[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[ShaggyDan]

Hmm, that was a waste of time... absolutely nothing of substance posted by mandy or tailgunner.

[DoomYoshi]

And that's the annoying thing. If sheep were to die today/tonight we would learn nothing.

However Iliad, if you were town, I can't understand why the mafia wouldn't kill you in an effort to make Violet look guilty. So I am heavily leaning on at LEAST one of you being scum. One post in frustration is not enough to clear you yet. There may not be a case on day 1, but after a couple days with 2 mafia still out there, the statistics for one of you being mafia is getting higher than 50%. Violet earlier claimed that she is willing to be held accountable for your death. And yet, you have not expressed interest in being held accountable for hers. You haven't even voted on her, in fact (today I mean).

[Iliad]

And that's the annoying thing. If sheep were to die today/tonight we would learn nothing.

However Iliad, if you were town, I can't understand why the mafia wouldn't kill you in an effort to make Violet look guilty.

Wow. You do realise that's a WIFOM within a WIFOM?
The mafia would plan to kill me, trying to implicate Vio, except then they knew that she would simply claim WIFOM to dispel this guilt, so they knew this so tehy planned not to kill me, however that means that someone else could WIFOM either of them into guilt, so they knew this and .... wifom within wifom until your head spins.

Also that little fact that in this mafia we've uncovered town power role after another, making your arugment very flimsy but at least it is an argument.

I find it much more intriguing that Vio, although at the same time admitting that she has no case against is me is still willing to lynch me, though much more hesistant about her own life than others give her credit.

Guess we do need a few more people co come down here and participate.

[DoomYoshi]

And that's the annoying thing. If sheep were to die today/tonight we would learn nothing.

However Iliad, if you were town, I can't understand why the mafia wouldn't kill you in an effort to make Violet look guilty.

Wow. You do realise that's a WIFOM within a WIFOM?
The mafia would plan to kill me, trying to implicate Vio, except then they knew that she would simply claim WIFOM to dispel this guilt, so they knew this so tehy planned not to kill me, however that means that someone else could WIFOM either of them into guilt, so they knew this and .... wifom within wifom until your head spins.

Good point. I give the point up.

Also that little fact that in this mafia we've uncovered town power role after another, making your arugment very flimsy but at least it is an argument.

How does this make my argument flimsy? With many power roles, it is more likely that there are a larger number of mafia, thus making my case stronger: that either you or Vio is scum.

I find it much more intriguing that Vio, although at the same time admitting that she has no case against is me is still willing to lynch me, though much more hesistant about her own life than others give her credit.

She has admitted that her case is based on gut feeling, not that there is no case at all.

Guess we do need a few more people co come down here and participate.

You speak the truth in this last bit.

[safariguy5]

I think today is a fine day to get to the bottom of the Violet/Iliad thing. I really liked the scene description, but I am not sure we have any leftover evidence from yesterday.

As Illiad already said earlier there wasn't really a case. There was a distracting exchange of posts that ultimately achieved nothing. Yes, it was putting pressure on someone who was seemingly inactive, but there are many cases of that around. It really seems like you were just going with a 'guess we'll do this now' kind of vote instead of putting on a vote.

A moderate sized FoS on DoomYoshi and Safariguy and a smaller FoS on Tal. Not enough for me to vote any of them, just seems a little off to me.

Anyway, now that we have a few ideas as to who was town / maf from the deaths I'm going to re-read to see if I can find any connections between those already dead.

Did you forget that I'm the freaking confirmed and claimed town Vig? And you might have missed the part where I told Vio the only reason I'd go along with her gut feeling is if she was held responsible if Illy is town.

So the only way Iliad can feel frustrated is if he's town and he believes Vio is town also. I've already made my intentions clear that Vio is going to die if Iliad flips town, so if Vio is scum, then Iliad just traded 1 town for 1 mafia, not the worst outcome. Yet, I've seen nothing from Iliad to indicate he believes Vio to be town, so I don't see how he would be frustrated unless he's scum and getting lynched on a weak case.

[ShaggyDan]

Did you forget that I'm the freaking confirmed and claimed town Vig? And you might have missed the part where I told Vio the only reason I'd go along with her gut feeling is if she was held responsible if Illy is town.

So the only way Iliad can feel frustrated is if he's town and he believes Vio is town also. I've already made my intentions clear that Vio is going to die if Iliad flips town, so if Vio is scum, then Iliad just traded 1 town for 1 mafia, not the worst outcome. Yet, I've seen nothing from Iliad to indicate he believes Vio to be town, so I don't see how he would be frustrated unless he's scum and getting lynched on a weak case.

Sorry, was just posting my initial suspiscion to the bandwagon, didn't cross-reference that post with who is who. If I see something I think is suspiscious I'll chuck a FoS out regardless of what is confirmed or not. Also you may be a confirmed Zoey but until we know the full set-up of the game you're not 100% cleared of being harmful to town (though it is certainly the most likely situation bordering on definite).

I would like to hear Violet weigh in with a brief refresher of her case on Illiad, seeing as people are saying that there were mistakes in her initial case I'd like to see where she stands now. Though with Vio saying she'll be held responsible if Illiad is town I wouldn't believe that as a staple point for a case. I've seen this situation before where they were both town and subsequently both got lynched. With them butting heads early on and continuing till now it does deserve being looked into. There are 4 possible combinations between the two:

1. Vio is town, Illiad is town. Cases get built between 2 town members all the time, a possibility.

2. Vio is town, Illiad is scum. Vio saw something D1 and followed through with it.

3. Vio is scum, Illiad is town. Vio tried to remove pressure from someone D1 or just picked a random town target and attacked them.

4. Vio is scum, Illiad is scum. The only way I can see this being viable is if we believe she was trying to bus him at the start. I think this is unlikely.

In my opinion the odds of 1, 2 and 3 are all fairly close. So I would like to hear more from Illiad's case before making a judgement.

Also I find it odd that people are admitting the case is weak yet still applying pressure without adding much substance.

[safariguy5]

I'm pretty sure that dayscene is about as clear a confirmation as you're going to get. Also, my lover was town, and I'm pretty sure we're the same alignment, no mafia town lover mechanic here.

And you don't know how much I had to restrain myself from shooting someone Night 1. But good vigs hold their fire if they're not sure. The reason I took a shot on Night 2 was because I was sure I was going to get targeted for a NK from mafia as I'm the biggest confirmed town threat to them. And the only reason I'd vig Vio is because she staked her life to Illy lynch panning out.

2/3 possibility we get at least 1 scum, I like those odds.

[DoomYoshi]

It is possible that they are both scum... they could just be different scums (lyncher and mafia, for instance). Saf you know full well that the odds aren't actually 2/3.

[Iliad]

I'm pretty sure that dayscene is about as clear a confirmation as you're going to get. Also, my lover was town, and I'm pretty sure we're the same alignment, no mafia town lover mechanic here.

And you don't know how much I had to restrain myself from shooting someone Night 1. But good vigs hold their fire if they're not sure. The reason I took a shot on Night 2 was because I was sure I was going to get targeted for a NK from mafia as I'm the biggest confirmed town threat to them. And the only reason I'd vig Vio is because she staked her life to Illy lynch panning out.

2/3 possibility we get at least 1 scum, I like those odds.

Using your theory of probability we could also lynch you. 50% chance you are somehow lying, 50% chance you're not

[safariguy5]

It is possible that they are both scum... they could just be different scums (lyncher and mafia, for instance). Saf you know full well that the odds aren't actually 2/3.

I'm referring to Shaggy's post above where he thinks 1, 2, and 3 are all possible.

[Talapus]

Ok mod, can we get a prod out sheeps way so we know he's still alive? lol

[edocsil]

It is sent

[Talapus]

Wow, this game is dying fast here isn't it.....lol. Still waiting on sheep huh? I say we give him one more day and then replace him. Hard to figure out who is scum if he won't talk to us...lol

[safariguy5]

I wouldn't mind Vio coming in here and saying whether or not she wants to continue to pursue Iliad?

[Talapus]

I wouldn't mind Vio coming in here and saying whether or not she wants to continue to pursue Iliad?

She's online, it would be nice to hear from her

[edocsil]

He read his pm promptly, will give him another 24 hours

[Commander9]

Wow, this game is dying fast here isn't it.....lol. Still waiting on sheep huh? I say we give him one more day and then replace him. Hard to figure out who is scum if he won't talk to us...lol

Well, you killed all of the active ones

[strike wolf]

Like me...

[VioIet]

I wouldn't mind Vio coming in here and saying whether or not she wants to continue to pursue Iliad?

Gosh, well it looks like I have no choice, as all of Day 3's discussion has been about me and Illiad- give and take a few post about sheep.

I believe i had mixed this game up with Apocalypse, because on Day 1, I thought Illiad was acting exactly like the abomination, because he had made fun of my PR a lot. I couldn't help it that i was cast as Tom Cruise. So in this game, when he was reluctant to leave the joke vote stage, I knew he was scared, because he now had to lean on a strategy- and couldn't get through the game based on a joke or PR. So i felt it may have been an indicator that he was scum. Also the way he phrased it- just really seemed odd, and it got some questioning from others- not just me. I just talked about it the longest- and turned it into a case. Then Illiad defended himself, and construed a case against me- that had better logic. So I kept rehashing my case, as a way to defend myself and try to take pressure of me, and keep it on him.

And yes, i know that sounded all mixed-up I mixed up the games.
That is why I eventually backed away a bit from my case- and then had to mostly defend myself, as Tal was applying a lot of pressure on me.

On Day 2- it seemed as though I might have been pursuing the wrong path, when strike got the guilty on commander. So i didn't discuss Illiad at all that day, and just focused on Commander. That turned out to be a good thing, in retrospect.

So now, about safari. On Day 1, he asked me if i would be willing to die if illiad turned out to be town.
I hated that question- and the only thing I could say was yes. It would have looked very bad for me to say no. I wanted to say no, because i have no idea if i'm right, and if Illiad is really scum. Its all speculation- until you know for sure what roles the mod handed out. And just like that- easily two townies could be dead. I was already wrong on Day 1- when i stated that I thought Fir was the SK. No one paid attention to that- and then on Day 2- it turned out that i was wrong anyway, since it was commander. I hadn't perceived any scum tells on commander, prior to strike's investigation.

So i said yes to saf; that i would be willing to die if Illiad turned up to be town. Of course, this is an easy way for two townies to die. Its a hard thing to say, without knowing his role for sure. As I said, it is just a gut-feeling. Sometimes I'm right, and sometimes I'm wrong.

My case on Illiad was originally meant to help get the game started. It was early in the game; not much to go on. And besides, i didn't have much to add to the Fir case, except that I thought he was the SK- so i just stuck with my case on Illiad. I also had a mini-unpopular case on sheep, that I quickly dropped.

[edocsil]

So if sheep hasn't been on by tomorrow I will replace him. Does anyone care to be a replacement?

[Commander9]

So if sheep hasn't been on by tomorrow I will replace him. Does anyone care to be a replacement?

I would love to.

[edocsil]

So if sheep hasn't been on by tomorrow I will replace him. Does anyone care to be a replacement?

I would love to.

Perfect, you're up then. Will send a pm in the morning to you (my time) if he hasn't posted.

[Commander9]

Perfect, you're up then. Will send a pm in the morning to you (my time) if he hasn't posted.

I hope he won't

[edocsil]

Well, It's replacement time. Role coming Com

[DoomYoshi]

vote commander9 welcome to the game!