The Big Lebowski Mafia - Mafia and Lyncher win!

[Fircoal]

I was roleblocked last night, so I have nothing to offer.

Vote: Haggis...

Fircoal, you were the one I investigated... I think you are a nihilist, so you may wish to claim soon, yourself.

If we are this close to end game, then everyone should agree that now is the time to claim.

Well I'm Bunny Lebowski and I'm a roleblocker. Last night I tried to roleblock Haggis. I'm nawt sure if it got sent in as it was 6 hours after the supposed deadline. If it did go it is possible that the bus driver goes first but if I remember correctly what Naggy thought about me doing that in an rt mafia it seems unlikely. So I shrug.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

It takes just a few to lynch so I'll withhold my vote for the moment in hopes more peeps will come in and weigh in on this Bunny claim of Fircoal's.

So I claim something that doesn't even make sense in hopes that it won't backfire on me? I'm sure I could do better if I were scum. Like seriously how does this work:

Obvious Town: I GOT BLOCKED!
Person A: I'M A ROLEBLOCKER AND I BLOCKED THE PERSON WITH SUPPOSED BUS DRIVING POWERS!

If you notice if this is true there is very little ways both of these statements can coexist unless there is another bus driver or roleblocker. I don't see any reason why as scum I'd say this. The only reason would be if I'm town.

[Iliad]

I was roleblocked last night, so I have nothing to offer.

Vote: Haggis...

Fircoal, you were the one I investigated... I think you are a nihilist, so you may wish to claim soon, yourself.

If we are this close to end game, then everyone should agree that now is the time to claim.

Well I'm Bunny Lebowski and I'm a roleblocker. Last night I tried to roleblock Haggis. I'm nawt sure if it got sent in as it was 6 hours after the supposed deadline. If it did go it is possible that the bus driver goes first but if I remember correctly what Naggy thought about me doing that in an rt mafia it seems unlikely. So I shrug.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

It takes just a few to lynch so I'll withhold my vote for the moment in hopes more peeps will come in and weigh in on this Bunny claim of Fircoal's.

So I claim something that doesn't even make sense in hopes that it won't backfire on me? I'm sure I could do better if I were scum. Like seriously how does this work:

Obvious Town: I GOT BLOCKED!
Person A: I'M A ROLEBLOCKER AND I BLOCKED THE PERSON WITH SUPPOSED BUS DRIVING POWERS!

If you notice if this is true there is very little ways both of these statements can coexist unless there is another bus driver or roleblocker. I don't see any reason why as scum I'd say this. The only reason would be if I'm town.

Fircoal I tought you were above WIFOM arguments.

In any case nag did say mafia have fakeclaims and this may be your attempt at it. Maybe not, it's unlcear.

[Fircoal]

I was roleblocked last night, so I have nothing to offer.

Vote: Haggis...

Fircoal, you were the one I investigated... I think you are a nihilist, so you may wish to claim soon, yourself.

If we are this close to end game, then everyone should agree that now is the time to claim.

Well I'm Bunny Lebowski and I'm a roleblocker. Last night I tried to roleblock Haggis. I'm nawt sure if it got sent in as it was 6 hours after the supposed deadline. If it did go it is possible that the bus driver goes first but if I remember correctly what Naggy thought about me doing that in an rt mafia it seems unlikely. So I shrug.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

It takes just a few to lynch so I'll withhold my vote for the moment in hopes more peeps will come in and weigh in on this Bunny claim of Fircoal's.

So I claim something that doesn't even make sense in hopes that it won't backfire on me? I'm sure I could do better if I were scum. Like seriously how does this work:

Obvious Town: I GOT BLOCKED!
Person A: I'M A ROLEBLOCKER AND I BLOCKED THE PERSON WITH SUPPOSED BUS DRIVING POWERS!

If you notice if this is true there is very little ways both of these statements can coexist unless there is another bus driver or roleblocker. I don't see any reason why as scum I'd say this. The only reason would be if I'm town.

Fircoal I tought you were above WIFOM arguments.

In any case nag did say mafia have fakeclaims and this may be your attempt at it. Maybe not, it's unlcear.

Yes it's WIFOM but then again do you really think I'd fake-claim a role just to do some WIFOM? Also if Nag did give fakeclaims I think we can all root out the idea that I'm being a nub and claiming things I don't know. ;P

[TA1LGUNN3R]

She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists.

She never kidnapped herself. She left to visit a friend. The nihilists just happened to know she was leaving. Technically, her only crime is owing money to known pornographers.

-Tails

[Talapus]

She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists.

She never kidnapped herself. She left to visit a friend. The nihilists just happened to know she was leaving. Technically, her only crime is owing money to known pornographers.

-Tails

Man, I guess it's been awhile since I've seen it. Why did I think that....oh that what the dude and the artist thought happened. Thats right. I need to watch this again apparently...lol

[Haggis_McMutton]

Heh, saw this coming when spiesr turned up the stranger.

Well, I'm kinda in a corner here, so I might as well spill the beans:
yeah, i lied, I'm the tall nihilist.
Chu however is also lying, about his alignment and possibly power as well.

Scum is: Tall nihilist, Uli whatever and bunny as a town traitor. We didn't know who bunny is.

Why am i telling you this? I have an alternate win condition. Basically, I care a lot for Bunny. If she is lynched, before the dude, it makes me realize I'm not really a nihilist.(remember the line: "It's not fair" in the fight scene? )
If Bunny is lynched when the dude is still alive, I win and am removed from the game.

This is the only reason AD is still alive, i was trying to keep my options open. Turns out it bit be in the ass though.(why the hell did you investigate me man? thought I played it cool ... )

Yesterday, i was really hoping that spiesr was bunny. Figured I had a better shot of getting him with that fake claim rather than telling the truth, now I don't have that luxury anymore.

Anyway, you know what i'm proposing. Lynch chu and I disappear from the game just after revealing who the last scum is.
Alternatively, lynch me and hope that you get the right target for two days in a row.(and yes, we have good fake claims)

I will not reveal any more information about my scummate without making the above deal. Hell even if i'm killed I still have a pretty decent shot of winning with scum, it only makes sense to talk if you can improve on those odds. Just look at the thread. You'll see that what I'm saying fits with the play styles.

P.S. Sorry chu and scummate, gotta try to maximize my odds though.
Besides, I always wanted to win by betraying my faction

[Fircoal]

Heh, saw this coming when spiesr turned up the stranger.

Well, I'm kinda in a corner here, so I might as well spill the beans:
yeah, i lied, I'm the tall nihilist.
Chu however is also lying, about his alignment and possibly power as well.

Scum is: Tall nihilist, Uli whatever and bunny as a town traitor. We didn't know who bunny is.

Why am i telling you this? I have an alternate win condition. Basically, I care a lot for Bunny. If she is lynched, before the dude, it makes me realize I'm not really a nihilist.(remember the line: "It's not fair" in the fight scene? )
If Bunny is lynched when the dude is still alive, I win and am removed from the game.

This is the only reason AD is still alive, i was trying to keep my options open. Turns out it bit be in the ass though.(why the hell did you investigate me man? thought I played it cool ... )

Yesterday, i was really hoping that spiesr was bunny. Figured I had a better shot of getting him with that fake claim rather than telling the truth, now I don't have that luxury anymore.

Anyway, you know what i'm proposing. Lynch chu and I disappear from the game just after revealing who the last scum is.
Alternatively, lynch me and hope that you get the right target for two days in a row.(and yes, we have good fake claims)

I will not reveal any more information about my scummate without making the above deal. Hell even if i'm killed I still have a pretty decent shot of winning with scum, it only makes sense to talk if you can improve on those odds. Just look at the thread. You'll see that what I'm saying fits with the play styles.

P.S. Sorry chu and scummate, gotta try to maximize my odds though.
Besides, I always wanted to win by betraying my faction

Yea you just HAPPEN to bring this up at what is likely Lylo, after you hurt the town yesterday. Seems like a sneaky way of trying to get me hammered and win.

[Anarkistsdream]

So, Fircoal, you honestly think there is another role-blocker in this game besides you???

[Anarkistsdream]

By the way, I can believe the alternate win condition based on the movie... If Nag didn't come up with that, and Haggis did, I've gotta give props to Haggis for thinking on his feet.

[Talapus]

So, Fircoal, you honestly think there is another role-blocker in this game besides you???

Ya, this seems like a stretch to say the least. There weren't that many of us in the game to begin with and two role blockers seems like it's rather overpowering for this game.

[Fircoal]

So, Fircoal, you honestly think there is another role-blocker in this game besides you???

That or an actual bus driver. I mean really a mafia roleblocker and a town roleblocker being in the same game as been seen many times, it wouldn't be a stretch or a surprise, or really anything but "seen it."

[Anarkistsdream]

My problem is I don't want Haggis to win... He lied about Spiesr and cost us a good player- though he hadn't been around AT ALL.

Lying to the town and then being a turncoat does not give me "Let's help him out" vibes.

[Haggis_McMutton]

My problem is I don't want Haggis to win... He lied about Spiesr and cost us a good player- though he hadn't been around AT ALL.

Lying to the town and then being a turncoat does not give me "Let's help him out" vibes.

I totally understand that. I hate giving the win to other factions as well. But you're at LYLO and have must catch 3 scum in a row to win. Better to share the win than to share the lose, wight?

Disclaimer: it's 3:30 AM here and I'm comnpletetely hammered, hope this makes sense.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think Talapus is one of the remaining 3 scum:

Not quite sure what you are asking. You answer my question as I wondered if it was possible your investigation was messed with. Haggis gave what I think is a very plausible explanation and you bought it to as you voted for Spiesr. So I'm kinda confused . But the vote for spiesr right now I have no problem with as he is absent and needs pressure to come in and talk.

You mentioned a busdriver. As I assume you've investigated people before tonight and have gotten reads on them and have dead characters to compare them too. Is there any reason you think a busdriver exists. I agree with marty probably being one as it would make sense, but you seemed t come right out of no where and suggest it. So that makes me think you've had doubts or tampered reads before otherwise why mention it like that? So, where exactly did that revalation come from man?

Backs Haggis' fakeclaim when it was most expedient to do so, at the lynch of an inactive townie.

Vote: Spiesr

Simple really, he turns up scum then then we have an outed busdriver who can assist us in the game. As for Illiad and Vioiet, where are you?

You each posted over 12 days ago about how you were going to get caught up and haven't posted jack since. I could have watched The Big Lebowski over 2 dozen times in those many days so no it can't be because it's not enough time to be caught up on everything. Come and join us.

Fircoal and Tailgunner, same goes for you........come talk to the rest of us. We're being raped by mafia and the fact that some of you are scummarining makes it tough to figure out which ones are scum.

Then votes for spiesr, only after Nark did, which I read as him trying to be careful and not too closely associate with Haggis. He's also imploring chu and myself to help out while claiming that mafia is raping us, some good ol' fashioned crocodile tears.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

He also tries to defame chu's claim by playing the flavor spec here, denouncing Bunny's character. This would be an excellent maneuver if he happened to know that Bunny is town and he thought he could get away with painting Bunny (that fucking strumpet) as anti-town because of her moral ambiguity.

Not to mention the earlier suspicion we all had of flores, and how he squirmed his way out of that:

See that's just it. I have no idea why she acted the way she did. I got the same role and don't see anything that would make me want to or even be able to rationalize the way she acted. It's a pretty Vanilla role in fact. So the thing I can think of is that honestly her head just wasn't in the game as she was in and out sporadically and not able to give it the attention it needed. Maybe just bad play in general as she didn't really have the time.

This is exactly what I would say if I had replaced scum.

So, right now we've got:

Haggis--admitted scum with other win condition.
Talapus-- whom I believe to be scum.
______-- some other scummy based on the 3 man nihilist group.

After Haggis' stunt, I don't really want to give him the win (sorry pal ) but I think Talapus and the other scummy would want to get rid of him because he could potentially out them.

-Tails

[Anarkistsdream]

I want everyone to claim right now...

Anarkistsdream - Dude
Tailgunner - Donnie
Haggis - Tall Nihilist
Fircoal - Bunny Lebowski
Talapus -
Violet -
Iliad -

[Talapus]

Hmmmm, I'm not quite sure you are as caught up with this game Tails as you think you are. A lot of your points are just kinda out there man. Had you paid attention to some of the other posts which you skipped or left out I had asked AD if he was sure of his findings as something he posted made it sound like he doubted his results. Sure enough he comes in and said that yes he did have doubts and mentioned a busdriver possibility which would completely make sense with one or two characters in here. Then you claim I vote for inactive Spiesr only after AD did it to distance myself from Haggis when my vote was on Haggis before with no mention of anything posted then.....ya, nice of you to leave that out. As for the whole Flores thing, like I said, I can't speak for why she acted the way she did as my character has emotional problems(Yes, but no set PR) but I've not played that angle of it. Not even sure if she was as the mod never said, would make sense I guess, but without a stated PR and no one else playing one I assumed it as a coincedence on her end. Again though, can't confirm either way.

[Talapus]

I want everyone to claim right now...

Anarkistsdream - Dude
Tailgunner - Donnie
Haggis - Tall Nihilist
Fircoal - Bunny Lebowski
Talapus -
Violet -
Iliad -

Oh, guess you posted while I was typing up a response to Tails. I'm Smokey, and I was a swing voter up until Walter died.

[Haggis_McMutton]

After Haggis' stunt, I don't really want to give him the win (sorry pal ) but I think Talapus and the other scummy would want to get rid of him because he could potentially out them.

YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, DONNY!

Sorry, just had to say that once before the game ends.

Yes, the scum wants me dead now. This means all town needs to realise that the point in mafia is winning, not making all the other guys lose.

Also, learn from the dude, man. It's not personal.
If spiesr had been who I thought he was, you guys would be in a pretty good position to win.
Didn't work out like that, now we're both in a pretty bad position, but I'm giving you the win on a silver platter.

[Anarkistsdream]

After Haggis' stunt, I don't really want to give him the win (sorry pal ) but I think Talapus and the other scummy would want to get rid of him because he could potentially out them.

YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, DONNY!

Sorry, just had to say that once before the game ends.

Yes, the scum wants me dead now. This means all town needs to realise that the point in mafia is winning, not making all the other guys lose.

Also, learn from the dude, man. It's not personal.
If spiesr had been who I thought he was, you guys would be in a pretty good position to win.
Didn't work out like that, now we're both in a pretty bad position, but I'm giving you the win on a silver platter.

So who besides you and Fircoal are scum?

[Haggis_McMutton]

After Haggis' stunt, I don't really want to give him the win (sorry pal ) but I think Talapus and the other scummy would want to get rid of him because he could potentially out them.

YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, DONNY!

Sorry, just had to say that once before the game ends.

Yes, the scum wants me dead now. This means all town needs to realise that the point in mafia is winning, not making all the other guys lose.

Also, learn from the dude, man. It's not personal.
If spiesr had been who I thought he was, you guys would be in a pretty good position to win.
Didn't work out like that, now we're both in a pretty bad position, but I'm giving you the win on a silver platter.

So who besides you and Fircoal are scum?

So you're agreeing to my deal? If I just tell you now you'll kill me, we need to work out a way of doing the "transaction".

[Anarkistsdream]

I will agree that, once you give us the name, I will vote for that person. If they are lynched and come up scum, then we lynch Fircoal next. That way, you win. If you DON'T give us the name, though, I assure you we are just going to lynch you first.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I will agree that, once you give us the name, I will vote for that person. If they are lynched and come up scum, then we lynch Fircoal next. That way, you win. If you DON'T give us the name, though, I assure you we are just going to lynch you first.

See, my problem is, how do i know you'll lynch Fircoal before me?
Once I give up the name i've given up my last ace and I'm at the mercy of the town. And the town has made it pretty clear that they're not going to let me win out of the kindness of their hearts.

If I die now and you guys lynch chu tomorrow, you'll still be at LYLO with 3 players.
This means if i die now i still basically have 2/3 odds of winning with scum.
I do not believe the odds of you guys handing me the win tomorrow when I'll have nothing left to offer are higher than 2/3.

I think it's pretty downright clear that chu is who i say he is. His playstyle, his character and the roleblock all match.
I need him dead today, while I still have something you need.

[Fircoal]

I will agree that, once you give us the name, I will vote for that person. If they are lynched and come up scum, then we lynch Fircoal next. That way, you win. If you DON'T give us the name, though, I assure you we are just going to lynch you first.

See, my problem is, how do i know you'll lynch Fircoal before me?
Once I give up the name i've given up my last ace and I'm at the mercy of the town. And the town has made it pretty clear that they're not going to let me win out of the kindness of their hearts.

If I die now and you guys lynch chu tomorrow, you'll still be at LYLO with 3 players.
This means if i die now i still basically have 2/3 odds of winning with scum.
I do not believe the odds of you guys handing me the win tomorrow when I'll have nothing left to offer are higher than 2/3.

I think it's pretty downright clear that chu is who i say he is. His playstyle, his character and the roleblock all match.
I need him dead today, while I still have something you need.

My playstyle?

Also I think the idea that this is all fabricated to try to get my lynched for a scum win is more likely.

[Haggis_McMutton]

My playstyle?

For instance.

You never said anything when AD declared me scum untill it was clear what the outcome would be, you then post:

As a note spiesr hasn't responded to my prod - at this stage I think it may be beneficial for me to start looking for a replacement.

Fircoal always online.....prod his lazy ass too and get him in here......lol.

Came in on my own. Vote: Speisr I think it's clear that he's either scum or HAggis is lying.

You're one of the more cautious players, I've seen you more often defending players than accusing them, yet here you just seem to be happy to get the lynch on spiesr.
It was basically just my word against AD's investigation that spiesr was guilty. spiesr wasn't even active, yet you just largely avoid the going ons and surface to help lynch a guy before he got a chance to speak.

That's very un-chu like of you, unless of course, you were just happy to get another mislynch and get the town to LYLO.

[Anarkistsdream]

Before anything happens, everyone else needs to claim.