CLUE Mafia- Mafia Win!!!! MVP- Rodion

by **shieldgenerator7** on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:36 pm

oh, forgot about my vote on mass miracle. Unvote

by **freezie** on Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:32 pm

I feel completly stupid...I investigated the Candlestick and the lounge last night.....

....However I accidently deleted that pm from my inbox :oops:

I do remember nothing happened in the lounge..Don't ask me the names on the candlestick, though. :cry:

by **dazerazer** on Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:16 pm

freezie wrote:I feel completly stupid...I investigated the Candlestick and the lounge last night.....

....However I accidently deleted that pm from my inbox

I do remember nothing happened in the lounge..Don't ask me the names on the candlestick, though.

I feel completely justified in my vote now

by **shm78** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:56 am

UNVOTE

Vote Victor just to get the game moving along.

by **ben.cleuch** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:30 am

shm78 wrote:UNVOTE

Vote Victor just to get the game moving along.

Not happy about that shm. With you credentials ie claiming the same role as me. Then to prevent a quick lynch by you I say
Unvote victor

Let the investigation continue, including into our role or roles.

by **F1fth** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:45 am

I think it's pretty clear that we have scum in shm78. Worse comes to worst, he/she would not be a bad choice for a lynch if no one else. That said, I'd like to ask Victor for a decent explanation as to why got tonkaed would make a cult accusation at the cost of his own life if he's lying? It seems like a weak scum gambit and unlikely of GT. I just can't justify letting a potential cult recruiter get a free night.

And as for the cards, can we get some hardworking chap to count up how many have be revealed so far? If no one else can, I'll try to do that later tonight.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:22 am

I really can't be sure about whether or not I can quote the pm, but honestly it is the Chief's line out of the movie. Anyone who spends 5 seconds on google search you will exactly that quote.

I was given the option to accept or deny his request. It would only be possible for that pm to come from this character in game flavor.

I really do not think I am mistaken as far as what that pm would entail regarding recruitment. If I am not seeing something perhaps someone else could fill me in in this regard.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:39 am

got tonkaed wrote:I really can't be sure about whether or not I can quote the pm, but honestly it is the Chief's line out of the movie. Anyone who spends 5 seconds on google search you will exactly that quote.

I was given the option to accept or deny his request. It would only be possible for that pm to come from this character in game flavor.

I really do not think I am mistaken as far as what that pm would entail regarding recruitment. If I am not seeing something perhaps someone else could fill me in in this regard.

I say again, what's the deal with this?? How was got tonkaed able to deny the recruitment? Cult essentially loses from the get go unless there's some sort of benefit for joining them... I suppose there's the possibility of a Town Recruiter, but why would they imitate my character?

Remember from the movie, Clue, The Chief pretended to be an evangelist, he wasn't really one. It's unfortunate lalaland had my card, because one could easily question its validity, but I promise you she wasn't lying.

-Sully

by **Rodion** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:26 pm

F1fth wrote:And as for the cards, can we get some hardworking chap to count up how many have be revealed so far? If no one else can, I'll try to do that later tonight.

I'd like someone to review my list for mistakes, but by my count we have 7 declared innocents (Ho, Green, Brown, Stranded Motorist, Plum, Lavender and Chief - but Chief's innocence was granted by a scum and he's currently being accused of being a recruiter) and 4 declared guilties (Scarlet, Peach, Brunnette and Yvette). We have 9 cards to be declared.

I believe most players got 1 card, but the fact that some investigated N0 means some got no cards and some got 2. 3 townies died before declaring (Pyrhhus, Commander and Anarkist), so that's already 3 missed cards (average, they could have more or less). The other 6 might be in scum's hands (or with a townie that didn't declare yet for whatever reason). We should keep pushing for more cards: I already made a list of people that should declared, but they are not doing it.

by **edocsil** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:32 pm

F1fth wrote:I think it's pretty clear that we have scum in shm78. Worse comes to worst, he/she would not be a bad choice for a lynch if no one else. That said, I'd like to ask Victor for a decent explanation as to why got tonkaed would make a cult accusation at the cost of his own life if he's lying? It seems like a weak scum gambit and unlikely of GT. I just can't justify letting a potential cult recruiter get a free night.

And as for the cards, can we get some hardworking chap to count up how many have be revealed so far? If no one else can, I'll try to do that later tonight.

Completely in accord with my thoughts. I would like an explaination from victor and I am willing to persue a lynch with him but I do believe shm is scum.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:37 pm

edocsil wrote:
F1fth wrote:I think it's pretty clear that we have scum in shm78. Worse comes to worst, he/she would not be a bad choice for a lynch if no one else. That said, I'd like to ask Victor for a decent explanation as to why got tonkaed would make a cult accusation at the cost of his own life if he's lying? It seems like a weak scum gambit and unlikely of GT. I just can't justify letting a potential cult recruiter get a free night.

And as for the cards, can we get some hardworking chap to count up how many have be revealed so far? If no one else can, I'll try to do that later tonight.

Completely in accord with my thoughts. I would like an explaination from victor and I am willing to persue a lynch with him but I do believe shm is scum.

Tsk, tsk, you should skim less

Victor Sullivan wrote:Honestly, I have no idea where this is coming from. My role says nothing about being a recruiter, nor the existence of one. Given my role-claim post, someone could have easily used it to formulate a cult message, with a sort of evangelist spin to it or something. And what's with tonka's being able to decline the recruitment? That's awfully weak for a cult recruiter.

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:I really can't be sure about whether or not I can quote the pm, but honestly it is the Chief's line out of the movie. Anyone who spends 5 seconds on google search you will exactly that quote.

I was given the option to accept or deny his request. It would only be possible for that pm to come from this character in game flavor.

I really do not think I am mistaken as far as what that pm would entail regarding recruitment. If I am not seeing something perhaps someone else could fill me in in this regard.

I say again, what's the deal with this?? How was got tonkaed able to deny the recruitment? Cult essentially loses from the get go unless there's some sort of benefit for joining them... I suppose there's the possibility of a Town Recruiter, but why would they imitate my character?

Remember from the movie, Clue, The Chief pretended to be an evangelist, he wasn't really one. It's unfortunate lalaland had my card, because one could easily question its validity, but I promise you she wasn't lying.

-Sully

by **edocsil** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:41 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:
edocsil wrote:
F1fth wrote:I think it's pretty clear that we have scum in shm78. Worse comes to worst, he/she would not be a bad choice for a lynch if no one else. That said, I'd like to ask Victor for a decent explanation as to why got tonkaed would make a cult accusation at the cost of his own life if he's lying? It seems like a weak scum gambit and unlikely of GT. I just can't justify letting a potential cult recruiter get a free night.

And as for the cards, can we get some hardworking chap to count up how many have be revealed so far? If no one else can, I'll try to do that later tonight.

Completely in accord with my thoughts. I would like an explaination from victor and I am willing to persue a lynch with him but I do believe shm is scum.

Tsk, tsk, you should skim less

Victor Sullivan wrote:Honestly, I have no idea where this is coming from. My role says nothing about being a recruiter, nor the existence of one. Given my role-claim post, someone could have easily used it to formulate a cult message, with a sort of evangelist spin to it or something. And what's with tonka's being able to decline the recruitment? That's awfully weak for a cult recruiter.

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:I really can't be sure about whether or not I can quote the pm, but honestly it is the Chief's line out of the movie. Anyone who spends 5 seconds on google search you will exactly that quote.

I was given the option to accept or deny his request. It would only be possible for that pm to come from this character in game flavor.

I really do not think I am mistaken as far as what that pm would entail regarding recruitment. If I am not seeing something perhaps someone else could fill me in in this regard.

I say again, what's the deal with this?? How was got tonkaed able to deny the recruitment? Cult essentially loses from the get go unless there's some sort of benefit for joining them... I suppose there's the possibility of a Town Recruiter, but why would they imitate my character?

Remember from the movie, Clue, The Chief pretended to be an evangelist, he wasn't really one. It's unfortunate lalaland had my card, because one could easily question its validity, but I promise you she wasn't lying.

-Sully

Yes, I read what you wrote and I currently assume it is a lie if perhaps only by omission. What you have claimed and what GT have claimed are currently irreconcilable, so one of you is lying. Personally I think it is you as there are more possible scenarios for you to lie and the only real thing that could cause GT to lie is if he is a lyncher.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm

I think it's very possible that neither of us are lying. I think it's possible that got tonkaed got a recruitment message, but it's message was from someone else trying to pin the blame on me. Have we cleared got tonkaed yet?

-Sully

by **DoomYoshi** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:47 pm

Tonka: You came in here to basically restate exactly what you said earlier, but didn't post the results of your investigations, which is what we need right now.

On Victor: Unfortunately, you have to die. While I personally don't believe you a recruiter, we can't afford to take that chance. Furthermore, it will be impossible for us to work on the lynches we NEED (shm is top of the list right now) without constantly battling "what ifs". I think there is a good chance that Tonka is a lyncher, but there is also no guarantee that we have a Vig. So I propose that we lynch Tonka today and Victor tomorrow. If you are both town, there is no need to worry. We already have figured out most of the mafia by now. However, so this issue is not clouding out our real intent here (squashing the mafia) it really has to go this way.

Let's assume there are 3 mafia left. Everyone should post their list of their 3 most likely mafia candidates while we are waiting for the last few cards.

Mine:

1) shm, pretty obvious methinks
2)got tonkaed, avoiding claiming and then avoiding claiming cards, all the while pushing Victor to a lynch
3)edocsil, weird day 1 to day 2 shift; trying to downplay the power of the cellar cards but then embracing the massclaim; finally avoiding Rodion's question about the benefit of a delayed claim.

by **DoomYoshi** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Oh ok, I just read your explanation edocsil. Somehow I missed that earlier. It's not a great one though, so I still think it is likely that you were lying there.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:52 pm

I don't know as if that's a good idea. There were two kills last night... Delaying mafia lynches I think is a bad idea.

And suppose I (or anyone else, really) am the recruiter, so what? If players can reject the recruitment like got tonkaed said he did, we don't have to worry too much, do we? (And no, I am not claiming recruiter, this is purely theoretical.)

-Sully

by **shieldgenerator7** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:53 pm

My top suspect is Rodion solely based on my N0 investigations. He's been playing as town this whole game tho so it's starting to look more and more like he's been framed or something, but I still suspect him.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:01 pm

all I have is a n0 card that said David Bill was innocent.

I was pretty afk for a while here and did not end up investigating otherwise.

by **DoomYoshi** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:15 pm

Just figured this list could move up into the discussion area again.

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by **ben.cleuch** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:52 pm

Let's assume there are 3 mafia left. Everyone should post their list of their 3 most likely mafia candidates while we are waiting for the last few cards.

Mine:

1) shm, pretty obvious methinks
2)got tonkaed, avoiding claiming and then avoiding claiming cards, all the while pushing Victor to a lynch
3)edocsil, weird day 1 to day 2 shift; trying to downplay the power of the cellar cards but then embracing the massclaim; finally avoiding Rodion's question about the benefit of a delayed claim.[/quote]

1. victor
2.shm
3?
Sorry not sure about the third and I do not want to just go with the flow.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:32 pm

Would you have claimed the singing telegram girl, considering it was unlikely to be viewed as a legit claim by everyone else. Also, if you didnt have an investigation, would you have put it forward?

I am currently in zero games and don't have a huge amount of activity in the past week or so. I've given what I have.

by **Rodion** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:33 pm

On Victor/Tonka: it's hard to know whether he is a recruiter or not. The option of denying it sounds weird, unless the cult has other powers to compensate for that weakness. Tonka was scummy with his lightning hammer yesterday (the fact that we don't know Pyrhhus's and Commander's cards are on him) and he also tried to delay his claim today for no good reason other than "Edocsil was also allowed". That said, the risk of allowing a recruiter out there to go unpunished is pretty big (in [Official] Team CC Mafia, town didn't mislynch once - there were 2 missed vig kills, though - and is on a pretty poor position because of a recruiter that was never found), so I'm willing to lynch Victor just to make sure, as long as I get a good vibe from Tonka. Tonka, I think we need more information on your message. PM THE MODS TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND DISCLOSE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN WITHOUT GETTING YOURSELF MODKILLED. It was a message sent by the mods, not by Victor himself, right? Was it between quotation marks? What about the "accept/deny" part? Was it separated from the rest of the message (outside quotation marks, perhaps?)? Again, Tonka, I request you to talk to the mods so you can disclose as much as possible.

Edocsil, I also have a question for you: if Mr. Boddy is anti-town (as in "guilty" from a cellar card), why did you expect him to come forward and claim his name? You say you wanted to delay your claim just to get Mr. Boddy, but if he really is anti-town he was not expected to claim to begin with, and if he didn't claim you wouldn't be able to get him, so, for now, I'm not buying your story.

While I'm at it, Shm and Target are pretty scummy for obvious reasons:

Shm = weak claim + not disclosing your card + attempt to speedlynch Victor
Target = weak claim + not disclosing your card

by **got tonkaed** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:36 pm

until I am actually on the chopping block, I refuse to do something so simple that anyone with a google search could look it up in 30 seconds. That is lazyness by the game.

Victor's claimed role tried to recruit me during the night phase and was unsuccessful as I was allowed to confirm or deny his request.

by **Rodion** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:41 pm

Can you at least explain a bit more about the PM, please?

PM model 1 wrote:"Join the Kingdom of Heaven!"

Do you accept or deny?

PM model 2 wrote:"Join the Kingdom of Heaven! Do you accept or deny?"

Model 1 would lead me to believe that Victor is indeed a recruiter.
Model 2 would lead me to think he was framed by someoen that had the power to send a message.

You can talk to the mods first to see if your response is within the rules or not, I only request that you provide us a little more.

by **safariguy5** on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:55 pm

I think Victor would be higher than shm on my lynch list. We're pretty sure shm is mafia, we don't know if Victor is recruiter.

My top suspects.

1. Victor/GT- something doesn't add up, but if it is recruiter, we should squash it now.
2. shm- pretty clearly town
3. target- minimal contributions