[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[Anarkistsdream]

Basically, we have to come to some sort of consensus...

I am OK with either Vio or Yoshi... Shaggydan, I believe to be town with an aggressive play style.

[Commander9]

Honestly, none of the possible candidates seem like particularly strong reasons would compel me to vote them.

In my mind, the Cleared people are:
me
Fircoal
Nark (although less so than me and chu)

My possible suspects at this point:

1. Yoshi (odd offers to claim)
2. Iliad (but only if Vio decides that is the lynch she wants to push)
3. Strike/Tal (Interesting arguments from both sides, but a lot of posting without much quoting, also, character play style borders a bit on WIFOM for me)

Like I said, not real compelling cases up, but those are my sentiments right now.

You and Chu are 100% cleared, there's no debating that. Even though I was a SK when I expressed my doubts about Jayne, I can say that I still don't completely trust his character, although I don't think he's our best avenue right now.

Personally, I would prefer to pressure either Strike or Yoshi. Talapus justifications were good and I really can't say I found him too suspicious. Iliad would be my 3rd choice.

[Commander9]

So...no one has anything to say?

I actually do... But I barely had any time recently to do so (it was the same on all of my games, mind you).

I can't offer an actual case on anyone since there aren't any. I say we are fine just going for random lynches. If you guys want to randomly lynch me, that's fine, just don't NK me.

If this would not be day 3, I would be almost completely sure you are a jester. You have been acting very out of character for most of the game, especially Day 3. Something here stinks... Rotten.

Hmm well that's an interesting comment. I have to know though...why do you think it's such a good idea to random lynch? that sounds like the opposite of a good idea.

100% agreed with this - I don't think random lynching is EVER a good idea.

This struck me as an odd post. Here is why:

You make a post, FOS'ing me, doom and tal.

You FOS'd me because I called commander out for wanting a random lynch of those who refused to mass claim.

Now you call out doomyoshi for supporting a random lynch?

You didn't tell commander that it sounded opposite of a good idea, when he suggested it.

I just don't understand this line of reasoning.

Why don't you start reading my posts?

PS: I don't exactly "want" a random lynch, I am merely trying to get some BWs going to stimulate discussion. I am not saying a random is better than a well thought out one, just that a random is better than none at this point.

The day has just started and there were discussions that were bound to happen... But it seems that you didn't want them to develop naturally, rather pointing them a specific direction.

Now that you are replacing Streaker, do you understand why he was on my townie list? It doesn't seem like you do, considering you are voting for me. This is very suspicious behaviour. Nark has also claimed, which brings mafia to about 1/3 to 1/2 of all remaining people. Not terrible odds.

Don't forget that mafia know who are townies... And town doesn't know who are mafia.

I do not expect you to really discuss your night actions no. That's ridiculous and a violation of the rules as I understand them. However actual game play behavior I feel is fair game. I saw a contradiction in your behavior from earlier with no reason that I could make out and I wanted you to explain it. As for Yoshi, I would rather not get into that as well but it is an avenue that he is seemingly unwilling to let me take.

I never once said night actions dude. I can kinda see how you assume that, but never once in my post was that mentioned and never would I consider giving that info out...thats just a given. Looking back at your two thoughts as to why my behavior may or may not have changed however I notice you seem to lack your usual thought out ideas to share with all of us as the two options you presented are most certainly not the only ones plausible. I don't know strike, I really can't put my finger on it, but since you've come back...something is off with you. I'm not sure if I should chalk it up to an off day or if the newer role is a complete 180 from town. But ya, something isn't right with you.

ZING. Our 2nd coming of Mal has been acting really oddly and it looks like he's quickly trying to establish himself as a townie throwing accusations to the left and right (not all of them have merits).

[strike wolf]

Sorry I didn't realize that three accusations counted as left and right, especially when one of them is partially made in connection with another person I fosed. You should know me well enough commander that if I don't have one case that I think is absolutely solid I name multiple suspects.

I am not sure why doomyoshi is ok with being lynched but not night killed, it's still an interesting comment...

[Commander9]

Sorry I didn't realize that three accusations counted as left and right, especially when one of them is partially made in connection with another person I fosed. You should know me well enough commander that if I don't have one case that I think is absolutely solid I name multiple suspects.

I am not sure why doomyoshi is ok with being lynched but not night killed, it's still an interesting comment...

Yes, yes I do. The main thing is that I feel you're trying to establish yourself as a townie really hard with consistently going from one person to another. I may be wrong, but I think you are trying to build on your reputation from previous days and you want to direct the pressure from you.

Yes, Yoshi has made a bunch of very scummy comments, but this one got me thinking the most: Lets say that Yoshi is scum and has a very strong fake claim - he wants a chance to say it, because he know it won't work if he's just considered scummy and NK'd by vig. So, first, he asks people if he should claim? After being denied, starts acting scummy and getting pressure, so he could claim.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry I didn't realize that three accusations counted as left and right, especially when one of them is partially made in connection with another person I fosed. You should know me well enough commander that if I don't have one case that I think is absolutely solid I name multiple suspects.

I am not sure why doomyoshi is ok with being lynched but not night killed, it's still an interesting comment...

Yes, yes I do. The main thing is that I feel you're trying to establish yourself as a townie really hard with consistently going from one person to another. I may be wrong, but I think you are trying to build on your reputation from previous days and you want to direct the pressure from you.

Yes, Yoshi has made a bunch of very scummy comments, but this one got me thinking the most: Lets say that Yoshi is scum and has a very strong fake claim - he wants a chance to say it, because he know it won't work if he's just considered scummy and NK'd by vig. So, first, he asks people if he should claim? After being denied, starts acting scummy and getting pressure, so he could claim.

Why wouldn't I just do that day 1 then? I was just trying to stir up conversation, as this game seemed to be in a lull period. Now we are in less of a low spot and yes I have attracted some scummy attention, but I always do that. For the first time in ages, I am not scum and would hate to be NKed by a vig without a chance to claim.

[strike wolf]

Sorry I didn't realize that three accusations counted as left and right, especially when one of them is partially made in connection with another person I fosed. You should know me well enough commander that if I don't have one case that I think is absolutely solid I name multiple suspects.

I am not sure why doomyoshi is ok with being lynched but not night killed, it's still an interesting comment...

Yes, yes I do. The main thing is that I feel you're trying to establish yourself as a townie really hard with consistently going from one person to another. I may be wrong, but I think you are trying to build on your reputation from previous days and you want to direct the pressure from you.

Yes, Yoshi has made a bunch of very scummy comments, but this one got me thinking the most: Lets say that Yoshi is scum and has a very strong fake claim - he wants a chance to say it, because he know it won't work if he's just considered scummy and NK'd by vig. So, first, he asks people if he should claim? After being denied, starts acting scummy and getting pressure, so he could claim.

You make it sound like I've gone around making a case on someone and when it falls through I just go pick tthe next person to torture. I picked the three people who seemed suspicious when I replaced and made my cases. I have let up a bit on is tal and vio as tal came up with a reasonable explanation for his change in opinion but I have not dismissed either case. Tal is out of the picture for the moment as the main point in my case has been answered and on examination the rest of the case is weak. Vio I am still suspicious of just a little less so and might attempt to form a more in depth case on her in the future depending on how her actions continue. Doomyoshi is still up at the top of my discussion list. Right now it looks like he either needs to be lynched in all his other games for being scum or he's lying and I tend to believe the latter. Personally the reason you came up with commander seems wifomy but possibly applicable but either way I am not buying the we were in a lull excuse for offering to claim.

[Commander9]

Why wouldn't I just do that day 1 then? I was just trying to stir up conversation, as this game seemed to be in a lull period. Now we are in less of a low spot and yes I have attracted some scummy attention, but I always do that. For the first time in ages, I am not scum and would hate to be NKed by a vig without a chance to claim.

Because you would likely just be considered a jester and lynched? Because you would make yourself an easy target? Because people would be suspicious? Day 2 would have made more sense, but with a guilty result from Strike, you probably thought it wasn't a good idea to stick yourself out and be NK'd. I will stick with my opinion.

You make it sound like I've gone around making a case on someone and when it falls through I just go pick tthe next person to torture. I picked the three people who seemed suspicious when I replaced and made my cases. I have let up a bit on is tal and vio as tal came up with a reasonable explanation for his change in opinion but I have not dismissed either case. Tal is out of the picture for the moment as the main point in my case has been answered and on examination the rest of the case is weak. Vio I am still suspicious of just a little less so and might attempt to form a more in depth case on her in the future depending on how her actions continue. Doomyoshi is still up at the top of my discussion list. Right now it looks like he either needs to be lynched in all his other games for being scum or he's lying and I tend to believe the latter. Personally the reason you came up with commander seems wifomy but possibly applicable but either way I am not buying the we were in a lull excuse for offering to claim.

That's not exactly said, but it does seem that you're trying to have a couple of possible fall backs should plan A fail. As I've said, I really don't have anything else on you and Yoshi is much more suspicious for me, but I will keep an eye on you - something just feels a bit off. As far as others go:

@ Tal - I honestly don't see anything scummy on him at the moment.

@ Vio - mildly scummy, but she is usually that way. I wouldn't mind pressuring her, but there are much scummier people.

@ My suggestion on Yoshi: Yes, yes it WIFOM, but it's a proper one. If you have any better reasons and suggestions, please do tell.

[safariguy5]

Why wouldn't I just do that day 1 then? I was just trying to stir up conversation, as this game seemed to be in a lull period. Now we are in less of a low spot and yes I have attracted some scummy attention, but I always do that. For the first time in ages, I am not scum and would hate to be NKed by a vig without a chance to claim.

Because you would likely just be considered a jester and lynched? Because you would make yourself an easy target? Because people would be suspicious? Day 2 would have made more sense, but with a guilty result from Strike, you probably thought it wasn't a good idea to stick yourself out and be NK'd. I will stick with my opinion.

You make it sound like I've gone around making a case on someone and when it falls through I just go pick tthe next person to torture. I picked the three people who seemed suspicious when I replaced and made my cases. I have let up a bit on is tal and vio as tal came up with a reasonable explanation for his change in opinion but I have not dismissed either case. Tal is out of the picture for the moment as the main point in my case has been answered and on examination the rest of the case is weak. Vio I am still suspicious of just a little less so and might attempt to form a more in depth case on her in the future depending on how her actions continue. Doomyoshi is still up at the top of my discussion list. Right now it looks like he either needs to be lynched in all his other games for being scum or he's lying and I tend to believe the latter. Personally the reason you came up with commander seems wifomy but possibly applicable but either way I am not buying the we were in a lull excuse for offering to claim.

That's not exactly said, but it does seem that you're trying to have a couple of possible fall backs should plan A fail. As I've said, I really don't have anything else on you and Yoshi is much more suspicious for me, but I will keep an eye on you - something just feels a bit off. As far as others go:

@ Tal - I honestly don't see anything scummy on him at the moment.

@ Vio - mildly scummy, but she is usually that way. I wouldn't mind pressuring her, but there are much scummier people.

@ My suggestion on Yoshi: Yes, yes it WIFOM, but it's a proper one. If you have any better reasons and suggestions, please do tell.

Also because on Day 1 you didn't know I was the Vig Yoshi. On Day 2, I didn't kill anyone on Night 1, so you still didn't know until I had to get Mal to save me. On Night 2, I demonstrated said vig power and thats when you really started getting all claim happy.

[DoomYoshi]

So, I am scummy for wanting to have a chance to claim before I am NKed?
Furthermore, I made a joke about claiming when there was barely any activity.
I can understand this case completely

If you would let me claim you would understand why I am playing this way.

[Anarkistsdream]

So, I am scummy for wanting to have a chance to claim before I am NKed?
Furthermore, I made a joke about claiming when there was barely any activity.
I can understand this case completely

If you would let me claim you would understand why I am playing this way.

It's not as if we can stop you from claiming... Just frigging do it already... You have been aching to since the beginning.

[DoomYoshi]

So, I am scummy for wanting to have a chance to claim before I am NKed?
Furthermore, I made a joke about claiming when there was barely any activity.
I can understand this case completely

If you would let me claim you would understand why I am playing this way.

It's not as if we can stop you from claiming... Just frigging do it already... You have been aching to since the beginning.

No it's ok. I would rather look at some other cases now. So, I am not quite sure what Talapus and strike were arguing about. I got the first case on Talapus, but nothing since then. I feel there may be a problem with having some many replacements, some wires got crossed.

[safariguy5]

So, I am scummy for wanting to have a chance to claim before I am NKed?
Furthermore, I made a joke about claiming when there was barely any activity.
I can understand this case completely

If you would let me claim you would understand why I am playing this way.

It's not as if we can stop you from claiming... Just frigging do it already... You have been aching to since the beginning.

No it's ok. I would rather look at some other cases now. So, I am not quite sure what Talapus and strike were arguing about. I got the first case on Talapus, but nothing since then. I feel there may be a problem with having some many replacements, some wires got crossed.

Ok, so you need pressure from me possibly NKing you to claim, fine then. And for the record, I only said you were a suspect and not the only possible target on Night 2.

If you don't claim, I'll NK you.

[Talapus]

No it's ok. I would rather look at some other cases now. So, I am not quite sure what Talapus and strike were arguing about. I got the first case on Talapus, but nothing since then. I feel there may be a problem with having some many replacements, some wires got crossed.

WTF is this ????

Seriously Doom I''m not even sure how to respond to this. Instead of claiming you blame us for not claiming because there isn't "enough" pressure on you. Then instead of clearing anything up or discussing it further you now want to look at other cases? Dude, this is so out there I must give you props. I can't really even explain this play style if I tried. If you can honestly look at what people have said about you, then read your statement and think for an instant it doesn't look funny then you need your eyes and head examined.

[Iliad]

Yoshi's behaviour is a bit inexplicable. He suggests that he should claim out of the blue, when people ask him why and then he tries to backtrack out of his claim.

At this pouint I don't really see Yoshi not claiming by the end of the day

[DoomYoshi]

Drumroll please...



Town Bomb. That's why I didn't want to be NKed, as we would lose our 100% confirmed townie.

@Saf: you may not have said I was the No. 1 target, but if I recall correctly, others did (including the captain of our merry ship)
@most: I just have a different sense of humour than you guys I guess. Even in RL, people find it hard to read me and tell whether or not I am joking or serious. My last post was just messing with you guys, for the record.

Since you will probably jump down my throat without a name: Simon Tam

[strike wolf]

Simon tam the dead doctor?

[DoomYoshi]

Simon tam the dead doctor?

No that can't be it. Give me a minute on this one, not sure why that name was in my head...

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, I looked through the list of characters, and I am pretty sure I am Tracey Smith. Between tourneys, mafia, and personal communications, I have almost completely lost control of my inbox, so I did lose the pm.

[Anarkistsdream]

Yoshi... Seriously... Maybe you shouldn't be a part of so much crap if you can't keep control of your inbox... You know you can save messages....

Vote: Yoshi...

I don't even care anymore. I have not seen you really contribute anything to this game, and now you are just running all of us around in circles.

[DoomYoshi]

Yoshi... Seriously... Maybe you shouldn't be a part of so much crap if you can't keep control of your inbox... You know you can save messages....

Vote: Yoshi...

I don't even care anymore. I have not seen you really contribute anything to this game, and now you are just running all of us around in circles.

I was actually the one who saved you day 1. Maybe I haven't contributed anything, but we can regress back to when you were about to be lynched if you want.

[Anarkistsdream]

Hahahaha... You 'saved' me? Wow... You're being so juvenile, that my vote certainly stays.

[strike wolf]

I will note that I did indeed know this was Yoshi's claim. I will also note I hadn't considered the possibility that he might be a town bomb which kind of fits the character. At the very least I am a bit skeptical about him even if the claim is real because (only read this if you hav in the show he basically just used his relationship with mal and zoe to try to escape the alliance whom he had double crossed. When that was south he tried to hold the crew hostage. I could say the detailed way it happened but it would be a spoiler. Well more of a spoiler than it already is.

[DoomYoshi]

Hahahaha... You 'saved' me? Wow... You're being so juvenile, that my vote certainly stays.

I am not sure where your anger is coming from Nark. Between admitting defeat earlier and then voting yourself even, I was the first one to step up and defend you. You said you wouldn't mind dying earlier. I am willing to vote you now, since you are not a bomb, we will only lose one potential townie of questionable morality rather than 2.

The absolutely ridiculous part of this is that the reason you were in trouble earlier was because you claimed with no provocation whatsoever!!!
Now you are voting me for the same thing? Seriously, wtf? And yet I am Juvenile...

[DoomYoshi]

Also, since the second part of the case against me is that I made a few (not very funny) jokes, I would like to present exhibit A:

Jesus guys, it's a game. Calm down.

Perhaps your total change of attitude could be since you turned from town to mafia? I can see no other reason for a total shift like this.