[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[safariguy5]

vote Namliam Something doesn't add up if you're not dead yet. That's not standard lover's mechanic.

No, it doesn't. But it's no reason to vote him, anyway.

Let him explain what is the deal. He IS a confirmed lover...if by tomorow he isn't dead, then we can worry about it. There is no reason to vote him unless he doesn't want to explain.

Target's post doesn't seem controversial...He just wants us to not focus harsly on Nam...Even if he is mafia..he's known already.

Vote: Safari

For diverting attention on a known harmless matter.


Wait for explanations, then we'll lynch him if he doesn't help.

Known harmless matter? Take a look at shield's role on the first page, it says Romeo, lover. Now Romeo and Juliet seems textbook standard lover mechanic, and both he and Nam agreed that they were lovers. I think the foundation has been set that they meant standard lover mechanic. Which means that the lack of a death is not standard lovers mechanic. I'd like some clarification and by no means is my vote a death sentence, but nam's continued submarining isn't making it any better.

Prod nam please?

[freezie]

vote Namliam Something doesn't add up if you're not dead yet. That's not standard lover's mechanic.

No, it doesn't. But it's no reason to vote him, anyway.

Let him explain what is the deal. He IS a confirmed lover...if by tomorow he isn't dead, then we can worry about it. There is no reason to vote him unless he doesn't want to explain.

Target's post doesn't seem controversial...He just wants us to not focus harsly on Nam...Even if he is mafia..he's known already.

Vote: Safari

For diverting attention on a known harmless matter.


Wait for explanations, then we'll lynch him if he doesn't help.

Known harmless matter? Take a look at shield's role on the first page, it says Romeo, lover. Now Romeo and Juliet seems textbook standard lover mechanic, and both he and Nam agreed that they were lovers. I think the foundation has been set that they meant standard lover mechanic. Which means that the lack of a death is not standard lovers mechanic. I'd like some clarification and by no means is my vote a death sentence, but nam's continued submarining isn't making it any better.

Prod nam please?

Guess what, I was the one to hammer him..If anyeone knows his role, I do. And guess what, I did say something didn't add up to normal lover mechanics.

It's still useless pressure as even if nam is the mafia part of the lovers, we KNOW IT.

[targetman377]

I understand what freezie is saying.
the whole what are the mechanics of lovers seems to me to be taking up too much of our time and we should more be worried about scum.

correct me if i am wrong lovers are usually a minor player in the game? right? at least that's what i am going for. I do think that the lovers are both town as commander post seems to make us believe. I think its a case of over thinking it. NAM when nam does post WE HE SHOULD STILL FULL CLAIM as that would be in the towns and his best interest. IF he does we know when can trust him. if he does not then well we can't and we can take measures at that point.

[DoomYoshi]

It is looking more and more like nam is not allowed to speak today (as in Day 2).

[targetman377]

i should note i am still looking into who i think is scum rereading the entire thread to make a good case so be patiently i will get some one streaker!!! ok you do not need to vote for me!

[pancakemix]

Namliam should be prodded/replaced at this point. It's been long enough with no response.

Either way, I'm still not sure this is worth our time right now. If he's alive tomorrow, then it's worth our time. Right now, he's just someone who is more likely than not going to die pretty soon.

[ShaggyDan]

well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

Looking at the story of Romeo & Juliet the potion Juliet took simply made her appear as a corpse for a period of time. Possible same thing here (lack of replies seems to indicate this) maybe attempted suicide through drinking the potion, but only negative day post restriction affects?. Or she may just be inactive.

Regardless, the case isn't a pressing matter. If there is a weird lover mechanic happening here where she still dies it will happen eventually (most likely end of today or tonight). If there isn't we wait till afterwards to question her. If something scummy's going on I imagine that she'd play it off like she only had a day or two left just to distract us anyway, and we'd have no alternative but to believe her.

As far as matters at hand; I've only re-read once and nothing really popped out at me. A lot of day 2 has been waffle about the lovers (myself included tbh). I'll try a second re-read and see if I can see anything worth pursueing (I'm hesitant to put forward half-assed cases in such a large game, tends to be a waste of time imo).

[Commander9]

Namliam should be prodded/replaced at this point. It's been long enough with no response.

Either way, I'm still not sure this is worth our time right now. If he's alive tomorrow, then it's worth our time. Right now, he's just someone who is more likely than not going to die pretty soon.

I can confirm that he will not be replaced due to one reason or another.

[safariguy5]

Well neither ndrs nor bleed green have posted since the start of Day 2. So I will FOS both of them for extended submarining.

[strike wolf]

Well commander seemed to hint that this may not be a traditional lover mechanic. I think it is a bit silly to assume nam might die at the end of the day or that she can't talk as nam was pretty much non-existant before being prodded yesterday and even then only appeared to make two posts containing just as many words. on the other side of the equation pressuring with votes is useless. If Juliet is mafia than she has no motive to tell us the truth regardless as it would just hurt her own chances of winning and if juliet is town she has no more motivation to tell us just because there are votes on her as if there weren't any. I will agree answers to why Juliet is not dead is important but I feel the bandwagon itself is useless and finding scum should be top priority. I also wish to fos everyone pushing for this bandwagon as it is an easy bandwagon but in my opinion does not serve any justifiable reason for a bandwagon.

Edit before post: nevermind. That last post by commander makes me think that nam is going to die. Thus why he is not seeking a replacement...I could be wrong but even if it is for some other reason I still feel that nam should be prodded.

Edit before post again: like nam it would probably more helpful to try to prod them.

[nagerous]

Maybe if it is not a traditional lover's mechanic, nam has already been told he cannot post for this day phase or something. I suggest we leave this lead for now and hunt others.

[Rodion]

He's not replacing Nam either because:
a) Nam is dying anyway
b) Nam is forbidden to talk because of the mechanics and he can't be punished with a replacement for merely following the rules

Had Commander mentioned prod instead of replace, we'd have a clearer picture on the subject (he could prod if "a' was the case, but not "b").

Anyway, I was the first vote on Namliam, mostly to signal I wanted explanations. We didn't get those explanations, but I don't mind pursuing someone else today and dealing with Nam tomorrow (if the need arises). I still don't have a lead on anyone, though.

[edocsil]

A day of mourning wouldn't be unprecedented. I have head of it before over at mafia scum. It will stand as a working assumption until he shows up / is replaced.

Now we need a legit target. Lets see what everyone has to throw today, we can wait on the Nam bits.

[Bleed_Green]

Sorry I have been extremely busy with work that I have not really had much chance to catch up on my reading on this post, I have done a lot of reading up just trying to understand how romeo & juliet and the knights templar play in.. if this is a classic then there good easily be a third party, I did some reading and third party could be Paris the prince of Verona that Juliet was promised to before meeting Romeo.

I am still trying to wrap my head a round why Knights Templars are involved???

[safariguy5]

Sorry I have been extremely busy with work that I have not really had much chance to catch up on my reading on this post, I have done a lot of reading up just trying to understand how romeo & juliet and the knights templar play in.. if this is a classic then there good easily be a third party, I did some reading and third party could be Paris the prince of Verona that Juliet was promised to before meeting Romeo.

I am still trying to wrap my head a round why Knights Templars are involved???

It must be a mix of several different factions from across the medieval timeline. Although I'm not 100% sure what the alignments are, I'm pretty sure the Knights Templar are town.

But I will try to get the submariners more active in lieu of a better case. It's not like there was nothing to discuss today that would elicit no response.

unvote vote ndrs

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry I have been extremely busy with work that I have not really had much chance to catch up on my reading on this post, I have done a lot of reading up just trying to understand how romeo & juliet and the knights templar play in.. if this is a classic then there good easily be a third party, I did some reading and third party could be Paris the prince of Verona that Juliet was promised to before meeting Romeo.

I am still trying to wrap my head a round why Knights Templars are involved???

It must be a mix of several different factions from across the medieval timeline. Although I'm not 100% sure what the alignments are, I'm pretty sure the Knights Templar are town.

But I will try to get the submariners more active in lieu of a better case. It's not like there was nothing to discuss today that would elicit no response.

unvote vote ndrs

Who?

[edocsil]

[*] safariguy5
[*]freezie
[*]pancakemix
[*]Streaker
[*]ndrs
[*] Edocsil
[*]vioiet
[*] targetman377
[*] TheSaxlad
[*]naxus
[*]Iliad
[*] DoomYoshi
[*]karelpietertje
[*] Rodion
[*] blakebowling
[*]jeraado
[*]sheepofdumb
[*]ShaggyDan
[*]nagerous
[*]drabod Strike Wolf
[*]Campin_Killer Fircoal
[*]Bleed_Green
[*]Namliam[/list]

[DoomYoshi]

:roll:

[*] safariguy5
[*]freezie
[*]pancakemix
[*]Streaker
[*]ndrs
[*] Edocsil
[*]vioiet
[*] targetman377
[*] TheSaxlad
[*]naxus
[*]Iliad
[*] DoomYoshi
[*]karelpietertje
[*] Rodion
[*] blakebowling
[*]jeraado
[*]sheepofdumb
[*]ShaggyDan
[*]nagerous
[*]drabod Strike Wolf
[*]Campin_Killer Fircoal
[*]Bleed_Green
[*]Namliam[/list]

I was joking good sir. Expressing my approval of saf's action.

[edocsil]

I was joking good sir. Expressing my approval of saf's action.

[ndrs]

Not trying make excuses, but I'm in a few games with C9 and was expecting him to be out for the week. Therefore, I didn't keep track of the thread. It's three in the morning, so I'll come back in the morning to read and post if I find anything that catches my attention.

BTW, not fair to single me out for "submarining", there is a few other names I can think of. This is how many pages I had to go back to find the last post from (sorry in advance if I miscounted or missed any posts – I'm tired):

ndrs 6 pages
illiad 8 pages
vioIet 9 pages
sheepofdumb 10pages
jeraado 11 pages
karelpietertje 17 pages

So why me safariguy4?

[safariguy5]

Not trying make excuses, but I'm in a few games with C9 and was expecting him to be out for the week. Therefore, I didn't keep track of the thread. It's three in the morning, so I'll come back in the morning to read and post if I find anything that catches my attention.

BTW, not fair to single me out for "submarining", there is a few other names I can think of. This is how many pages I had to go back to find the last post from (sorry in advance if I miscounted or missed any posts – I'm tired):

ndrs 6 pages
illiad 8 pages
vioIet 9 pages
sheepofdumb 10pages
jeraado 11 pages
karelpietertje 17 pages

So why me safariguy4?

Quite frankly, because you haven't gotten a lot of experience and all of the people that you've listed have played mafia and I know they can be productive. This is what, the second game you've played and neither of them have you been particularly active or contributing very much.

[freezie]

And I got the evergrowing feeling that saf is trying to divert our attention on anything and anyone here...

[safariguy5]

And I got the evergrowing feeling that saf is trying to divert our attention on anything and anyone here...

Well do you have a better lead? Pressuring Nam got us nowhere, I then go to the standard target a submariner.

[ndrs]

Quite frankly, because you haven't gotten a lot of experience and all of the people that you've listed have played mafia and I know they can be productive. This is what, the second game you've played and neither of them have you been particularly active or contributing very much.

To me, that's not much of a reason to vote me over the other guys. I don't see the logic. But it could've been worse, could've been you picked me on random or just because you wanted to see more of my beautiful mustache.

By the way, this is my first Mafia game.

[freezie]

And I got the evergrowing feeling that saf is trying to divert our attention on anything and anyone here...

Well do you have a better lead? Pressuring Nam got us nowhere, I then go to the standard target a submariner.

You.