[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[DoomYoshi]

I'll only hammer once he has enough votes that I can unvote and hammer... Too little activity from too many players.

He's L-1 atm. I'm prepared to vote him. If you want to hammer you can unvote and I'll vote? Alternatively we can have him hammer himself I guess...

I'm just worried we have little to go off tomorrow.

I do have an idea. We could always continue the case making and discussion of the day, keeping an 'unofficial vote count' where we don't actually vote. From this we decide a person to hammer. In doing this we will effectively get 2 lynches if Yoshi is telling the truth. 1 from lynching the bomb, 1 from voting for who will hammer the bomb.

If he's telling the truth about the bomb then we decide the person who gets killed by him, if he's lieing we hit scum and we have some more leads to go off tomorrow.

Thoughts?

I like this idea, but I am ready to hammer myself if an impasse is reached.


@Comm: I was playing terribly. I let the emotions get the best of me here. Nark really ruined this game for me.
As to your sequence of events: I wanted to claim, as the captain was suggesting I was the #1 NK target. I apologize for not wanting to be NKed before I had a chance to claim. Not wanting to claim was just me messing with Nark. Claiming the dead person, I am not sure why I did that, I am not familiar with the series and for some reason that name stuck in my head. You say that my behaviour is not usually like this, but Tal and Nark say that I do this in every game; I am wondering what the true story is.

@Saf: I am a townie too. Maybe not totally cleared, but the odds are going up.

[strike wolf]

It could work but I am not sure there is any other case I feel strongly enough about to hammer you and risk their death if they turn up town.

[Anarkistsdream]

OK, since I am not super powerful or anything, I will

Unvote

Now, someone else put him at L-1, and I will revote him... This way, if I die, it isn't such a big deal.

[DoomYoshi]

It could work but I am not sure there is any other case I feel strongly enough about to hammer you and risk their death if they turn up town.

So you don't even want to discuss anyone else? You want to just rush through a lynch?

@Comm again: Sorry to disappoint you
vote Yoshi

[strike wolf]

OK, since I am not super powerful or anything, I will

Unvote

Now, someone else put him at L-1, and I will revote him... This way, if I die, it isn't such a big deal.

Would it not be better to have him hammer himself?

[Anarkistsdream]

Well yes, but that wasn't what other people had been suggesting, so I followed what others had suggested.

Vote: Yoshi

Nark really ruined this game for me.

Really, how is that? You did this to yourself.

[strike wolf]

Well too late now but I was fine with cases being brought up. I just didn't have anything new to add. I presented my main cases and I didn't really have the focus to try to look into cases in Unknown mafia and reread this thread.

[safariguy5]

I think that's a lynch, time to see what the scene shows.

[Commander9]

... You know what... I won't even... Nevermind.

[edocsil]

Reposted for justice.

What were you guys honestly thinking?

Whatever, here is the scene.


After attempting to smuggle away human organs in his own body and then doublecrossing his employers Tracey was off in a bad way. He had turned to his only friend from the war, Mal. But now Mal was dead and Tracey was lost. The smugglers were going to find him and kill him. He had to get off the ship to escape and find someplace safe. Just as he was getting into the shuttle and preparing to cast off from the Serenity when Jayne came around the corner.

"Stop right there, that ship belongs to the Serenity and you are not leaving with it!"

With a sneer Tracey pulled a gun from his waist and shot Jayne in the chest, it was over before Jayne even made it half way to the shuttle. His vision fading Jayne smiled to himself, "Heh, goes to show Mal knows, always bring grenades." Just as the shuttle door closed he weakly pulled a pin and lobed a 'nade through the closing passage. The shuttle took off and Jayne slowly counted to five. As he reached the last number an explosion rocked the ship and he closed his a final time, know his killer never escaped.


Jayne Cobb (Anark) Town Tracker has been killed.
Tracey Smith (DoomnYoshi) Town Bomb has been killed.

[edocsil]

Get those actions in! Only have 2 so far.

[edocsil]

Scene

There was a traitor in their midst, Zoe knew it in her heart. It was not something she could explain, something that could just be felt. Idly she took out a knife, spinning it around on a table in the kitchen. On a whim she scratched the names of those she suspected onto the table and spun the knife. Slowly coming to a halt it stopped on Lawrence's name. Chuckling to herself Zoe spun the knife again only to have it stop on Lawrence's name again. And then again. After stopping a fourth time Zoe grabbed the knife and ran to the crews quarters where the passenger was also staying. Hauling Lawrence out of bed she held the knife to his throat, "What are you hiding? What is your real purpose here!?" Breaking Zoe's hold Lawrence' dove for his desk where he kept a hidden gun. Just as he got to the weapon Zoe's knife landed on the back of his spine, permanently ending all his struggles and covering her in his blood.

Zoe was unraveling, her life was in shambles, her husband and most of her friends dead. Covered in blood she knelt on the floor and let her sorrow flow. So distraught Zoe never noticed the man who slipped in and out of the room leaving a little blue device behind, at least not until it began to wail, its piercing cry ending her sorrow and sending her to he waiting lover.

Lawrence Dobson (Violet) Innocent Scum has been killed.
Zoe Alleyne Washburne (Safariguy) Town Vig and Lover has been killed.

D4 Go!

[ShaggyDan]

First off; why kill the bomb? *Facepalm*. If we still had a tracker alive we could have had them on Zoey and killed blue-hands today.

Second off; nice shot saf.

Lawrence was the agent from episode one, yes? I'm guessing innocent scum means he would have come up innocent on investigation? Or does it mean he didn't know who his partners were? The only time I played with an innocent goon before was they came up as innocent, but I've played on other sites were this role is called the godfather. Once someone answers I'll have a re-read trying to pick stuff out between Violet and people.

Also; we only have 6 alive correct?

- ShaggyDan
- Strike
- Commander
- Fircoal
- Iliad
- Talapus

The only people we are sure of that are out there are the blue hands and river.

If there's 2 scum alive we could be in mylo. If there's 1 scum alive we only have one mys-lynch (to get to 4 with 1 scum) before we're in mylo. Either way if scum is only going to kill once we can have a day of no-lynch and be in lylo the next.

I bring this up because I think I may have a plan.

I have very-very soft-claimed my role a while ago. And there is a way to back this up. Inara has also claimed sometime ago and would be (possibly) able to clear an alive player of being the bluehands if she was truthful about her role. We could prove my role, and then go into night with 3 people cleared and 3 people not cleared.

This gives us a 1/3 chance of correctly blocking the killing scum and a 2/3 chance of not blocking the scum. In the case of blocking the scum we would be able to lynch the scum and do it again (if there is two). In the case of not blocking the scum; we then go into D5 with 5 alive, two cleared and the chance to lynch two people. Giving us a random chance of 2/3 of winning.

This all works only assuming we believe the Inara claim. Of course, another problem with this is the mafia may be able to choose not to kill. But we could always just continue to no-lynch and wait giving any possible town roles left alive the chance to do something.

This also doesn't work if there are 2 scum alive because there may not actually be a clear.

There are either 1 or 2 scum alive. In either case we have better odds if we no-lynch either way (only IF we believe there will be one kill). You want to be in a 3:2 instead of a 4:2 situation.

[strike wolf]

Sigh I was hoping mafia would buy into my fake soft claim of a flavor cop (I'm willing to claim for real if a majority wants me to but I would rather not) and kill me instead of safari. Anyways a brief analysis before I reread:

Well fircoal is probably innocent as n1 proved there was a role blocker and even if it had been a mafia role blocker (unlikely as the intended role block target appears to have been vio) than mafia would have probably blocked safari last night and zoe or mal night 2 neither seems to have happened. A list of blocked players from fircoal would be nice but at this point I am assuming shaggy (I have a hunch on his soft claim) and iliad (I believed he was town yesterday and that was one of the reasons I was against lynching him) are town. So the list for me would be like this:
iliad
Fircoal-inara
Strike
Shaggy
commander
Talapus

Beyond that I need to reread and look over the thread.

[safariguy5]

Finally got one! Go town!

[Commander9]

With today most likely being LyLo, I think the 1st thing that we need to do is we have to have everyone claimed. I honestly doubt that we have 1 scum left and under-estimating that could be fatal for the town. I do think that Fir is cleared and is probably the only 100% town. I also got a feeling that Shaggy is pro town as well, so we have 3 candidates to look at.

- Fircoal
- Commander9
- ShaggyDan
- Strike
- Iliad
- Talapus

Out of these 4, I think that Strike and Illy are more likely to be scum, but I wouldn't completely rule out Talapus either. All 3 of them had their moments and all 3 of them definitely need to be pressured. I'm fairly sure SHaggy is town, but we'll see. A quick analysis of all of them:

Strike has been the main character at the start of the game, but since then, his gameplay completely changed and some of things that he did and his aggressiveness worried me. He became extra aggressive and he did subtly push for Yoshi's lynch, but did so without getting too much attention, so he would not be implicated one they are dead. Also, today, he starts really aggressive straight away trying to put town into specific way he wants to go by. Due to his experience, *he would want to quickly get any pressure coming at him off him and try to divert attention to others, which I think is what he was doing /*WIFOM alert*

Illy has been submarining most of the game and his connection with Vio only makes me a bit more suspicious. A scum usually try to distance from each other, so, with Vio going so hard after all, that might have been a distancing act. Vio being an innocent scum, she probably would have came down innocent under investigation (I don't think she didn't know she was scum), so she might have tried to throw a scummate under the bus, so she would read as town. It's not clear whether he's town or scum, but I would not trust him one bit.

Talapus was a replacement for Nagerous, of whom it's hard to get a read. He did go hard after Fir, but that's not too shocking. *WIFOM alert* I can be possible that he wanted to get replaced not to cripple the scum, but you can say the same about town /*WIFOM alert* . When talapus replaced Nag, he was very sparsely active with mainly posting one liners and just going with the flow of town. Barring his last few posts, he barely contributed anything.

Out of all of those 3, I would pressure Strike first as I think his significant change in gameplay and Mal jokes hide something much more sinister, but there is no way of knowing before the claiming goes in. Due to today most likely being LyLo, we definitely need to all claim as one mistake and it's probably over. I'm not sure if I would advise town to go to tomorrow with no lynch, as it may be over by tomorrow... Why would I say that?.. Well, I'm Third party survivor, Badger, who is also 1-time bulletproof. What this means is that it's 3 town and 2 mafia, and it's LyLo. If town mishits, it's over. If town goes into night without a kill, it can be over. Since I can win with either side, I really don't care that much and town can lynch me for that, but it will not help them one bit. Now, if they get one of the mafia (Strike, Illy, Talapus), they still have a good shot.

[strike wolf]

I think your comments on me commander are a bit hypocritical. You suggest that today I have started out quickly to direct the town where I want the day to go. What have I done thatg has tried to direct the town more than you or shaggy? All three of us have posted a hypothetical list of whom we see where which I think is the right move at this point in the game. So how am I trying to direct the town any more than you or shaggy are? As far as being aggressive how was I not playing aggressively as mal? I aggressively attacked fircoal for his play day 1, I was hesitant at first but I felt I was fairly aggrssive when I did decide to defend nark. I was aggressive against you day 2 and I was pretty assertive about doomyoshi as well. I've stuck my neck out as both of the characters I played in this game. I also don't see how I could be over aggressive and also not implicate myself on the doomyoshi wagon which honestly I feel I did implicate myself on. I was the one who claimed to know doomyoshi's character name before he said it and vouched for believing it wasn't trustworthy. I think that warrants me being put under a magnifying glass for his lynch. fos commander

I also don't really understand the iliad argument. Most of it is wifom and the rest is about him submarining. Iliad is not usually very active regardless so the only significant argument would be the wifom portion and I fail to see how that makes him more suspicious than talapus whom appears to have associated with a now known scum.

[Talapus]

Ok, at this stage we pretty much need to leave our cards on the table and fess up and claim if we are going to have any chance of winning. I will say the "Innocent Scum" role on Vio was a bit upsetting as it completely wasted my investigation of her.

Yes, you all were correct. As my previous character in this game I truly felt Vio was scum and went after her hard. After dying and coming back I wasn't too sure what was going on, but with my new role investigated Vio and got innocent. Thank god the vig had the balls to take her out. As for my waffling on the Vio issue and my arguements against her, the reasons should be pretty obvious at this point. Truly thought she had something to hide when I started this game, but when I came back and investigated, I got innocent. So, backed out of that tree in a hurry while trying to make it fairly believable as to why. That way I could distance myself from possibly having to come out and claim the town power role I am and possibly save my butt for another NK.

The first night investigation used with this character was Saf(Innocent) but that doesn't really matter now. As for my investigation last night I will state it as I really don't foresee the mod putting two "Innocent Scum" in this game. Last night I investigated Shaggy and recieved innocent as well.

Yes, I am River Tam, Town Cop.

With that knowledge I have absolutely no problem at this stage in the game to:

Vote: Stike Wolf


I want a bit more from you as "soft claims". I thought you calling out fo me was a bit out of character as you typically push and argue issues you believe fairly hard. But after you called me out on my change of heart on Vio and misinterpreted some of my post, you seemed to buy my reasoning behind it awful fast and go with it. With your normal play style that seems a little odd. Unless of course you knew Vio to be scum and wanted to make it sound like my reasoning was enough for you while protecting your scum buddy and distancing yourself. Well played sir, but I think you to be scum at this point.

Lets get some claims up in here peeps. We can still win this.

[Talapus]

Whoops

Vote: Stirke

[strike wolf]

Actually I backed off because I thought you might have been tried to soft claim an investigative role yesterdaym. I wasn't certain enough to abandon my suspicions but it was just enough to back off a bit. At the same time I had a suspicion that someone else could have been river whom I found a likely candidate for a cop so you were never completely off my radar.

Since the cop has apparently claimed I don't mind claiming either. I am Mr. Universe-universal mason. Each night I can contact one person and talk to them. This is why doomyoshi knew I was town and how I knew who he claimed to be. He wasn't very willing to give up his ability or share information during these talks which was a big part of why I fingered him as scum. As for the other two nights i contacted Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe. I know this sounds convenient but if you were in my situation who would you contact? Two roles you knew you could trust or potential mafia who could mislead you? Personally I wasn't daring enough to try using it as a flavor cop. From my talks with safari we both agreed that vio should be killed (he had already sent the action in anyways) and that tal and commander were the most likely scum.

[VioIet]

Finally got one! Go town!

[ShaggyDan]

Remember people it only takes 4 to lynch. We need to make sure no-one gets to 2 votes or scum can speed-hammer. For that reason I think it would be best for Tal to unvote and for us just to use FOS for now.

As for my claim; I am Derrias Book, Town Priest.

I have some points to make and questions to ask, but I'll wait for all claims to come in first. Just Illiad to go.

[ShaggyDan]

EBWOP: Derrial Book not Derrias, mis-typed.

[Talapus]

Fair enough.

Unvote

[Fircoal]

Actually I backed off because I thought you might have been tried to soft claim an investigative role yesterdaym. I wasn't certain enough to abandon my suspicions but it was just enough to back off a bit. At the same time I had a suspicion that someone else could have been river whom I found a likely candidate for a cop so you were never completely off my radar.

Since the cop has apparently claimed I don't mind claiming either. I am Mr. Universe-universal mason. Each night I can contact one person and talk to them. This is why doomyoshi knew I was town and how I knew who he claimed to be. He wasn't very willing to give up his ability or share information during these talks which was a big part of why I fingered him as scum. As for the other two nights i contacted Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe. I know this sounds convenient but if you were in my situation who would you contact? Two roles you knew you could trust or potential mafia who could mislead you? Personally I wasn't daring enough to try using it as a flavor cop. From my talks with safari we both agreed that vio should be killed (he had already sent the action in anyways) and that tal and commander were the most likely scum.

Mr. Universe is a reclusivetechno-geek in the movie Serenity portrayed by David Krumholtz.

I may not be the biggest Firefly fan but wikipedia doesn't like this claim. The idea of a reclusive mason does not fit together well. I'd like it if someone were to help me who's watched the show.

Also I'm not very well versed in this game I'll admit, I'll probably have to do more reading. However I do this that Shaggy and Tal's claims are pretty solid.