if you had been role blocked or the actions were directly connected and I will discourage someone trying to use the logic you were. I also think you are smart enough to realize it shouldn't work so that logic is very misleading. fos commander

So otther than that we've got a round about innocent result (please explain what you mean by round about tails) on kratos and 40k says lala is Saddam Hussein

this seems fairly standard vote lala territor however the kratos issue is a little more vague at least until tails explains better.

Also it would appear that everyone living has posted with no one claiming to be affected by soup. Not really sure what this would mean.

by **40kguy** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:43 am

kratos644 wrote:
There is also the issue of Tail. When is the last time that we heard anything at all from him? Now I'm weary to go after him based on this alone because I was really busy and inactive as a result but was a power role although we've also had most of our power roles exposed already so maybe it would be alright to pressure him.

I told you, he is a cop.

by **kratos644** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:41 pm

40kguy wrote:
kratos644 wrote:
There is also the issue of Tail. When is the last time that we heard anything at all from him? Now I'm weary to go after him based on this alone because I was really busy and inactive as a result but was a power role although we've also had most of our power roles exposed already so maybe it would be alright to pressure him.

I told you, he is a cop.

Yes you're right 40k it had slipped my mind and he did an investigation on me it would appear so it's clear that we have confirmed that.

by **lalaland** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:43 pm

I'm Principal Victoria, any bus driving / role swapping things happen last night that may have caused interference on the result of 40k?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:09 pm

lalaland wrote:Tail, can you elaborate on what you mean by "roundabout innocent"?

Ok, so I don't get a straightforward SCUM or INNOCENT result. I get a short one-liner description. For example, it said kratos should be on the police force himself.

-Tails

by **strike wolf** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:05 pm

From that it sounds like you're more of a barkeep/tender than a full-fledged cop. Hope you didn't copy that directly. If this is the case can you paraphrase what line you got when you investigated 40k?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:32 pm

Please. I ain't no n00b. I didn't copy it directly. For 40k I received something along the lines of "he's scummy" and my impeccable judgement should have noticed.

-Tails

by / on Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:14 pm

Commander9 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Than I stick by my original comment. Just because you chose not to use one action wouldn't mean you didn't choose to do another. It is flawed logic.

Commander9 wrote:
Well, a question to you then: do you think that there could be a poisoner with an extremely strong fake claim that would have an ability to tell anything to the boys? Furthermore, mod would even tell them that it was from Chef, basically confirming the role.

I would say it's possible if the scum is significantly underwhelming, like say a SK or a two person mafia... However, the fact that no one is sick today, one of the possibilities you mentioned, really cinches it for me, it is strongly likely you are responsible for the soup. This doesn't necessarily mean you are scum though, it could be an involuntary mechanic.
The thing is though, the most common number of scum for a 12 player game is 3, there are nine of us left, if we mislynch today, scum will probably kill again and if scum are the ones responsible for the soup, it will result in 3 to 3 in the day, an instant game over. However, like I said, I have a foolproof plan to solve everything, look on page 38, if we go through with it it will solve any mystery of the roles, not only that, but if lala is indeed the killer scum we've been looking for, making her go through with this will in fact stop tonight's scumkill, there is no significant risk at this point since a 4 person mafia is unheard of in a game this size. During this time we can have stan check you out, which would completely put to rest any doubts we have, I suggest you use your ability too so a tracker can make sure you are not targeting anyone.

We must just decide and confirm exactly who we want to target and the game is in the bag.

Vote no lynch.

by **Talapus** on Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:14 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
lalaland wrote:Tail, can you elaborate on what you mean by "roundabout innocent"?

Ok, so I don't get a straightforward SCUM or INNOCENT result. I get a short one-liner description. For example, it said kratos should be on the police force himself.

-Tails

A clue like that though is rather vague for Southpark. Cartman was dog the bounty hunter, or it could mean the crazy hunting uncle and his friend who are always walking around with shot guns. It just leaves a lot open to interpretation. For now, I think ? is onto something though.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:06 pm

f*ck it. That last post by / seemed like he was trying to cover for lala and this game is stalling.

vote lala. At this point I'm inclined to believe 40k's results rather than mine. We should look into / tonight.

-Tails

by **evilchaos** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:13 pm

Unvote (if necessary) vote lala

40k's investigation seems legit. I'm already convinced that he's town, so I don't think that he's trying to be misleading.

We should look at / soon because of his vote. How can we vote no lynch when we haven't yet lynched a single scum? We're getting closer and closer to losing and you want us not to lynch a very viable suspect? I don't buy that BS.

by **strike wolf** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:32 pm

Wow I completely forgot about this game. :oops:

have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

by **Talapus** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:44 pm

strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

by **strike wolf** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:11 pm

Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

And unless that's a soft claim 3rd party I don't think role playing should be an excuse for not making cases.

by **Talapus** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:15 pm

strike wolf wrote:
Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

And unless that's a soft claim 3rd party I don't think role playing should be an excuse for not making cases.

It's not an excuse, it's true. So says the PM. For now, I'm an ordinary little boy who pretty much likes and gets along with everyone. So whether you like it or not, that's what I'm doing.

by **40kguy** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:02 pm

Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

And unless that's a soft claim 3rd party I don't think role playing should be an excuse for not making cases.

It's not an excuse, it's true. So says the PM. For now, I'm an ordinary little boy who pretty much likes and gets along with everyone. So whether you like it or not, that's what I'm doing.

your grounded!

by **strike wolf** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:10 pm

Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

And unless that's a soft claim 3rd party I don't think role playing should be an excuse for not making cases.

It's not an excuse, it's true. So says the PM. For now, I'm an ordinary little boy who pretty much likes and gets along with everyone. So whether you like it or not, that's what I'm doing.

I may be a bit dense today but I'm still not getting it. Are you saying you don't care which side wins?

by **Commander9** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:31 pm

Finally you got this moving. My vote also stays on Lala. Time to end and hammer this.

by **Talapus** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:42 pm

strike wolf wrote:
Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Talapus wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Wow I completely forgot about this game. have to agree with the suspicion of / he keeps bringing up this no lynch to test lala and kratos's claims but won't specify who should be the test subject. It just seems like he's trying to deter an obvious lynch. Other than that, Lala is the obvious lynch and there is no reason to change that but I would also be wary of Tal as looking through he seems to be getting less and less decisive about actions that should happen as the game goes on.

LOL, I'm Butters dude, I lik everyone. I'm not very opinionated.

And unless that's a soft claim 3rd party I don't think role playing should be an excuse for not making cases.

It's not an excuse, it's true. So says the PM. For now, I'm an ordinary little boy who pretty much likes and gets along with everyone. So whether you like it or not, that's what I'm doing.

I may be a bit dense today but I'm still not getting it. Are you saying you don't care which side wins?

Of course I care as a member of CC. But as Butters in this I'm not suppossed to yet. Thought that that was fairly obvious from my posts. All the "Gee, come on fellas, let's try to get along." Nothing too argumentative is coming from me yet because of it.

by **evilchaos** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:51 pm

I think what Tal is saying is that he has a PR of not making cases or being neutral in general.

Quote this if it is true Tal, just to 100% verify and prevent any confusion. I think it's obvious, but others don't apparently.

by **Talapus** on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:16 am

evilchaos wrote:I think what Tal is saying is that he has a PR of not making cases or being neutral in general.

Quote this if it is true Tal, just to 100% verify and prevent any confusion. I think it's obvious, but others don't apparently.

We have a winner. When I talked like him earlier that was just for flavor. But I'll be honest, the wholesomness of Butters and talking like him grated on my nerves so I finally stopped. However, the rest of what I was doing was according to the PM. I just want everyone to get along...lol. Still think the soup needs to be stopped though and that it's fairly major.

by / on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:48 am

Hm, I am serious though, even with a likely mafia, it is the most efficient way to confirm the doc, freeing up the cops to spread out their investigations, I do not mind being the target for the kill, nor do I mind being investigated. Seriously one more night and I can guarantee a town win...

by / on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:57 am

In fact, to prove how sure I am about this plan, I concretely volunteer myself to be the test subject. Please use common sense on this, we already have plenty of cleared townies and only a few variables left, I can guarantee a 100% chance of win if you let me go through with this. if I were scum I would have no reason to put myself out there at this point in the game, like you all say we haven't lynched one yet.

Lala will target me, as will kratos, this will be confirmed by our watcher. If this fails you will only lose me, but you will gain one or two confirmed scum, and a confirmed watcher.
Comm will be tracked and will use his action, this will either confirm him as scum and confirm our tracker, or confirm two townies.
From the remaining players we can easily deduce who is the final scum with pinpoint accuracy and zero doubt.

by **strike wolf** on Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:34 pm

I can kind of understand your argument / but it sounds highly dependent on there actually being a watcher.

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