[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[Commander9]

Confirm. I'll make another re-read some time soon.

[Commander9]

Well, don't get me wrong and misunderstand me, but I don't have a lot of trust in Vio's gut feeling: almost every time she thinks I'm mafia and pursues that, I always turn out to be town and when she thinks I'm a townie, I turn out to be scum (Just ask her - I'm sure she will admit it). She has been right on some games, but I honestly don't see that much going against Iliad and a gut feeling for me simple is not enough.

@ Shaggy: As Safari said, he's the only 100% confirmed townie. Going after him does not look very good on you.

[DoomYoshi]

The thing about our current situation: there are a lot of scum out there, it is statistically likely that if we hit someone, we might get scum. Why not randomly hit Iliad. It appears Violet is rescinding her support of his lynch though. This leaves us with very few options.

[DoomYoshi]

The thing about our current situation: there are a lot of scum out there, it is statistically likely that if we hit someone, we might get scum. Why not randomly hit Iliad? It appears Violet is rescinding her support of his lynch though. This leaves us with very few options.

EBWOP (just the punctuation change)

[safariguy5]

The thing about our current situation: there are a lot of scum out there, it is statistically likely that if we hit someone, we might get scum. Why not randomly hit Iliad. It appears Violet is rescinding her support of his lynch though. This leaves us with very few options.

I'm going to tentatively agree with this just because there haven't been too many cases this game and town is getting absolutely destroyed in the power role department. I'm pretty sure I'd be decently high on the mafia kill list, but if Vio isn't going to push her case again, I don't think it'd be right to straight push an Iliad lynch and then blame Vio for the results.

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[Commander9]

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

I'm going to tentatively agree with this just because there haven't been too many cases this game and town is getting absolutely destroyed in the power role department. I'm pretty sure I'd be decently high on the mafia kill list, but if Vio isn't going to push her case again, I don't think it'd be right to straight push an Iliad lynch and then blame Vio for the results.

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Pretty much agreed with Safari here - if what, we know that he still has his vig power, so he can always NK Illy should something happen.

[VioIet]

Well, don't get me wrong and misunderstand me, but I don't have a lot of trust in Vio's gut feeling: almost every time she thinks I'm mafia and pursues that, I always turn out to be town and when she thinks I'm a townie, I turn out to be scum (Just ask her - I'm sure she will admit it).

@ Commander: You just had to go there. No further comment.

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

[Commander9]

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

Not completely sure where you saw that I supported a mass claim here?

[VioIet]

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

Not completely sure where you saw that I supported a mass claim here?

Right here. I made it big, so you can see the part I'm referring to.

[Commander9]

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

Not completely sure where you saw that I supported a mass claim here?

Right here. I made it big, so you can see the part I'm referring to.

Well, from all of the people that have already claimed, I believe everyone's claims, so why should I pursue someone who I believe to be town?

[safariguy5]

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

Not completely sure where you saw that I supported a mass claim here?

Right here. I made it big, so you can see the part I'm referring to.

I don't think that was pushing for a massclaim, he meant narrowing down the list of suspects and picking one to build a case on.

[DoomYoshi]

Nark has been gone a while. Perhaps a prod or something is in order?

[Anarkistsdream]

Nark has been gone a while. Perhaps a prod or something is in order?

Sorry, still no Internet... I already posted what I saw with my tracking ability.

Nothing to add right now.

[DoomYoshi]

Anyone else think I should stir up some excitement and discussion by just claiming with no provocation?

[Commander9]

Anyone else think I should stir up some excitement and discussion by just claiming with no provocation?

Not sure if that's such a great idea...

[Talapus]

That sounds more desperate then a thought out idea. I would say no on that for now.

[shieldgenerator7]

wow this game is long. i just finished reading this whole thing. i know it's not my game, I just thought I'd pop in and say hello.
Hello!
ok, I'll be leaving now. Have fun! Go town!

[safariguy5]

Um, let's see, when in doubt, vote a submariner.

unvote vote Streaker

[Anarkistsdream]

Unvote
Vote: Streaker

Bothering to post that you won't be posting but not even claiming for your own benefit is WEAK SAUCE!

[VioIet]

Wow! Well is this the bandwagon that will be following now?

FOS Streaker for now.

Going to hold off a vote until he speaks. Two votes will suffice for pressure.

[Anarkistsdream]

Wow! Well is this the bandwagon that will be following now?

FOS Streaker for now.

Going to hold off a vote until he speaks. Two votes will suffice for pressure.

It's more than two, he has had plenty of time to read and post, and he already said he's not gonna speak...

Are you even reading the thread?

[VioIet]

Yes, I am reading the thread. Are you trying to pressure a vote out of me? It sure seems that way.

If you notice, streaker hasn't been posting in any of his games, not just this one. Not talking because of inactivity, and not talking to try to remain unnoticed are two different things. I'm not sure which it is yet, so I will hold off.

[strike wolf]

Good morning all. This is your captain speaking...well I was your captain...anyways the important thing now is that I am back as Streaker's replacement. I'm still pretty much caught up on the thread but I am a bit busy today so give me some time before I come up with anything too thought filled. Also since my totally awesome role of Captain Malcolm Reynolds died too soon, I am going to be trying to act his part because it is manly and impulsive and you guys didn't get to see enough of him.

[edocsil]

Good morning all. This is your captain speaking...well I was your captain...anyways the important thing now is that I am back as Streaker's replacement. I'm still pretty much caught up on the thread but I am a bit busy today so give me some time before I come up with anything too thought filled. Also since my totally awesome role of Captain Malcolm Reynolds died too soon, I am going to be trying to act his part because it is manly and impulsive and you guys didn't get to see enough of him.

As you can guess Strike replaces Streaker.

[strike wolf]

Anyways, I may have to rush this but I am going to go ahead and try to get my thoughts on the table...Right now I am not sure I want to Vote Doomyoshi and FOS Talapus or Vote Talapus and FOS doomyoshi...

Wow! Well is this the bandwagon that will be following now?

FOS Streaker for now.

Going to hold off a vote until he speaks. Two votes will suffice for pressure.

It's more than two, he has had plenty of time to read and post, and he already said he's not gonna speak...

Are you even reading the thread?

When did he say that? I looked at Streaker's last post in this thread he apologized for falling behind and said he was hoping to catch up today (which apparently didn't happen).

I think today is a fine day to get to the bottom of the Violet/Iliad thing. I really liked the scene description, but I am not sure we have any leftover evidence from yesterday.

I may be biased but to me this looks like someone who knows he is probably going to be the lead suspect today and trying to be proactive to prevent it by picking out an easy case to follow. Even if it is not I really do not advise following this course. People are complaining about how there wasn't much to follow from yesterday, how will voting Iliad so that we can vig kill Vio leave us with any more information tomorrow with both of them dead?

I can agree with this.

Vote: Iliad

Also safari, I strongly suggest you vig kill someone else as I don't see Vio as scum. If you have to, vig kill an inactive.

Again I find this an easy case that will NOT lead to much information and where the hell did this turn around about Vio come from? were you not willing to lead the lynch against her day 1 when you were Wash? Did you not busdrive her with Nark in what I assume was you thinking mafia could target Nark and it would sacrifice Vio to save him? Maybe I am forgetting something but when did this turn around on your opinion of Vio happen?

Ok after looking back over everything there really isn't much to go on with the illy case. He and Vio had it out early on but most of that was weak at best. Illy then became convinced nark was guilty and pushed that for a bit but has since then gone silent. But with the pressure on him he popped up to say hello. The one person who is very absent from the thread in general though is sheep. Like so absent I couldn't even tell you what page his last post was on. So, here is some pressure for you sheep. Why aren't you scum?

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Vote: Sheep

Pressuring inactives is easy. You apparently at least grazed through the thread, couldn't find anything better than to vote an inactive?

And that's the annoying thing. If sheep were to die today/tonight we would learn nothing.

However Iliad, if you were town, I can't understand why the mafia wouldn't kill you in an effort to make Violet look guilty. So I am heavily leaning on at LEAST one of you being scum. One post in frustration is not enough to clear you yet. There may not be a case on day 1, but after a couple days with 2 mafia still out there, the statistics for one of you being mafia is getting higher than 50%. Violet earlier claimed that she is willing to be held accountable for your death. And yet, you have not expressed interest in being held accountable for hers. You haven't even voted on her, in fact (today I mean).

Iliad was right about this post. There is so much wifom in it that it makes my eyes hurt. Can we really assume statistics when we can not prove how many mafia there are?

The thing about our current situation: there are a lot of scum out there, it is statistically likely that if we hit someone, we might get scum. Why not randomly hit Iliad. It appears Violet is rescinding her support of his lynch though. This leaves us with very few options.

Why not at least talk about something where we have good evidence on and increase our chances of hitting mafia today even if we were to eventually pursue this lead?

@ Yoshi:

I understand your thinking here, but I'm not sure I want to do a completely *random* lynch here - I'd rather take a good look at everyone who hasn't claimed and pick the scummiest rather than just picking any one to pressure.

That seems a bit odd commander- as I know you don't normally support mass claims. Why the change of heart? Is that really the direction we want to go now on Day 3?

Not completely sure where you saw that I supported a mass claim here?

Right here. I made it big, so you can see the part I'm referring to.

Umm...that's a big stretch to make that into commander asking for a mass claim...I have no idea how you could have really gotten that from what commander said.

Yes and I would not have role claimed if I hadn't known you to be saying that was the case. I think we are in good standing with the com wagon right now so before we rush the lynch do people want to talk about other suspects?

I definitely think you and I are the only completely cleared people so far. While you said you were 1-shot investigative only, I think I'm probably high on the NK list as both mafia and SKer must be concerned. I kinda doubt getting a doc protection as our doc is dead, so maybe we should come up with a list of possibly suspicious people and I'll choose one and pray they're not town. I think there's a greater than 50% chance I don't live through the night with 2 NK's probable.

I put in blue if I am pretty sure they are town...
1. Mandalorian
3. Streaker
4. Safariguy5
6. Sheepofdumb
7. Anarkistsdream
8. Fircoal
9. Commaner9
10. ShaggyDan
11. Soundman
12. Iliad
13. VioIet
14. Nagerous
15. Campin Killer Replaced by DoomYoshi
16. Strike Wolf

Of those remaining, I would say Mandy was very suspicious day 1 but managed to slip to the sidelines somehow...
The Violet and Iliad thing needs to be investigated tonight perhaps.

unvote vote Commander9

Heh. Commander I believe is Early (based on behavior analysis and a bit of flavor spec on the scene (mal picking up the torn clothe that matches the colors of Early's space uniform and sayingthat he knew who did this). You are towards the top of my list of scum let's examine your post. Me and saf are obvious no need to get into that and nark and fircoal are also fairly clear choices to pick as town as the only other living townies to make a name claim.. Streaker comes out of nowhere he hasn't been particularly active and there's really been nothing to point either way other than a weak case about him being 5th on the naxus wagon. You pointing to him seems very odd. Shaggy is towards the top of my scum list, most of the case was stated yesterday but you may also want to note his sudden reversal on his opinion of the Jayne role after nark claimed. You bandwagoned pretty immediately after you jumped in the game and there is your end of the day behavior to consider. Now you are making a list of possible townies. I can maybe see this as an attempt to put a positive light on at least one of your scum buddies. Possibly both. Though the more advanced logic would say that one is a town role you've thrown in as a smoke screen. fos doomyoshi shaggy and streaker

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night.

I believed he was scum but I had my own reasons. Also like I said I find it less likely you two are aligned together but I do see him as a potential sk.

I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

what I am saying is why label the townies at all? That is ok for people like me and saf even fircoal and nark if you believe their claims but you shouldn't have picked out streaker. And the fact you were able to get a read on him when he barely posted above people who posted a bit more regularly is odd to me.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the

Fair enough this does not dissuade me from my point but the reasoning is decent.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS.

Never was though I did find the timing of your case a bit odd. You said we had done a good job of avoiding each other right after we stepped on each others feet pretty hard for a good section of the previous pages.

Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

Vio's activity levels are decent in this game and I feel she would have been able to claim. That being said I was for a no lynch at the end of day one. You voting iliad out of nowhere was very odd and seemed out of place as I could not see it developping into a sucessful lynch and what other reason would you have to vote? It was also in line with what one of the favored targets for scum was doing and while a small point it was still odd.

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In summary:

FOS doomyoshi, talapus and Vio