negative bonus

by **theBastard** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:40 pm

if there is any negative bonus (-1) is this valid for standard 3 units which have each player from start?

by **rdsrds2120** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:22 pm

It will reduce it from 3, if there is a negative bonus.

-rd

by **Lubawski** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:25 pm

theBastard wrote:if there is any negative bonus (-1) is this valid for standard 3 units which have each player from start?

The only map I think that is for is USApocalypse. You can go down to a 2 deploy. There may be another map out there I haven't noticed that on though.

by **QoH** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:57 pm

Lubawski wrote:
theBastard wrote:if there is any negative bonus (-1) is this valid for standard 3 units which have each player from start?

The only map I think that is for is USApocalypse. You can go down to a 2 deploy. There may be another map out there I haven't noticed that on though.

I think on the Poker Card game map that is the same... but not negative bonuses

by **greenoaks** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:39 pm

there is a negative in Supermax: Prison Riot! that can reduce your deployed troops each round to ZERO

by **Joodoo** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:10 am

greenoaks wrote:there is a negative in Supermax: Prison Riot! that can reduce your deployed troops each round to ZERO

Same for Conquer Man.

by **theBastard** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:28 am

thanks guys. great news for me

by **sniffie** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:07 am

also on the map Solar System, if you hold 2 jumpgates you recieve 2 armies.
How can you get zero armies on prison riot?

by **multiplayertim** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:25 am

if you had less than 18 territories and the gas room without the warden which gives -5 troops

by **sniffie** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:45 am

thanx

by **SirSebstar** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:01 pm

Lubawski wrote:
theBastard wrote:if there is any negative bonus (-1) is this valid for standard 3 units which have each player from start?

The only map I think that is for is USApocalypse. You can go down to a 2 deploy. There may be another map out there I haven't noticed that on though.

Iraq springs to mind

by **ljex** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:36 am

also on cricket

by **dwilhelmi** on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:32 am

Something that kinda of surprised me while playing Supermax - the negative bonus does not impact bonus from cards. I had an opponent that had the -5 from the gas chamber without warden, and was only due 3, so net total was -2. He also happened to have a red set at this time, which he cashed, and he was able to deploy all 4 from the set. I would have thought that he would have only been able to deploy 2, as -5+3+4 = 2. Didn't make any difference in this case, but just mildly surprising.

by **SirSebstar** on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:59 pm

dwilhelmi wrote:Something that kinda of surprised me while playing Supermax - the negative bonus does not impact bonus from cards. I had an opponent that had the -5 from the gas chamber without warden, and was only due 3, so net total was -2. He also happened to have a red set at this time, which he cashed, and he was able to deploy all 4 from the set. I would have thought that he would have only been able to deploy 2, as -5+3+4 = 2. Didn't make any difference in this case, but just mildly surprising.

got a game number?

by **MrBenn** on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:05 pm

SirSebstar wrote:
dwilhelmi wrote:Something that kinda of surprised me while playing Supermax - the negative bonus does not impact bonus from cards. I had an opponent that had the -5 from the gas chamber without warden, and was only due 3, so net total was -2. He also happened to have a red set at this time, which he cashed, and he was able to deploy all 4 from the set. I would have thought that he would have only been able to deploy 2, as -5+3+4 = 2. Didn't make any difference in this case, but just mildly surprising.

got a game number?

You can not have a negative deployment (because the game engine would crash!).

The extra armies you receive from cashing cards/spoils are calculated after any bonus from the beginning of your turn.

by **dwilhelmi** on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:57 pm

MrBenn wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:
dwilhelmi wrote:Something that kinda of surprised me while playing Supermax - the negative bonus does not impact bonus from cards. I had an opponent that had the -5 from the gas chamber without warden, and was only due 3, so net total was -2. He also happened to have a red set at this time, which he cashed, and he was able to deploy all 4 from the set. I would have thought that he would have only been able to deploy 2, as -5+3+4 = 2. Didn't make any difference in this case, but just mildly surprising.

got a game number?

You can not have a negative deployment (because the game engine would crash!). - this I knew

The extra armies you receive from cashing cards/spoils are calculated after any bonus from the beginning of your turn. - this was the surprising bit, though I understand

Game 8694259

It is simply a programming decision of when the round-up-to-0 occurs. I would have figured the negative check would occur after all bonuses (including card bonuses) have been calculated. As I said, really don't care, and the situation is I am sure very very rare, just thought it was interesting.

by **SirSebstar** on Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:31 am

Game 8694259
2011-06-23 18:24:55 - mvar received -5 troops for holding Gas Chamber without Warden
2011-06-23 18:24:55 - mvar received 3 troops for 1 regions
2011-06-23 18:24:59 - mvar cashed in a group of Tyler, Shiv, and Alan worth 4 troops
2011-06-23 18:25:01 - mvar deployed 4 troops on Gas Chamber

thank you

by **BGtheBrain** on Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:21 am

by **Dukasaur** on Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Ok, so just trying to compile the list so far:
USApocalypse
Battle for Iraq
Supermax: Prison Riot
Conquer Man
Poker Club
Cricket
Solar System

any others?

by **SirSebstar** on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:08 am

Dukasaur wrote:Ok, so just trying to compile the list so far:
USApocalypse
Battle for Iraq
Supermax: Prison Riot
Conquer Man
Poker Club
Cricket
Solar System

any others?

poker club does not have negatives?!

by **Dukasaur** on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:13 am

SirSebstar wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Ok, so just trying to compile the list so far:
USApocalypse
Battle for Iraq
Supermax: Prison Riot
Conquer Man
Poker Club
Cricket
Solar System

any others?

poker club does not have negatives?!

I don't know, I only played it once and I was the first one wiped out so I didn't learn much about the map. But QoH mentioned it so I put it on the list.

by **SirSebstar** on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:15 am

no it has no negatives, but it does not carry a terrotory bonus count so 12+ gives nothing.

by **mr. CD** on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:26 am

8 Thoughts is debatable, You can get -1 for something, but it's -1 on a continent bonus instead of region bonus. And you could never get under 3, since you'd get a bonus of 3 (for territories) + 3 for continent -1 for mind. (at least)
Don't think there's anything else.
And Poker Club doesn't have a negative bonus indeed.

by **SirSebstar** on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:21 am

the list of negative bonusses where holding lands will give you a negative on your deployment:
USApocalypse
Battle for Iraq
Supermax: Prison Riot
Conquer Man
Cricket
Solar System
D-day omaha beach

this is all, so says Sirsebstar

by **FarangDemon** on Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:48 pm

dwilhelmi wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:
dwilhelmi wrote:Something that kinda of surprised me while playing Supermax - the negative bonus does not impact bonus from cards. I had an opponent that had the -5 from the gas chamber without warden, and was only due 3, so net total was -2. He also happened to have a red set at this time, which he cashed, and he was able to deploy all 4 from the set. I would have thought that he would have only been able to deploy 2, as -5+3+4 = 2. Didn't make any difference in this case, but just mildly surprising.

got a game number?

You can not have a negative deployment (because the game engine would crash!). - this I knew

The extra armies you receive from cashing cards/spoils are calculated after any bonus from the beginning of your turn. - this was the surprising bit, though I understand

Game 8694259

It is simply a programming decision of when the round-up-to-0 occurs. I would have figured the negative check would occur after all bonuses (including card bonuses) have been calculated. As I said, really don't care, and the situation is I am sure very very rare, just thought it was interesting.

Well I do care, and this loophole is a travesty, I tell you, a complete travesty! In that case, it should be -2 + 4 = 2 armies. The full effect of the gas chamber is not being accurately portrayed due to this programming flaw. The creators of javascript would be rolling over in their graves...

Just kidding, I don't actually care either.