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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] WTF?!?

Postby evilchaos on Mon May 30, 2011 12:21 pm

There are no Spades. Seems odd.

Also, Rodion was not a suit (Jack of Trades [Town Badass]). It seems unlikely to me that Victor made all players but one a suit. Someone with a different type of name probably fake claimed, I would guess. Not sure how the knowledge really helps us. :\
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] WTF?!?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon May 30, 2011 2:33 pm

I think this day has dragged on long enough. Deadline Thursday!

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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby kratos644 on Mon May 30, 2011 9:39 pm

Okay a deadline. Now we can get our work under pressure going. Lol I can see how a club would definitely be a serial killer. That could make sense. So assuming the mafia gets a kill tonight, that will make 1 kill tonight and 1 kill tomorrow which will put us down to 3 town 1 third party and 2 mafia. So I guess we have 2 options. Lynch Haggis and hope that we can make a lynch on mafia tomorrow or make a random kill tonight and hope we get mafia. What do you think?
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 pm

kratos644 wrote:Okay a deadline. Now we can get our work under pressure going. Lol I can see how a club would definitely be a serial killer. That could make sense. So assuming the mafia gets a kill tonight, that will make 1 kill tonight and 1 kill tomorrow which will put us down to 3 town 1 third party and 2 mafia. So I guess we have 2 options. Lynch Haggis and hope that we can make a lynch on mafia tomorrow or make a random kill tonight and hope we get mafia. What do you think?


Make a random kill tonight? I say we lynch Haggis. He generated a lot of heat yesterday but has been extremely silent today.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Fircoal on Mon May 30, 2011 10:06 pm

Ok there is 1 thing that I'm pretty sure on: Talapus is NOT town, whether or not he's mafia or SK I do not know but I do not believe that he's town. Let's go down the list.

1. Talapus tries to claim Haggis off as 3rd party. This is scummy for so many different reasons. First off as I explained earlier the ones we have to be after at a time like this aren’t the 3rd party but rather the mafia. If we kill an SK right now that means the mafia can run right through us. The only thing going in Tal’s favor here is the fact that Shield joined the game. That does give us room to kill the 3rd party as we now have 7 players instead of 6. That is so to say we aren’t in lylo. At the time however Tal didn’t know this and probably tried to use it so that we’d lynch an unimportant (if you believe Tal killing a 3rd party with 6 alive lets the mafia just win, if you don’t then we’re just killing an innocent.) If he was mafia this’d allow them to make another kill and easily win the game. However I think there is another possible reason for this move.

2. Let’s think about it there’s another motive that Tal could have had for pulling out that Haggis is a 3rd party. I mean look at what Tal tried to do with the information. His main goal was to try to get a name claim out of Haggis? But why? The answer is simple. He saw the NPC’s death name, and thought of a possible pattern. Then upon seeing Roidon’s death he wondered about this pattern. He had to test whether or not it existed in the game. In a sense he used this fake investigation to make sure it looked like he was town if and when he claimed. It was a nice way to get name information without making it look like he wanted name information. In fact I aided him because I got confused. However even with this information he made one crucial mistake. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO CLAIM DIAMONDS! I didn’t think anything much of this until someone noted that there weren’t any spades. Then it hit me. Talapus is a spade and not-town. He noticed his name and the NPC name and that’s how he came up with the pattern. Rodion’s death sent him into doubt and so he had to make sure that this is how the theme worked. Then when he claimed he claimed Diamonds because he knew that it would be a town suit. However no one else had diamonds. It seems Victor used it only for the first scene. Also notice how Talapus never told us his name, that’s probably because he couldn’t think of a good one. Also look at what Tal did after Haggis unvoted; he basically put him on the backburner and only posted a couple of references largely forgetting about him and his importance.

Yes this looks pretty bad for Talapus. Although I’m not 100% sure he is a spade, it’s either that or he had an unrelated name just like Rodion did. I would also guess that it’s likely two of our fellow hearts and clubs are lying, likely each member picked a different suit to throw us off.

3. Tal is leading us to pay attention to shield instead of the game, considering the deadline was a near possibility it’s clear to see why he did this. He wants to stall us to another no lynch without actually trying to seem to stall us. But I won’t be fooled. This questioning of Shield isn’t going to be what’ll net us the most information. It’s the questioning of Talapus!!

I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO VOTE TALUPUS FOR QUICKIE MAFIA DAY 2 LYNCH!
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby evilchaos on Mon May 30, 2011 10:21 pm

That's a decent case (the best we have at the moment, anyway). Response Tal?
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:32 pm

Fircoal wrote:Ok there is 1 thing that I'm pretty sure on: Talapus is NOT town, whether or not he's mafia or SK I do not know but I do not believe that he's town. Let's go down the list.

1. Talapus tries to claim Haggis off as 3rd party. This is scummy for so many different reasons. First off as I explained earlier the ones we have to be after at a time like this aren’t the 3rd party but rather the mafia. If we kill an SK right now that means the mafia can run right through us. The only thing going in Tal’s favor here is the fact that Shield joined the game. That does give us room to kill the 3rd party as we now have 7 players instead of 6. That is so to say we aren’t in lylo. At the time however Tal didn’t know this and probably tried to use it so that we’d lynch an unimportant (if you believe Tal killing a 3rd party with 6 alive lets the mafia just win, if you don’t then we’re just killing an innocent.) If he was mafia this’d allow them to make another kill and easily win the game. However I think there is another possible reason for this move.

2. Let’s think about it there’s another motive that Tal could have had for pulling out that Haggis is a 3rd party. I mean look at what Tal tried to do with the information. His main goal was to try to get a name claim out of Haggis? But why? The answer is simple. He saw the NPC’s death name, and thought of a possible pattern. Then upon seeing Roidon’s death he wondered about this pattern. He had to test whether or not it existed in the game. In a sense he used this fake investigation to make sure it looked like he was town if and when he claimed. It was a nice way to get name information without making it look like he wanted name information. In fact I aided him because I got confused. However even with this information he made one crucial mistake. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO CLAIM DIAMONDS! I didn’t think anything much of this until someone noted that there weren’t any spades. Then it hit me. Talapus is a spade and not-town. He noticed his name and the NPC name and that’s how he came up with the pattern. Rodion’s death sent him into doubt and so he had to make sure that this is how the theme worked. Then when he claimed he claimed Diamonds because he knew that it would be a town suit. However no one else had diamonds. It seems Victor used it only for the first scene. Also notice how Talapus never told us his name, that’s probably because he couldn’t think of a good one. Also look at what Tal did after Haggis unvoted; he basically put him on the backburner and only posted a couple of references largely forgetting about him and his importance.

Yes this looks pretty bad for Talapus. Although I’m not 100% sure he is a spade, it’s either that or he had an unrelated name just like Rodion did. I would also guess that it’s likely two of our fellow hearts and clubs are lying, likely each member picked a different suit to throw us off.

3. Tal is leading us to pay attention to shield instead of the game, considering the deadline was a near possibility it’s clear to see why he did this. He wants to stall us to another no lynch without actually trying to seem to stall us. But I won’t be fooled. This questioning of Shield isn’t going to be what’ll net us the most information. It’s the questioning of Talapus!!

I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO VOTE TALUPUS FOR QUICKIE MAFIA DAY 2 LYNCH!



:lol: nice one chu. But you're points are all wrong. And I'm definitely not a Spade. The fact that I'm the only diamond in this game and I lost my kid at the bicycle store murder should more then clear up I'm town. I will though go even farther and say that yes, Haggis is third party but I think I can fix it without issues. Right now two people in this game are lying. I assume first and foremost that Doom is one of them as he was the last one to claim. Who ihs partner is I have no idea. I still buys chu's claim because he did claim first and it sounds right up the ally of the roles Sully handed out.

I know I am putting my ass on the line by doing this but at this point we need to make a decision or lose. I have the nightly ability to convert someone to town. Whether haggis is an SK, who knows. But at this point I will say I will target him tonight and bring him over for us. However that still leaves 2 scum amongst us. My money is on Doom all the way at this point for one of them.

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We cannot afford a no lynch and anyone who can read should be able to realize as I'm the only claimed Diamond I am town as my kid was town. As for putting Haggis on the backburner according to Fircoal, yes, he's right I did that. With my ability I had every intention of converting him tonight so figured I would focus attention elsewhere. Odds are good though now I may not be able to use that ability or get offed in the night. But, I will give it my best shot and hope that if Haggis is and SK and I can convert him then we get a town vig.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:33 pm

So, Unvote(If needed)
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon May 30, 2011 10:34 pm

Fircoal, you have presented two cases this game. One was on me, in response to my claiming that Haggis was suspicious.

The second one is on Talapus, who is also advocating a Haggis lynch. I don't mean to take away from your points, they are solid points, but it is beginning to look like you are defending Haggis.

Also, could you reexplain point 1 on your Talapus case? I didn't quite get how lynching an SK would ever be a bad thing...
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:38 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Also, could you reexplain point 1 on your Talapus case? I didn't quite get how lynching an SK would ever be a bad thing...


It really wouldn't be a bad thing but we aren't sure thats what he is. My assumption is thats what he is, but can't prove it. But if we can convert him then it won't be a problem. We would get a town vig.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon May 30, 2011 10:41 pm

Talapus wrote: :lol: nice one chu. But you're points are all wrong. And I'm definitely not a Spade. The fact that I'm the only diamond in this game and I lost my kid at the bicycle store murder should more then clear up I'm town. I will though go even farther and say that yes, Haggis is third party but I think I can fix it without issues. Right now two people in this game are lying. I assume first and foremost that Doom is one of them as he was the last one to claim. Who ihs partner is I have no idea. I still buys chu's claim because he did claim first and it sounds right up the ally of the roles Sully handed out.

I know I am putting my ass on the line by doing this but at this point we need to make a decision or lose. I have the nightly ability to convert someone to town. Whether haggis is an SK, who knows. But at this point I will say I will target him tonight and bring him over for us. However that still leaves 2 scum amongst us. My money is on Doom all the way at this point for one of them.

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We cannot afford a no lynch and anyone who can read should be able to realize as I'm the only claimed Diamond I am town as my kid was town. As for putting Haggis on the backburner according to Fircoal, yes, he's right I did that. With my ability I had every intention of converting him tonight so figured I would focus attention elsewhere. Odds are good though now I may not be able to use that ability or get offed in the night. But, I will give it my best shot and hope that if Haggis is and SK and I can convert him then we get a town vig.


Forgive me for not jumping headfirst into a massclaim. It's not like the names mean anything to anyone in any case. I have no partner because I am not mafia. Are you sure you can convert him? This seems like you are trying to get another round of NKs out there since the first one turned out poorly. Since you are practically claimed already, who did you convert already?
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:42 pm

Come to think of it Doom, point one against me in Fircoals case is weak at best. I actually pointed out sheilds showing up before others even noticed. I did it because I saw the question mark and was suspicious. Maybe it is the chu that is scum and telling us not to worry about lynching the SK. That would explain a lot because with in SK it increaes the mafias odds of offing town. So chu, now I'm not so sure about you. Your lets leave the SK in the game makes a lot more sense if you are mafia.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:47 pm

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Forgive me for not jumping headfirst into a massclaim. It's not like the names mean anything to anyone in any case. I have no partner because I am not mafia. Are you sure you can convert him? This seems like you are trying to get another round of NKs out there since the first one turned out poorly. Since you are practically claimed already, who did you convert already?


The answer to your question is no one Yoshi. I am the Queen of Diamonds. No special abilities or anything when I started. However, when I lost my kid in the scene(Yes, thats why I assumed there was a King in the game as reprodicuing asexually is out there Sully). I recieved a one time day investigation that had to be used or lost(Used it on Haggis, 3rd party) and recieved the ability to convert people to town. This was because I greive the loss of my child and am trying to bring the killers to justice. And in all honesty, I begining to think it should be Fircoal I vote for. I have to look back but something is just off with this and if he is scum it would totally make sense why he pushed so hard for me to lay off Haggis.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Mon May 30, 2011 10:51 pm

Oh ya, forgot the other part of the answer. No I'm not sure I can convert him Yoshi. I got a whole one sentence to my ability but it doesn't state certain restrictions.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Fircoal on Mon May 30, 2011 11:16 pm

Talapus wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
Forgive me for not jumping headfirst into a massclaim. It's not like the names mean anything to anyone in any case. I have no partner because I am not mafia. Are you sure you can convert him? This seems like you are trying to get another round of NKs out there since the first one turned out poorly. Since you are practically claimed already, who did you convert already?


The answer to your question is no one Yoshi. I am the Queen of Diamonds. No special abilities or anything when I started. However, when I lost my kid in the scene(Yes, thats why I assumed there was a King in the game as reprodicuing asexually is out there Sully). I recieved a one time day investigation that had to be used or lost(Used it on Haggis, 3rd party) and recieved the ability to convert people to town. This was because I greive the loss of my child and am trying to bring the killers to justice. And in all honesty, I begining to think it should be Fircoal I vote for. I have to look back but something is just off with this and if he is scum it would totally make sense why he pushed so hard for me to lay off Haggis.


If this wasn't Sully (or me) I'd call BS so fast on this role that you wouldn't be able to see straight. However no matter how insanely gamebreaking and silleh your role may seem it still can be possible due to the wtf that is my role. However since wwe all know Sully it is very possible that you made up this whole thing. It does sound believable but your actions so far have been scummy at best. And honestly considering we have 7 players right now, not 6 I see no problem with lynching the SK anymore. The only problem is if Haggis isn't the SK. The thing is at 6 lynching an SK basically means auto-town loss.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] WTF?!?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon May 30, 2011 11:27 pm

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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Tue May 31, 2011 12:41 am

Fircoal wrote:If this wasn't Sully (or me) I'd call BS so fast on this role that you wouldn't be able to see straight. However no matter how insanely gamebreaking and silleh your role may seem it still can be possible due to the wtf that is my role. However since wwe all know Sully it is very possible that you made up this whole thing. It does sound believable but your actions so far have been scummy at best. And honestly considering we have 7 players right now, not 6 I see no problem with lynching the SK anymore. The only problem is if Haggis isn't the SK. The thing is at 6 lynching an SK basically means auto-town loss.


And if this weren't a Sully game or a game that you were modding I wouldn't be playing like this. You've played with me enough to know that. At this point though it's either spill my role so we can have a shot or get screwed.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Tue May 31, 2011 12:44 am

And yes, I would still be willing to lynch Haggis at this point. Third party is third party. We do that then I'll take a stab in the dark with my power role and target someone in hopes they are scum and I can convert them.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Tue May 31, 2011 12:50 am

Well, since this is at an impass and we are running out of time I am going to:

Unvote
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Third party is still third party and we need a scum kill tonight to stand a chance. I'll target someone else tonight in hopes of converting them to tow. Odds are good however I'm not living through the night.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 31, 2011 7:30 am

Ok shield, switch your vote to Haggis if you agree with a lynch of a third-party. vote Haggis
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby evilchaos on Tue May 31, 2011 7:37 am

Talapus wrote:Well, since this is at an impass and we are running out of time I am going to:

Unvote
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Third party is still third party and we need a scum kill tonight to stand a chance. I'll target someone else tonight in hopes of converting them to tow. Odds are good however I'm not living through the night.


Why not wait and convert Haggis? If we get a town vig (I think that's what you said the SK would turn into), then we would have a major advantage over scum. These are how the numbers work out:

Current Numbers (Assumed):


1 SK
2 Scum
4 Town

If we mislynch (NK assumed):


1 SK
2 Scum
2 Town

Result: town loss almost gauranteed

If we lynch SK (NK assumed):


2 Scum
3 Town

Result: we can work with it, but it isn't great

If we lynch scum (NK assumed):


1 SK
1 Scum
3 Town

Result: It's an OK result, but with two killers the town will still be in some trouble.

If we convert SK but mislynch (NK assumed):


2 Scum
1 Town Vig
2 Town

Result: we have a pretty good chance with a vig

If we convert SK and lynch scum (NK assumed):


1 Scum
1 Town Vig
3 Town

Result: scum is probably screwed

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As you can see, our best chances are with a town vigilante. Also, if Tal converts the SK, we can confirm him as town and our chances of finding scum increase. It's foolish at this point to kill the SK if Tal can actually convert him.

If he can't convert him, then he's likely scum or a SK, and we have a great target for tomorrow.

It's a win-win situation if we attempt to convert the SK. We'll either get 2 confirmed town players (one being a vig), or we'll get a confirmed scum that we can lynch (Tal).

Now this still leaves us with the problem of who to lynch today. It shouldn't be Tal or Haggis (would kill above plan), so that leaves me, Yoshi, Fir, kratos, and shield. Here are my reads on all potential targets:

Definite Town: none
Leaning Town: shield (doubt an extra scum would be added mid-game; OR is that just what Sully wants us to think :o )
Null: kratos (hasn't posted all that much, but also hasn't really displayed any tells), Fir (I would like to see the results of the Tal/Haggis plan above before making any case against Fir; if Haggis flips scum, Fir is possible scum; also, fir's early name claim means he's either town or scum has the same style of names as town)
Leaning Scum: Yoshi (see case below)
Definite Scum: none

My mini-case against Yoshi:

Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is a particularly strong case, for sure. It is rather weak. It's our best bet at the moment though, in my opinion. Feel free to add to it or give another case against someone else, but also keep in mind that we have 2 days to make a decision, so be quick about whatever you do.

Yoshi didn't name claim until last (not counting the ever-silent shield). He had plenty of time to pick a name. He conveniently chose Clubs, which at the time had one other player in it (Haggis). This allowed him to blend into the deck of cards at the time (not the only person in the suit, but also not in the largest suit). Eventually, shield claimed Clubs as well, making three players in that suit, which seems like a lot in a 7 person game.


DoomYoshi wrote:I think the setup is probably a C9 or something similar. We had a crazy discussion yesterday and I have been churning through it. Rodion, I feel sorry for your pr as I think that put a lot of people on your arguments. Haggis, expect a case sometime (by Wednesday at the latest, I have been very busy lately).


Yoshi speculates on the nature of the setup. His speculation suggests he is a cop, doctor, vanilla townie, or mafia goon. A doctor/cop is unlikely to do anything suggesting they are their role (obviously they want to be kept a secret). A vanilla townie is extremely unlikely with Sully as a mod. Mafia goon seems most likely (although I also find it odd that there would be a regular goon in a Sully setup, based on everyone's descriptions of Sully-modded games). This seems to point towards scum, as they would have the most knowledge of the setup early in the game.

Yoshi scumarines on pages 10-11, and when he does post it isn't with any helpful content. It is all one sentence posts.

DoomYoshi wrote:This would be a lot easier if Haggis was here.


DoomYoshi wrote:Lol you are a douche.


DoomYoshi wrote:I'm not a Diamond.


Yoshi then tries to build a case against someone who isn't here (i.e. the easiest target for a scum-started bandwagon)

DoomYoshi wrote:I do think it is a possibility that Shield is the one who killed Rodion, although I don't know why he would pick Rodion. I was looking through the [official] game to see if there was anything that maybe shield would be holding a grudge for but I didn't find anything. I am not sure how many other games they have played together but I might look through them as well.

I think it is more probable that Haggis was the one who killed Rodion as they were having quite the kerfuffle Day 1. There is the whole Haggis not being present issue, but I think he could've popped on and sent a pm to Victor without actually reading the thread.


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kratos644 wrote:Okay a deadline. Now we can get our work under pressure going. Lol I can see how a club would definitely be a serial killer. That could make sense. So assuming the mafia gets a kill tonight, that will make 1 kill tonight and 1 kill tomorrow which will put us down to 3 town 1 third party and 2 mafia. So I guess we have 2 options. Lynch Haggis and hope that we can make a lynch on mafia tomorrow or make a random kill tonight and hope we get mafia. What do you think?


Make a random kill tonight? I say we lynch Haggis. He generated a lot of heat yesterday but has been extremely silent today.


He tries to downplay the significance of the name claims, which could be a major scumtell, as all players seem to have names set up as the _____ of *insert suit of cards here*. He also seems to try to find fault with Tal's plan of converting someone to town, a plan that could result in a much higher chance of a town win. This seems to suggest he doesn't want anyone converted.

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Talapus wrote: :lol: nice one chu. But you're points are all wrong. And I'm definitely not a Spade. The fact that I'm the only diamond in this game and I lost my kid at the bicycle store murder should more then clear up I'm town. I will though go even farther and say that yes, Haggis is third party but I think I can fix it without issues. Right now two people in this game are lying. I assume first and foremost that Doom is one of them as he was the last one to claim. Who ihs partner is I have no idea. I still buys chu's claim because he did claim first and it sounds right up the ally of the roles Sully handed out.

I know I am putting my ass on the line by doing this but at this point we need to make a decision or lose. I have the nightly ability to convert someone to town. Whether haggis is an SK, who knows. But at this point I will say I will target him tonight and bring him over for us. However that still leaves 2 scum amongst us. My money is on Doom all the way at this point for one of them.

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Vote: DoomYoshi

We cannot afford a no lynch and anyone who can read should be able to realize as I'm the only claimed Diamond I am town as my kid was town. As for putting Haggis on the backburner according to Fircoal, yes, he's right I did that. With my ability I had every intention of converting him tonight so figured I would focus attention elsewhere. Odds are good though now I may not be able to use that ability or get offed in the night. But, I will give it my best shot and hope that if Haggis is and SK and I can convert him then we get a town vig.


Forgive me for not jumping headfirst into a massclaim. It's not like the names mean anything to anyone in any case. I have no partner because I am not mafia. Are you sure you can convert him? This seems like you are trying to get another round of NKs out there since the first one turned out poorly. Since you are practically claimed already, who did you convert already?


Again, I want to emphasize that this isn't a particularly strong case, but it's the best I've found and we need to make a good lynch today. If you have something better, please post it, as a lynch of scum would definitely help us out big time. We want to cram as much good discussion into the next two days as possible.

Unvote (if needed) vote Yoshi


EDIT BEFORE POST: Yoshi's last post is BS. "Bandwagon if you agree with this." That's an abuse of the voting system we used to communicate with Shield. He's just basically asking Shield to help with a lynch, while disguising it as a clever use of the vote communication system.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 31, 2011 7:59 am

1) You guys started nameclaiming while I was gone. I was away on a work trip for 3 days.
2) The nameclaims aren't that important. I am a Club, if you lynch me you will find out.
3) I started out Day 1 as a Vanilla Townie. As the days go by, new people can move onto the road and I get new powers.
4) It is not a disguise. It is obviously saying that the vote communication system is over and now it is time to use shields vote to actually lend support to a lynch. Misconstruing my intent is a possible scumtell.
5) I have my own reasons for not wanting Haggis to be converted, I need to be converted myself. Every night my alignment changes, as random people travel and use the road. However, if someone buys the road (I imagine this is the Queen conversion) I will have stability.
6) Finally, it is a general rule to follow an investigator and to kill SKs. (as I discovered so recently in Big Lebowski).
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby evilchaos on Tue May 31, 2011 8:14 am

DoomYoshi wrote:1) You guys started nameclaiming while I was gone. I was away on a work trip for 3 days.
2) The nameclaims aren't that important. I am a Club, if you lynch me you will find out.
3) I started out Day 1 as a Vanilla Townie. As the days go by, new people can move onto the road and I get new powers.
4) It is not a disguise. It is obviously saying that the vote communication system is over and now it is time to use shields vote to actually lend support to a lynch. Misconstruing my intent is a possible scumtell.
5) I have my own reasons for not wanting Haggis to be converted, I need to be converted myself. Every night my alignment changes, as random people travel and use the road. However, if someone buys the road (I imagine this is the Queen conversion) I will have stability.
6) Finally, it is a general rule to follow an investigator and to kill SKs. (as I discovered so recently in Big Lebowski).


1) You were away when is started but this is misleading.

DoomYoshi wrote:Lol you are a douche.


Link: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=145162&start=150#p3185210

That was posted after only two people had name claimed. You waited for everyone but the silent shield to nameclaim before you made yours.

2) They can be. If you had name claimed with a normal name or with a suit that had several other people in it (for example, if you had claimed hearts), then you may have come under suspicion because of how abnormal that would be. Waiting ensured the best possible fake claim if you did actually fake your claim.

3) I can buy this, as this was stated by Tal as well.

4) I misunderstood your intent because I didn't expect a player to tell someone how they should vote. Shield knows how to vote.

5 and 6) Regardless of how a conversion helps you, converting the SK is more beneficial to us than converting you. Converting and killing the SK achieves the same purpose of getting rid of the killer. One helps the town though and the other still puts us at risk.

You claim in your post that your alignment changes nightly based on who uses the road. If this is true (and I believe that it is, because there is no benefit to fakeclaiming such a thing), then we may still want to lynch Yoshi. Tal's conversion can't be used on him tonight in my opinion. Getting rid of the SK and gaining a vigilante is too valuable. I'm guessing that scum must have a similar role to Tal's so that they can also "buy the road" and gain Yoshi's allegience. It is likely that, with this knowledge, scum will convert Yoshi to a permanent anti-town role tonight.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby Talapus on Tue May 31, 2011 11:13 am

evilchaos wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:1) You guys started nameclaiming while I was gone. I was away on a work trip for 3 days.
2) The nameclaims aren't that important. I am a Club, if you lynch me you will find out.
3) I started out Day 1 as a Vanilla Townie. As the days go by, new people can move onto the road and I get new powers.
4) It is not a disguise. It is obviously saying that the vote communication system is over and now it is time to use shields vote to actually lend support to a lynch. Misconstruing my intent is a possible scumtell.
5) I have my own reasons for not wanting Haggis to be converted, I need to be converted myself. Every night my alignment changes, as random people travel and use the road. However, if someone buys the road (I imagine this is the Queen conversion) I will have stability.
6) Finally, it is a general rule to follow an investigator and to kill SKs. (as I discovered so recently in Big Lebowski).


1) You were away when is started but this is misleading.

DoomYoshi wrote:Lol you are a douche.


Link: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=145162&start=150#p3185210

That was posted after only two people had name claimed. You waited for everyone but the silent shield to nameclaim before you made yours.

2) They can be. If you had name claimed with a normal name or with a suit that had several other people in it (for example, if you had claimed hearts), then you may have come under suspicion because of how abnormal that would be. Waiting ensured the best possible fake claim if you did actually fake your claim.

3) I can buy this, as this was stated by Tal as well.

4) I misunderstood your intent because I didn't expect a player to tell someone how they should vote. Shield knows how to vote.

5 and 6) Regardless of how a conversion helps you, converting the SK is more beneficial to us than converting you. Converting and killing the SK achieves the same purpose of getting rid of the killer. One helps the town though and the other still puts us at risk.

You claim in your post that your alignment changes nightly based on who uses the road. If this is true (and I believe that it is, because there is no benefit to fakeclaiming such a thing), then we may still want to lynch Yoshi. Tal's conversion can't be used on him tonight in my opinion. Getting rid of the SK and gaining a vigilante is too valuable. I'm guessing that scum must have a similar role to Tal's so that they can also "buy the road" and gain Yoshi's allegience. It is likely that, with this knowledge, scum will convert Yoshi to a permanent anti-town role tonight.



Evil, I have no problem trying to convert Haggis. I had my vote on Doom earlier for many of these reasons. But also with where we are in the game there is a very good chance I'm not living through the night. If this is truly what we want to try I'm willing to give it a shot.

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I just have conrcerns on whether or not e can get the needed votes on Doom by Thursday at this point.
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Re: Quickie Maf [Day 2] Deadline - June 2nd!

Postby evilchaos on Tue May 31, 2011 11:58 am

There wasn't a NK last night, so we can assume there is a jailkeeper (blocked mafia/protected target), roleblocker (blocked mafia), or doctor (protected target). We can probably eliminate roleblocker because they didn't claim and state they blocked someone, which I would guess they would have done by now if they feel they blocked scum. If there is a doctor, protect Tal. His conversion power on Haggis is probably our best power right now. If there is a jailkeeper, do exactly what you did last night. You either imprisoned the target or scum, and we'll have to hope it was scum because imprisoning Tal would prevent his conversion power from being used.

I really hope there's a doctor because that would guarantee this plan's success, more or less. If there is a jailkeeper, it's 50:50. Either way, the chances are better than lynching Haggis and praying that we lynch scum next round.
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