Resort Mafia Endgame, The Grand Finale

[VioIet]

Agreed for the most part, but if we all agree that we are going to lynch Vio anyway, then it gives the town the advantage to be able to take out 2 scummy people in one day instead of just one.

I'd be careful with that. Feel free to do what you want. But you might quickly find yourself having two dead townies, so i don't know if that is the brightest idea.

Why is this all you are showing up to say???

Why will you not be more active?

Ask to be replaced if you can only spare us one completely pointless post every few days!

Alright.

Due to anark's request, I would like to be replaced.

[chapcrap]

Agreed for the most part, but if we all agree that we are going to lynch Vio anyway, then it gives the town the advantage to be able to take out 2 scummy people in one day instead of just one.

I'd be careful with that. Feel free to do what you want. But you might quickly find yourself having two dead townies, so i don't know if that is the brightest idea.

Why is this all you are showing up to say???

Why will you not be more active?

Ask to be replaced if you can only spare us one completely pointless post every few days!

Alright.

Due to anark's request, I would like to be replaced.

Wow.

If she's just wanting to be replaced, we might as well DK her. Seems like it could just be a ploy to get us off the trail and if a new person takes over, we'll have to start trying to read a whole new person.

Also, in response to Haggis: First of all, you did ignore posts from Com9 and myself about you not actively posting. Second, I misread the rule. I didn't realize it was a random chance of elimination or survival. I thought they were lynched and if there was a tie it was random on who got lynched.

[safariguy5]

I'm willing to shoot the PM off if everyone seems to agree that a DK on vio makes sense.

[evilchaos]

Agreed for the most part, but if we all agree that we are going to lynch Vio anyway, then it gives the town the advantage to be able to take out 2 scummy people in one day instead of just one.

I'd be careful with that. Feel free to do what you want. But you might quickly find yourself having two dead townies, so i don't know if that is the brightest idea.

Why is this all you are showing up to say???

Why will you not be more active?

Ask to be replaced if you can only spare us one completely pointless post every few days!

Alright.

Due to anark's request, I would like to be replaced.

Wow.

If she's just wanting to be replaced, we might as well DK her. Seems like it could just be a ploy to get us off the trail and if a new person takes over, we'll have to start trying to read a whole new person.

Also, in response to Haggis: First of all, you did ignore posts from Com9 and myself about you not actively posting. Second, I misread the rule. I didn't realize it was a random chance of elimination or survival. I thought they were lynched and if there was a tie it was random on who got lynched.

I agree that DKing Vio makes sense, but this reasoning that chap supplied doesn't. We should DK her because she's getting replaced? That isn't even close to true...wanting to DK someone because you can't be assed with doing reads on their replacement isn't the proper reason. Laziness = scum or at least unhelpful town. Also, why is it any harder to read her replacement then continue reading her? It isn't like you have to reset all your reads - what she said and did still exists.

FoS Chap for this odd reasoning.

[Commander9]

I'm willing to shoot the PM off if everyone seems to agree that a DK on vio makes sense.

Let me re-read first before doing that, please.

[Anarkistsdream]

Agreed, we need to re-read, but that pretty much is the answer... Yoshi did it in Firefly and now Vio is doing it here... Either play or don't sign up... It's getting fucking old, people.

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Vote Count:

safariguy5 (1) - VioIet
VioIet (2) - Haggis_McMutton, Anarkistsdream

With 17 alive it takes 6 to lynch
I'll look into a replacement depending on what happens within the next few days, 6 days left!

[chapcrap]

evil, I have no response to you. My reasoning was that she was just trying to throw us off. FoS evil for FoSing me.

vote VioIet

[evilchaos]

FoS evil for FoSing me.

OMGUS FOS noted.

[chapcrap]

FoS evil for FoSing me.

OMGUS FOS noted.

Thanks for noting it.

[ShaggyDan]

Are you claiming town?

Well, it would be silly to claim scum, so I'd assume that's what she's doing. For the most part, I think it's more of a warning. She's right, though: a DK and a lynch give us two chances to screw up. That's also what I'm saying: just be careful.

Well using that logic then we shouldn't even lynch because there's a chance we may screw up.

Using a day-kill with a voting system I approve of. It basically gives us another lynch each day with people to vote on. That's a big asset to town.

On the topic of violet; if she doesn't have the time to respond and such then I would rather see a replacement or a defence (at the very least a claim) than just day-killing (if we keep going as we are). I'm not swung either way on her case at the moment for the sole reason she hasn't responded very much (which IMO isn't a tell to either way) and I don't think the points made are that strong tbh.

On the top of Saf's claim: if we end up not using his day-kill I think it might be a good idea for him to use his 'voteless' power so we can be sure of his claim. I mostly buy the claim, but again I'm not 100% convinced.

But I will "DK-vote Vio" (more defence from her and more progression of this case pending hopefully), and keep my single vote free atm.

Also; apologies for the inactivity. Exam time and I only have enough time to stay on top of one or two games really properly and pop my head in on others. My last exam is tuesday so activity should pick up shortly.

[Talapus]

FoS evil for FoSing me.

OMGUS FOS noted.

Thanks for noting it.

Just oh so very helpful. Why in the worl you would FOS someone for FOSing you is beyond me and accoplished absolutely nothing. You two sound like brothers in the backseat of a car complaining to their parents about how the other sibling is looking out your window or something. Seriously, grow up.

As for the entire Vio situation. I agree that a DK can be more beneficial to us, but I must agree with Shaggy and say I see no real merit in doing it against her. If she wants to be replaced then I don't see a huge problem with a replacment yet as most of us are still lost and it's still kinda early in the game considering the amount of players. If a replacement can get in here soon then maybe they will e able to giv e us more info on Vio's charater and role since Vio isn't giving us any of that. Once we have it, then we should decided based on that info. Thats just my votelss 2 cents though.

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah, I like this DK ability. That way we can have even the voteless players ahve votes.
I "Vote DK Vio"
Vio! Why give up? It's sad that you'd give up like that and I'd like it if you still wanted to play.
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[evilchaos]

FoS evil for FoSing me.

OMGUS FOS noted.

Thanks for noting it.

Just oh so very helpful. Why in the worl you would FOS someone for FOSing you is beyond me and accoplished absolutely nothing. You two sound like brothers in the backseat of a car complaining to their parents about how the other sibling is looking out your window or something. Seriously, grow up.

As for the entire Vio situation. I agree that a DK can be more beneficial to us, but I must agree with Shaggy and say I see no real merit in doing it against her. If she wants to be replaced then I don't see a huge problem with a replacment yet as most of us are still lost and it's still kinda early in the game considering the amount of players. If a replacement can get in here soon then maybe they will e able to giv e us more info on Vio's charater and role since Vio isn't giving us any of that. Once we have it, then we should decided based on that info. Thats just my votelss 2 cents though.

The case against Vio is mostly based on her more manipulative posts stating that she was cleared of a killing role, even though she was not. After people corrected her, she continued holding to her claim that she was cleared. She either skimmed past those corrections or ignored them, both of which seem scummy.

I don't care whether she's replaced or not, which is why I FOSd chap. We can't DK just because someone is being replaced.

I'm not trying to bicker with chap. I saw him make a case for killing someone due to them being replaced. This is a weak case that never should have been made, so I FOSd him for it. He then did an OMGUS FOS, so I mentioned that as well, since OMGUS anything is considered scummy in most scenarios.

[chapcrap]

Evil, if you're going to FoS me for going after Vio, you have a lot more FoSing to do.

Her being replaced is not why I think she should be DK'ed. I had been saying that before. So, FoSing me for that was just ridiculous.

[evilchaos]

Evil, if you're going to FoS me for going after Vio, you have a lot more FoSing to do.

Her being replaced is not why I think she should be DK'ed. I had been saying that before. So, FoSing me for that was just ridiculous.

Alright.

Due to anark's request, I would like to be replaced.

Wow.

If she's just wanting to be replaced, we might as well DK her. Seems like it could just be a ploy to get us off the trail and if a new person takes over, we'll have to start trying to read a whole new person.

You were saying?

I know you have other reasons as well and were pushing for a daykill before then, but that post I quoted was scummy. You specifically said that "if she's just wanting to be replaced, we might as well DK her." That reasoning is scummy. I am not saying that wanting Vio DKed itself is scummy.

@Everybody else: Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't think my thought process is unclear, but it's possible there's been some miscommunication as to why I FOSd chap.

@Chap: I'm done defending my FOS - this is taking away from other things we should be looking at. Let's get back on track here.

[safariguy5]

Ok, well like I said, there seems to be a good amount of support for me to sent / the pm and get a DK in. I think Vio has done enough scummy reasoning of trying to clear herself from the NK that this seems to be the simplest thing to do from both a player and probably from a mod standpoint. I'm willing to hear arguments against it, but several players have already expressed support for doing so.

[Commander9]

Ok, well like I said, there seems to be a good amount of support for me to sent / the pm and get a DK in. I think Vio has done enough scummy reasoning of trying to clear herself from the NK that this seems to be the simplest thing to do from both a player and probably from a mod standpoint. I'm willing to hear arguments against it, but several players have already expressed support for doing so.

Veto. VETO. I've re-read and I have a good feeling that Vio is town, who wasn't just quite able to follow. If anything she should be replaced rather than NK'd - besides, why the hell are you guys willing to kill someone without even letting them claim? Seriously?..

[Iliad]

Chap's flip-flop is fairly interesting though could be due to him changing his opinion.

While daykilling Vio may bring us some info, there's not that much to say that she's anti-town and her being replaced should be more beneficial to town.

I cannot vote unfortunately, but hopefully I'll be able to find a case to look at.

[chapcrap]

Chap's flip-flop is fairly interesting though could be due to him changing his opinion.

While daykilling Vio may bring us some info, there's not that much to say that she's anti-town and her being replaced should be more beneficial to town.

I cannot vote unfortunately, but hopefully I'll be able to find a case to look at.

Oh hey there inactive. Nice to see you again.

When exactly did I flip flop? Oh I didn't? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[pancakemix]

Chap's flip-flop is fairly interesting though could be due to him changing his opinion.

While daykilling Vio may bring us some info, there's not that much to say that she's anti-town and her being replaced should be more beneficial to town.

I cannot vote unfortunately, but hopefully I'll be able to find a case to look at.

Oh hey there inactive. Nice to see you again.

When exactly did I flip flop? Oh I didn't? Yeah, that's what I thought.

The hell are you getting defensive for? Evil just pointed out you flip-flopped. Someone else points out you flip-flopped and you flip out. What gives?

[chapcrap]

Chap's flip-flop is fairly interesting though could be due to him changing his opinion.

While daykilling Vio may bring us some info, there's not that much to say that she's anti-town and her being replaced should be more beneficial to town.

I cannot vote unfortunately, but hopefully I'll be able to find a case to look at.

Oh hey there inactive. Nice to see you again.

When exactly did I flip flop? Oh I didn't? Yeah, that's what I thought.

The hell are you getting defensive for? Evil just pointed out you flip-flopped. Someone else points out you flip-flopped and you flip out. What gives?

Don't think I flipped out, just got sarcastic.
Evil never said that I flip flopped.
Not really being defensive, just pointing out facts.

Anyway, Com9 says that he now thinks Vio is not scum, but previously he was thinking that she was. I'm not sure what really changed except for that she asked to be replaced. I guess initially he could have just been trying to put pressure on her.

Someone asked about not giving time to claim. How long are we supposed to give when she already asked to be replaced? If she's not being replaced, then what are we supposed to do? If she is being replaced, let's get it over with already so we can get some info. If she's just going to be inactive and you don't want her killed, then start pressuring someone else so we can get some information.

[pancakemix]

Don't think I flipped out, just got sarcastic.
Evil never said that I flip flopped.
Not really being defensive, just pointing out facts.

Anyway, Com9 says that he now thinks Vio is not scum, but previously he was thinking that she was. I'm not sure what really changed except for that she asked to be replaced. I guess initially he could have just been trying to put pressure on her.

Someone asked about not giving time to claim. How long are we supposed to give when she already asked to be replaced? If she's not being replaced, then what are we supposed to do? If she is being replaced, let's get it over with already so we can get some info. If she's just going to be inactive and you don't want her killed, then start pressuring someone else so we can get some information.

I realized you were being sarcastic. In context, it seemed to indicate defensiveness. It was a very aggressive post, regardless. And no, he didn't say you flip-flopped, and looking at it again that's not exactly a flip-flop. It's still you saying you wanting the daykill wasn't for reason X, even though it was.

Well, looking over the thread again can cause stuff like that to happen.

I tend to agree with that. The only problem is that Streaker, our next best lead, probably should've been replaced awhile ago.

[F1fth]

Oh gosh...

I'm gone a couple days and in the meantime a few of you guys try to convince our day vig to off an inactive? That's not what the day vig is for. When we don't have a lot to go on we use a lynch to find more information and only after much discussion. The DK is for time-sensitive and informed matters.

Chances are a pot shot will hit town so please save it. Also, replace Streaker please.

[evilchaos]

Oh gosh...

I'm gone a couple days and in the meantime a few of you guys try to convince our day vig to off an inactive? That's not what the day vig is for. When we don't have a lot to go on we use a lynch to find more information and only after much discussion. The DK is for time-sensitive and informed matters.

Chances are a pot shot will hit town so please save it. Also, replace Streaker please.

With all the people without votes, a majority is unlikely. Many voters seem to be inactiveish. We were suggesting we could us the DK like a lynch with people "voting" for who to DK. This would allow non-voters to participate and vote (which would result in an increase in activity as well).

And the reason behind DKing Vio was NOT because she was inactive. I FOSd chapcrap for even mentioning the idea. It was because she tried to manipulate town by saying that she was cleared when she really wasn't. She did this multiple times even after we corrected her.