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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby MrBenn on Fri May 13, 2011 1:55 pm

qwert wrote:Classic Art map, hmm, what to say abouth these C*** of map. These map whas created in 24 h, brake all rules in foundry, because community its not aloved to participiate in these map developments, and when these whas "quenched" 6 elite members,or former and present CA , get medals for creating these graphic master C***, again brake a rule,that only two person can get medal. And then you want to everybody be equal in system where CA get much faster credit for hes work,when everybody else can be kick in ass, and dont get recognition in same way. Many time i demand,that these 6 medal be removed from these 6 member, but unfortunatly they belive that for these map who are created in 24 h, they all deserve medals. If i want to create some kind of C*** map, they will not alove me, and i will not be awarded for creating C***, but im not CA.

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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Qwert on Fri May 13, 2011 1:59 pm

"Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 7:27 pm

Qwert, dig up that old thread or make a new one in suggestions and I will support the medal stripping wholeheartedly if that is indeed what happened.""
Thread? what thread, they break all rules, and that why these thread not exist-Classic Art C*** map are created totaly secret, and nobody from community dont have acess to participiate,except these 6,who get medals. Its will be fair to all 6 be strip from medals,because Classic Art its clone,and to be present when new Classic map be created,instead that, they show that map can be created in 24 hours,and to be awarder with 6 medals.
If i want to create something like that in 24 hours, do you think that they will awarded me? Or any new map maker, if try to create something similar, do you think that he will be awarder? The answer will be-Hell no!- he will be attacked from all side , and CA will kick hem in ass. These is one advantage if you are CA, and you can with yours small circle of frend to create what you like, and no need to waith 1 year in map foundry to finaly apply all required things to be quenched.
I request several time, that these unfair behavior, to other regular map maker change,and that these medal be remove, but they just laught, and dont do nothing, and still hold these medals.
these is link to mine MAp maker index; here you can see names of medal awarded for CLassic Art map.

viewtopic.php?f=127&t=73937&hilit=map+maker+index

6 map maker awarded, but i dont manage to find for what-who its graphic,who xml, who create gameplay, Also in Chipv map maker index, Classic Art section its empty,like that nobody create these map,but exist.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby natty dread on Fri May 13, 2011 3:34 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Lots of new maps bring nothing new to the table but a different region of the world/time period. If you wanted to shave the map choices down to truly unique maps you would be left with like 20 maps or so. Besides, I think the classic map is unique since there were copyright issues with it and therefore it was used as a "best you can do" map. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby natty dread on Fri May 13, 2011 3:35 pm

qwert wrote:and still hold these medals.


No they don't.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Qwert on Fri May 13, 2011 4:06 pm

naty, these medals are now hide behind new names, and if you want to hide something,then you need to remove from award list.
But i dont know why i even talk to you,because you are in same boat with other blue letters, these mean that for you its forbiden to talk against blue boys,even if something its not correct,or not ok to other map makers. Unfortunatly to little blue letters you have ,who can openly criticize other CA, when something are not ok. Cairnswk are Coleman whas best CA, because they stand up,everytime when Andy work bad, and they not afraid to defend other mapmakers, if Foundry foreman make bad decisions, but now CA only work what Foundry foreman say, and nobody complain when something its wrong in map foundry.
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Medal Description: Awarded to members that made a noteworthy contribution to the website or community.
Award Time: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:03 pm
Awarded by: AndyDufresne
Award Reason: Co-developed the Classic Art Map

Same group of names, nothing change, only what change its that they hide Classic Art medal, and present these like "noteworthy contirbution to the website or community" WTF?
Where community participiate in these creation of these map? And i need to be in place where in these way, people get rewards.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 4:38 pm

I'm just defending my ideas, dunno what you are going on about.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby natty dread on Fri May 13, 2011 5:24 pm

qwert wrote:naty, these medals are now hide behind new names, and if you want to hide something,then you need to remove from award list.


The point is, no map medals are awarded for it. General contribution medals are pretty easy to come around... it's a bit anal to be complaining about them, IMO.

qwert wrote:But i dont know why i even talk to you,because you are in same boat with other blue letters, these mean that for you its forbiden to talk against blue boys,even if something its not correct,or not ok to other map makers.


You're way off base here. Way off.

Go ask any member of the carto team and they will be happy to confirm that I have had my skrimishes with them... several times. The difference is, I don't take differences in opinion personally and get all butthurt, storming out of the foundry... For that matter, I don't leave unfinished maps in beta and refuse to complete them just because I get upset at a cartographer (which btw is as unprofessional and childish as you can get as a mapmaker)...

The Foundry mods are just doing their job, trying to ensure that each map that gets quenched is as good as it can be. You don't seem to understand that the foundry is a collective, where you can't just say "I'm the mapmaker, it's my map so I decide", you have to listen to every opinion and point of view, and address all concerns... it's a peer-review system.

qwert wrote:Unfortunatly to little blue letters you have ,who can openly criticize other CA, when something are not ok. Cairnswk are Coleman whas best CA, because they stand up,everytime when Andy work bad, and they not afraid to defend other mapmakers, if Foundry foreman make bad decisions, but now CA only work what Foundry foreman say, and nobody complain when something its wrong in map foundry.


The foundry works as long as there are people actively participating in the process and developing it. The foundry mods aren't an external part of this process, they are more just supervising it and ensuring that all concerns brought up by the community get addressed by the mapmakers. You get out of the process as much as you put in to it.

Of course, the foundry system is not perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect system. But it functions as well as it can function with volunteer power, and it's constantly developing according to the needs of the foundry community.

But then, I don't make maps to get some kind of props out of it, or to brag publicly how many games people play on my maps... I do it because I enjoy mapmaking.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Incandenza on Fri May 13, 2011 5:53 pm

qwert, seriously, let it die. The only person involved with Art who's still active in the foundry is MrB, everyone else has retired from the foundry or left the site altogether. And you've been beating this drum for two and a half years now. What's the point?
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 6:09 pm

I'm guessing its the principle.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby King_Herpes on Fri May 13, 2011 8:25 pm

qwert makes it squirt.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 8:33 pm

Qwert is dope for sure. He's made some kick ass maps and should be allowed to fight this all he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's one of the perks of being the "real deal".
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby safariguy5 on Fri May 13, 2011 9:02 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Qwert is dope for sure. He's made some kick ass maps and should be allowed to fight this all he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's one of the perks of being the "real deal".

Yeah but we're not obliged to agree or listen. Medals aren't that big a deal anyways, the only people who care how many you have seem to be the people on the scoreboards.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 9:19 pm

Point taken safari. I do really think it's the principle that matters to qwert judging by his posts though.

Btw, your little guy holding the sign is wrong... except for the part about me wearing spandex, how did he know that? Creepy.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby safariguy5 on Fri May 13, 2011 9:46 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Point taken safari. I do really think it's the principle that matters to qwert judging by his posts though.

Btw, your little guy holding the sign is wrong... except for the part about me wearing spandex, how did he know that? Creepy.

Well I agree that principle matters, I really think you need to be able to pick your fights. If you get angry over both the little and large things, you really start to lose the weight behind your opinions and sound contrarian instead of principled.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby King_Herpes on Fri May 13, 2011 10:07 pm

Safari guy, let's acknowledge FunkyTerry's need for invisible people's love right now. Try again with the approach and this time don't type until you're more emotionally available. Okay? let's extend him the same courtesy he has shown qwert.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby King_Herpes on Fri May 13, 2011 10:14 pm

pee.s. His attempt at humor/offering of fora peace, escaped you amidst your inability to like him. We need to do better.
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri May 13, 2011 10:21 pm

Just when I was starting to feel like no one understands me, my Knight in shining armor appears, warts flapping majestically. O:)
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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby safariguy5 on Sat May 14, 2011 12:28 am

safariguy5 wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:Point taken safari. I do really think it's the principle that matters to qwert judging by his posts though.

Btw, your little guy holding the sign is wrong... except for the part about me wearing spandex, how did he know that? Creepy.

Well I agree that principle matters, I really think you need to be able to pick your fights. If you get angry over both the little and large things, you really start to lose the weight behind your opinions and sound contrarian instead of principled.

That comment wasn't directed at you Funky, it was directed at qwert. I just quoted you because you mentioned principle.

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Re: Classic Art Map?

Postby Qwert on Sat May 14, 2011 5:28 am

by Incandenza » Sat May 14, 2011 12:53 am

qwert, seriously, let it die. The only person involved with Art who's still active in the foundry is MrB, everyone else has retired from the foundry or left the site altogether. And you've been beating this drum for two and a half years now. What's the point?


Well these is incadenza, who want map medal for nothing. Please can you tell me what its your job so notheworthy that you deserve to be awarded with medal? You are one of 6 , and pnly two can be awarded with medal- so what its your job-gameplay, graphic, xml, idea, nothing, something?

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Medal Description: Awarded to members that made a noteworthy contribution to the website or community.
Award Time: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:01 pm
Awarded by: AndyDufresne
Award Reason: Co-developed the Classic Art Map

Its will be good,that things are equal for everybody, and that we dont have any conflict in map foundry, but when these thing exist, hard that you can expect that everything its ok.
For me to get somekind of reward,and to not do nothing, i will refuse to get awards, but its look that you can not refuse these.
You want to die, good, but new map makers need to know how map foundry work,and in what way you can get medal, and if you are in good relations with CA, then you have chance to get medal,quite easy. And im not open these topic,im only answer, why these Classic Art C*** of map, need to be out of CC.

The point is, no map medals are awarded for it. General contribution medals are pretty easy to come around... it's a bit anal to be complaining about them, IMO.

Yea, general contribution medal for co-developer of Classic Art map- what smart guy invent these ? but no need to worry,im complain, and these guys only :lol: , and work in hes ways.

The Foundry mods are just doing their job, trying to ensure that each map that gets quenched is as good as it can be. You don't seem to understand that the foundry is a collective, where you can't just say "I'm the mapmaker, it's my map so I decide", you have to listen to every opinion and point of view, and address all concerns... it's a peer-review system.

Yep,an i whas forced for every little thing to open poll, because few of CA,everytime say "you dont have support of comunity", and prolonging mine work, and almost every poll whas in mine favour. CA need to be objective,and to listen community,not to be Subjective,and everytime overuled something what 30-40 people like,and only CA dont like.
And now these system its so slow,that its almost imposibile to create map,because map maker lost hes interest after years in map foundry.
But one day(i hope ) will come much better CA, who will listen community, and who will listen map maker, and not to be obstacle.
And i will post everytime,when someone say,that things are great, that map foundry are place when you jump of joy, when CA drag you ,and prolonge,and nitpick your project,for any nonsence , even if you give any valid explanation, and these go on circle,where you finaly forced to leave map foundry. Mine case its closed, im finish with map foundry, but many other new map makers, need to know,what to expect, when they start any map project.
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