South Park Mafia [Scum Win]

[chapcrap]

Remember, anyone who claimed to receive the message could still be:

A) Mafia looking to fit in
B) Chef looking to fit in

Just throwing that out there so we don't exclude any possibilities.

Except for the fact that my identity was already established. As was 40k's. You are the one who announced it. That leaves Yoshi as the only one left. I suppose he could be.

40k, why do you think Tail is scum?

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, a quick google of South Park Soup reveals 2 possibilities: Mr. Twig Soup and Stan's SARS cure. Neither of those stand out to me. Can you propose someone else is making soup, or are you calling saf a liar?

[blakebowling]

Vote Count
chapcrap (1) - evilchaos
kratos644 (1) - chapcrap
Streaker (1) - 40kguy

I'm liking the post activity, and I really don't want to set a deadline. However, I will set one if people feel it is needed.

Also, I will confirm only that safari's vote does not count (for today, at least).

[evilchaos]

First of all, as far as I'm aware, the message is not supposed to make anyone voteless. Second of all, there are 4 recipients - all the boys had to get it. If a particular person is not coming through, it is safe to assume that he has something to hide.

And question to all: Why would you assume that all 4 boys are pro-town?

Well, he didn't mention the message from Chef which was only supposed to be sent to the four boys, so that somewhat confirms him.

@Commander. How do you know for sure the message was sent to all boys? How do you know for sure there will be more messages?

You still can't figure it out?...

Gee.... Definitely not obvious? I am sorry, but if you can't understand and see the role after reading this and you actually need to hear me say that my role is Chef... Well, I have bad news for you.

@Com9: You haven't posted about soup since you overtly claimed. The hints you left obviously were not as clear as you thought, as it wasn't until last page that the majority realized you were claiming Chef. Everything you posted before that I took as random thoughts regarding what the soup might do, because I had know knowledge of your role.

So, what we have here is a few possibilities:

A) You're lieing and you fed bad soup to Saf.
B) Someone else fed your bad soup to Saf.
C) Saf is lieing about why he can't vote.
D) The bad soup was a random game event created by the mod (I find this unlikely).

Other than the last one being unlikely, there isn't much evidence to support or refute any of the first three.

Did your role PM include any info about other characters maybe working in your kitchen Com9?

Read above.

Lying? Do explain, please. There was obsoletely nothing mentioned about any kitchen, other workers, soup or others food. NOTHING. NADA. This possibly could be a secret mod setup that any time I deliver a message to the boys (or perhaps even without it), I make one of them voteless, but I really doubt that scenario.

I never said you were lying. I said someone is lying or there is another person feeding bad soup to people. This is just common sense, but I was writing it out so that everyone realized it and could keep it in mind while reading posts by you, saf, and any potential soup-maker. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything there.

Also, as for how "obvious" it was, I had assumed that you were using common sense before to state that all four boys received the message. I know I did and the other two claimed boys did, so it makes sense that all four boys received the message. That bit didn't confirm you as chef to me, although to be honest, I read them when I was extremely tired which was probably part of the issue.

[DoomYoshi]

I also voted for kratos, and I would like to raise another point.

kratos: Why is it that you claim our "only" case is on 40k. 40k is a confirmed townie.

Also, Chef: why come after Cartman, a poor WASP, when you could instead go after a Jew? As if thousands of years of Jews taking all the money in the world is better than a few things I may have done on a couple of episodes. Just think about: the Jews had the first chance to accept Jesus and yet they REJECTED him. Do you care about Jesus, chef? Do you care about what he has done for you? Fatass.

[Commander9]

Ok, a quick google of South Park Soup reveals 2 possibilities: Mr. Twig Soup and Stan's SARS cure. Neither of those stand out to me. Can you propose someone else is making soup, or are you calling saf a liar?

I have absolutely no idea where that soup came from. Since mod confirmed that safari has no vote, he is not lying (at least about being voteless).

I never said you were lying. I said someone is lying or there is another person feeding bad soup to people. This is just common sense, but I was writing it out so that everyone realized it and could keep it in mind while reading posts by you, saf, and any potential soup-maker. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything there.

Also, as for how "obvious" it was, I had assumed that you were using common sense before to state that all four boys received the message. I know I did and the other two claimed boys did, so it makes sense that all four boys received the message. That bit didn't confirm you as chef to me, although to be honest, I read them when I was extremely tired which was probably part of the issue.

Fair enough. That soup thing still seems extremely peculiar to me, but I don't think we will find out anything more about it until tomorrow.

[safariguy5]

@Commander. How do you know for sure the message was sent to all boys? How do you know for sure there will be more messages?

You still can't figure it out?...

I'm ready to focus on commander for the moment.

Focus on me? With what?

Yeah I have to say chaos...not real good at reading between the lines. So who gave me this bloody awful soup that makes me more useless than a broken anal thermometer?

At least this terrible soup didn't make my mind rot. So I was apparently the only one who picked up on who Com9 is?

I'd think that the soup could come from Wing's Chinese shop, but I have no idea. It seems a bit too overpowered as a mafia role (voteless, roleblocked for the next night, PR, and strongly advised against making cases as part of flavor). Targeting a cop as a mafia member or a doctor could very easily screw town over.

[kratos644]

I also voted for kratos, and I would like to raise another point.

kratos: Why is it that you claim our "only" case is on 40k. 40k is a confirmed townie.

Also, Chef: why come after Cartman, a poor WASP, when you could instead go after a Jew? As if thousands of years of Jews taking all the money in the world is better than a few things I may have done on a couple of episodes. Just think about: the Jews had the first chance to accept Jesus and yet they REJECTED him. Do you care about Jesus, chef? Do you care about what he has done for you? Fatass.

Yoshi if you're going to call me out on things that I say at least call me out for the entirety instead of twisting my words. Yes I said that but it was followed by.

Okay so from what I've read the only actual case seems to be against 40k and honestly with the current information we have it's weak at best unless someone counterclaims. Now if we don't get chef tonight I'm all for having 40k give the message first assuming another one is sent. Unfortunately I don't have anything better to go on from what I've seen so far.

This was because he was acting like a noob and people were going after him because of it. He was switching all over the place and making a lot of useless posts and while yes this could make a case he has claimed to be Stan and we have no counterclaim.

This leaves of 2 options
1.) He's telling the truth so leave it be.
2.) The mod has provided the mafia with one hell of a fake claim.

[DoomYoshi]

It is hardly the only case though. We could pressure either Chef or Cartman, either of whom could be scum. Chap has had some interesting reactionary posts. We could investigate saf's PR somehow. I may have simplified your post, but you simplified the entire thread. I only mentioned the part that I had a problem with. Everything else I agreed with. You have a greeat understanding of the case on 40k, and I appreciate that. However, to call it the the only case is poor judgement. The fact that you reacted so strongly to this is pretty interesting IMO.

[Commander9]

Also, Chef: why come after Cartman, a poor WASP, when you could instead go after a Jew? As if thousands of years of Jews taking all the money in the world is better than a few things I may have done on a couple of episodes. Just think about: the Jews had the first chance to accept Jesus and yet they REJECTED him. Do you care about Jesus, chef? Do you care about what he has done for you? Fatass.

Who said I wasn't a black jew? And I only care about the Show hoster Jesus...

At least this terrible soup didn't make my mind rot. So I was apparently the only one who picked up on who Com9 is?

I'd think that the soup could come from Wing's Chinese shop, but I have no idea. It seems a bit too overpowered as a mafia role (voteless, roleblocked for the next night, PR, and strongly advised against making cases as part of flavor). Targeting a cop as a mafia member or a doctor could very easily screw town over.

Apparently. I have no idea how it could have made it any more obvious.

As far as the soup as a mafia weapon - agreed. You mean you will actually be roleblocked and you're advised against making cases too? Personally, this looks really, really odd.

It is hardly the only case though. We could pressure either Chef or Cartman, either of whom could be scum. Chap has had some interesting reactionary posts. We could investigate saf's PR somehow. I may have simplified your post, but you simplified the entire thread. I only mentioned the part that I had a problem with. Everything else I agreed with. You have a greeat understanding of the case on 40k, and I appreciate that. However, to call it the the only case is poor judgement. The fact that you reacted so strongly to this is pretty interesting IMO.

First of all, you are Cartman... So you are suggesting pressuring yourself? As far as pressuring me... It would make absolutely no sense:

A) I have already revealed the character's name and role - there's nothing more I can offer. You either believe it or you don't.
B) Through-out the whole series I do not remember a single bad thing that was done by Chef... There's absolutely no basis on it. You also know it can't be a fake claim due to the message.

[chapcrap]

First of all, I didn't realize that I had a vote out. But I'll leave it because I don't think I have any reason to take it off of kratos.

Secondly, I don't understand the threatening messages from Chef and all the soup comments if Chef is not a scum. I know that he is a nice guy in the show, but these messages and saf's soup stuff makes Chef seem really fishy. It throws me off even further that Com9 is claiming Chef when it seems that Chef is obvious choice right now.

[Commander9]

First of all, I didn't realize that I had a vote out. But I'll leave it because I don't think I have any reason to take it off of kratos.

Secondly, I don't understand the threatening messages from Chef and all the soup comments if Chef is not a scum. I know that he is a nice guy in the show, but these messages and saf's soup stuff makes Chef seem really fishy. It throws me off even further that Com9 is claiming Chef when it seems that Chef is obvious choice right now.

Have you ever heard of humor? I really didn't have nothing game-changing to say, so I've decided to post something that would entertain me - and I did. Furthermore, there was no threatening - I simply said that "I'm coming after Cartman." Knowing Cartman's rather dubious morals and his possibility as a scum, I can't understand why you interpret this as scummy.

Do you really think that as an experienced player as I am who is supposedly scum would just decide to send a message to boys revealing how evil he is and then poison the soup?...

[lalaland]

First of all, I didn't realize that I had a vote out. But I'll leave it because I don't think I have any reason to take it off of kratos.

Secondly, I don't understand the threatening messages from Chef and all the soup comments if Chef is not a scum. I know that he is a nice guy in the show, but these messages and saf's soup stuff makes Chef seem really fishy. It throws me off even further that Com9 is claiming Chef when it seems that Chef is obvious choice right now.

Have you ever heard of humor? I really didn't have nothing game-changing to say, so I've decided to post something that would entertain me - and I did. Furthermore, there was no threatening - I simply said that "I'm coming after Cartman." Knowing Cartman's rather dubious morals and his possibility as a scum, I can't understand why you interpret this as scummy.

Do you really think that as an experienced player as I am who is supposedly scum would just decide to send a message to boys revealing how evil he is and then poison the soup?...

If you wanted to set up a WIFOM setup.

I feel like Chef and Cartman are not both on the same side, which means one of the two of Doom and Com9 are either 3rd party or mafia. To me, in light of the whole soup - but - message thing, and what I've heard of from Chef in the series, 3rd party would make more sense for him than mafia, but could still be a worthy target for today.
In terms of Cartman/Doom, not quite sure what to think, and seems like a good investigation target.

[safariguy5]

First of all, I didn't realize that I had a vote out. But I'll leave it because I don't think I have any reason to take it off of kratos.

Secondly, I don't understand the threatening messages from Chef and all the soup comments if Chef is not a scum. I know that he is a nice guy in the show, but these messages and saf's soup stuff makes Chef seem really fishy. It throws me off even further that Com9 is claiming Chef when it seems that Chef is obvious choice right now.

Have you ever heard of humor? I really didn't have nothing game-changing to say, so I've decided to post something that would entertain me - and I did. Furthermore, there was no threatening - I simply said that "I'm coming after Cartman." Knowing Cartman's rather dubious morals and his possibility as a scum, I can't understand why you interpret this as scummy.

Do you really think that as an experienced player as I am who is supposedly scum would just decide to send a message to boys revealing how evil he is and then poison the soup?...

If you wanted to set up a WIFOM setup.

I feel like Chef and Cartman are not both on the same side, which means one of the two of Doom and Com9 are either 3rd party or mafia. To me, in light of the whole soup - but - message thing, and what I've heard of from Chef in the series, 3rd party would make more sense for him than mafia, but could still be a worthy target for today.
In terms of Cartman/Doom, not quite sure what to think, and seems like a good investigation target.

The terrible soup has left me weak and almost useless for now.

Well I really don't think that either Cartman or Chef would be the best target as they're not clear cut "bad guys" per se. While Cartman is self serving, he's not out and out evil all the time. A clear mafia member to me might be someone like Saddam or Mecha Barbara Streisand or Tom Cruise.

[lalaland]

So, you're saying that we should construct a whole new case for today? Or still keep going on the soup thing?
Doesn't it seem like it might be counterproductive to start from scratch today?

[kratos644]

It is hardly the only case though. We could pressure either Chef or Cartman, either of whom could be scum. Chap has had some interesting reactionary posts. We could investigate saf's PR somehow. I may have simplified your post, but you simplified the entire thread. I only mentioned the part that I had a problem with. Everything else I agreed with. You have a greeat understanding of the case on 40k, and I appreciate that. However, to call it the the only case is poor judgement. The fact that you reacted so strongly to this is pretty interesting IMO.

Sigh, these are all new cases that have risen as of late though. When I said "the only case" I didn't say it as hey I think this is the only case we should even bother looking at I said it as hey this looks like the only case anyone is trying to push at the moment but it's a fairly weak case... I didn't really react strongly either? I think you're adding emotions behind my words that aren't there
Anyway.

I do agree that either Cartman or Chef is 3rd party/mafia and Cartman would seem a more likely candidate for not being pro town but I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him mafia at the moment so for now we'll just have to watch yoshi and see if he does anything scummy we can go off of.

[evilchaos]

This weekend, I'm going to take a few hours and read every person's posts individually. I'll make a small write up on what seems town motivated and what seems scum motivated from each person. Hopefully this can give us a good case or two.

[safariguy5]

So, you're saying that we should construct a whole new case for today? Or still keep going on the soup thing?
Doesn't it seem like it might be counterproductive to start from scratch today?

The terrible soup has robbed me of my powers, but not my brain.

I'm saying that I don't think the person who gave me the soup is mafia, and that I can't see Chef as a mafia role. Cartman could be third party or maybe lyncher, but mafia doesn't seem too likely for him either. While it might not be the easiest thing to do, and we're bordering on massclaiming already, I don't think that pressuring Chef or Cartman is going to find mafia.

[/]

I don't really understand why you are dead set on finding "mafia" Safari, with such an odd and zany setting the possibilities are endless, this is a 13 player game and there is no guarantee there is a "mafia" rather than a serial killer, a cult, lynchers, or any other anti town possibility, all we know is there was a kill last night, and as has been said it could have very well been some "Christmas poo" vigilante, though one would assume it anti town considering the target...

I'm getting a gut feeling for cult personally, south park goes with crazy cult type behavior like every ten episodes (anything from wall-mart to metrosexuals), while on the other hand using organized crime type groups fairly often too, typically doesn't make them outright "kill everything" groups.
and while both Cartman and Chef have been parts of cults before, Cartman far more typically leads them, or any crime wave for that matter. (KFC smugglers, systematic Mel Gibson based genocide, Coon and Friends, etc)
Vote Doom, can you tell us anything more about your role?

[chapcrap]

I don't really understand why you are dead set on finding "mafia" Safari, with such an odd and zany setting the possibilities are endless, this is a 13 player game and there is no guarantee there is a "mafia" rather than a serial killer, a cult, lynchers, or any other anti town possibility, all we know is there was a kill last night, and as has been said it could have very well been some "Christmas poo" vigilante, though one would assume it anti town considering the target...

I'm getting a gut feeling for cult personally, south park goes with crazy cult type behavior like every ten episodes (anything from wall-mart to metrosexuals), while on the other hand using organized crime type groups fairly often too, typically doesn't make them outright "kill everything" groups.
and while both Cartman and Chef have been parts of cults before, Cartman far more typically leads them, or any crime wave for that matter. (KFC smugglers, systematic Mel Gibson based genocide, Coon and Friends, etc)
Vote Doom, can you tell us anything more about your role?

Voting for Doom? First post in forever and that's what you go with? Feels like a scum move to me.

[DoomYoshi]

I don't really understand why you are dead set on finding "mafia" Safari, with such an odd and zany setting the possibilities are endless, this is a 13 player game and there is no guarantee there is a "mafia" rather than a serial killer, a cult, lynchers, or any other anti town possibility, all we know is there was a kill last night, and as has been said it could have very well been some "Christmas poo" vigilante, though one would assume it anti town considering the target...

I'm getting a gut feeling for cult personally, south park goes with crazy cult type behavior like every ten episodes (anything from wall-mart to metrosexuals), while on the other hand using organized crime type groups fairly often too, typically doesn't make them outright "kill everything" groups.
and while both Cartman and Chef have been parts of cults before, Cartman far more typically leads them, or any crime wave for that matter. (KFC smugglers, systematic Mel Gibson based genocide, Coon and Friends, etc)
Vote Doom, can you tell us anything more about your role?

I don't think a couple of votes are enough for a claim. Clearly, you have Gingervitis.

[evilchaos]

I don't really understand why you are dead set on finding "mafia" Safari, with such an odd and zany setting the possibilities are endless, this is a 13 player game and there is no guarantee there is a "mafia" rather than a serial killer, a cult, lynchers, or any other anti town possibility, all we know is there was a kill last night, and as has been said it could have very well been some "Christmas poo" vigilante, though one would assume it anti town considering the target...

I'm getting a gut feeling for cult personally, south park goes with crazy cult type behavior like every ten episodes (anything from wall-mart to metrosexuals), while on the other hand using organized crime type groups fairly often too, typically doesn't make them outright "kill everything" groups.
and while both Cartman and Chef have been parts of cults before, Cartman far more typically leads them, or any crime wave for that matter. (KFC smugglers, systematic Mel Gibson based genocide, Coon and Friends, etc)
Vote Doom, can you tell us anything more about your role?

This post concerns me, and I'm going to read back through all your posts tomorrow when I have some more time.

For this post, / does two things. First, he speculates about game setup:

Possible Town Motivation: Random Curiosity or too lazy to build cases
Possible Scum Motivation: Distract from real scum-hunting

I doubt / is randomly curious (he's experienced, isn't he?) or too lazy if he's town, so scum motivation is more likely to me.

Second, he votes Yoshi for pressure:

Possible Town Motivation: Applying pressure.
Possible Scum Motivation: Placing a "safe" vote on someone who has a name claim whose alignment is questionable. Gives the appearance that he read through the entire thread and is scum-hunting when in fact he provided no new information or analysis (or any argument at all really).

Scum motivation is more likely because a townie would provide more post analysis and reasoning before voting.

[chapcrap]

I don't really understand why you are dead set on finding "mafia" Safari, with such an odd and zany setting the possibilities are endless, this is a 13 player game and there is no guarantee there is a "mafia" rather than a serial killer, a cult, lynchers, or any other anti town possibility, all we know is there was a kill last night, and as has been said it could have very well been some "Christmas poo" vigilante, though one would assume it anti town considering the target...

I'm getting a gut feeling for cult personally, south park goes with crazy cult type behavior like every ten episodes (anything from wall-mart to metrosexuals), while on the other hand using organized crime type groups fairly often too, typically doesn't make them outright "kill everything" groups.
and while both Cartman and Chef have been parts of cults before, Cartman far more typically leads them, or any crime wave for that matter. (KFC smugglers, systematic Mel Gibson based genocide, Coon and Friends, etc)
Vote Doom, can you tell us anything more about your role?

This post concerns me, and I'm going to read back through all your posts tomorrow when I have some more time.

For this post, / does two things. First, he speculates about game setup:

Possible Town Motivation: Random Curiosity or too lazy to build cases
Possible Scum Motivation: Distract from real scum-hunting

I doubt / is randomly curious (he's experienced, isn't he?) or too lazy if he's town, so scum motivation is more likely to me.

Second, he votes Yoshi for pressure:

Possible Town Motivation: Applying pressure.
Possible Scum Motivation: Placing a "safe" vote on someone who has a name claim whose alignment is questionable. Gives the appearance that he read through the entire thread and is scum-hunting when in fact he provided no new information or analysis (or any argument at all really).

Scum motivation is more likely because a townie would provide more post analysis and reasoning before voting.

We're on the same page evil.

vote /

[chapcrap]

We're on the same page evil.

vote /

unvote vote /

[evilchaos]

[For this post, / does two things. First, he speculates about game setup:

Possible Town Motivation: Random Curiosity or too lazy to build cases
Possible Scum Motivation: Distract from real scum-hunting

I doubt / is randomly curious (he's experienced, isn't he?) or too lazy if he's town, so scum motivation is more likely to me.

EBWOP: And on this note, we should all stop speculating about game setup. Speculating whether or not a given character is scum is nearly impossible in South Park, and is almost always useless in any Mafia game because the mod will try to throw you off sometimes. In addition, we don't know what scum we're facing (cult, mafia, etc.) and we have no way of knowing. Every post speculating about the setup is a post where you aren't scumhunting. Speculating about the setup of the game for as long as many of us have been is pointless and a scum tell.

And I realize I've done this a bit too, and I can chalk that up to noobiness. i only just had it explained to me a day or two ago on another forum how this type of discussion never helps the town. Now that I realize this, I'm fully ready to move on to the normal scum-hunting of any Mafia game instead of the crazy South Park speculation that this thread has been so far.