Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[kratos644]

Can't be arsed to read the pages I've missed. Anyway, unvote vote nagerous because he's skummeh

Are you really going to make a vote on someone without doing your research on what has happened?
Vote Army of GOD

Way to tip your hand. unvote vote kratos

He's trying to get people off nag, so he's obviously working with him. I don't like it...smells like scum.

Or maybe I just found what nag did to be reasonable. He has after all been reading everything so far unlike some... I didn't like that you blatantly stated you weren't going to read everything and decided hey there's already a vote on nag let's hop on that bandwagon. Maybe both you and fircoal are the scum so you were trying to help him out, but I'm not convinced on fircoal maybe it's because he was a pika so I'm biased

Anyway. Like I said I don't like the fact that you'd just choose a vote without reading all the facts.

Edit* Also if I was just trying to get people off nag why wouldn't I vote fircoal? Or I could have even kept on the bandwagon and got a quick lynch then nag would be safe for now. Hell if you had any reason at all for voting nag I probably wouldn't have voted but the fact that you're jumping on random votes without reading strikes something odd to me.

[evilchaos]

We have a "???" vote on TheFissk.
Perhaps there's a doublevoter out there?

If there is we need to find out who!

Why? So you and your scum buddies can kill him off?

I think Hank and Fissk are both scum.

Hank asked a question about "mafia alliances." When asked about it, he said he was wondering about alliances like on Survivor. I'm not sure exactly what that means and how it would apply to mafia, so it remains a suspicious question in my mind. He then went AWOL for a day or so without posting at all. He did not join in the discussion about Fissk's potential scumminess at all. He didn't post again until just now, when he displayed a desire to find the identity of a double voter, a person who is only of interest to scum that don't want to be lynched.

Fissk voted for me immediately after I questioned Hank. He supplied no immediate reason. When questioned on it later, he stated he wanted to see my reaction, which is a rather weak reason in my opinion. He later made this post, which doesn't help his case whatsoever.

Fissk, give me a GREAT reason not to vote on you.

Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow
-William Pulteney, Earl of Bath, English MP

I see that you have made three spelling mistakes
-Thomas de Mahay, Marquis de Favras, French aristocrat, his last words upon reading his death sentence before being
guillotined

life is not defined by your achievements but the mistakes you make, don't let this be one.

There is also the issue of Nag defending Fissk with good reasons, but Fissk defending Nag agressively with not so good reasons.

Jonty is a new guy and he is learning, he probably had his reasons and now has come accross as a little scummy. However, I personally think that he is innocent and just trying to hunt leads and play the game. However, you've come accross to me now as just a bandwagon starter trying to get an easy lynch across.

My vote goes on you, unvote vote Nagerous

i think you could have been a little more creative than just copying his post and changing the last sentence but i guess their are time constraints...

plus i have half a mind to vote for you for a similar same reason everyone is bandwagoning me (at least you tried to explain your self) but i'll hold for now...

As I said, I think it's pretty clear they're both scum. For the moment, I'm keeping my vote on Hank.

[Army of GOD]

Can't be arsed to read the pages I've missed. Anyway, unvote vote nagerous because he's skummeh

Are you really going to make a vote on someone without doing your research on what has happened?
Vote Army of GOD

Way to tip your hand. unvote vote kratos

He's trying to get people off nag, so he's obviously working with him. I don't like it...smells like scum.

Or maybe I just found what nag did to be reasonable. He has after all been reading everything so far unlike some... I didn't like that you blatantly stated you weren't going to read everything and decided hey there's already a vote on nag let's hop on that bandwagon. Maybe both you and fircoal are the scum so you were trying to help him out, but I'm not convinced on fircoal maybe it's because he was a pika so I'm biased

Anyway. Like I said I don't like the fact that you'd just choose a vote without reading all the facts.

Edit* Also if I was just trying to get people off nag why wouldn't I vote fircoal? Or I could have even kept on the bandwagon and got a quick lynch then nag would be safe for now. Hell if you had any reason at all for voting nag I probably wouldn't have voted but the fact that you're jumping on random votes without reading strikes something odd to me.

That's some good WIFOM right there.

[kratos644]

Can't be arsed to read the pages I've missed. Anyway, unvote vote nagerous because he's skummeh

Are you really going to make a vote on someone without doing your research on what has happened?
Vote Army of GOD

Way to tip your hand. unvote vote kratos

He's trying to get people off nag, so he's obviously working with him. I don't like it...smells like scum.

Or maybe I just found what nag did to be reasonable. He has after all been reading everything so far unlike some... I didn't like that you blatantly stated you weren't going to read everything and decided hey there's already a vote on nag let's hop on that bandwagon. Maybe both you and fircoal are the scum so you were trying to help him out, but I'm not convinced on fircoal maybe it's because he was a pika so I'm biased

Anyway. Like I said I don't like the fact that you'd just choose a vote without reading all the facts.

Edit* Also if I was just trying to get people off nag why wouldn't I vote fircoal? Or I could have even kept on the bandwagon and got a quick lynch then nag would be safe for now. Hell if you had any reason at all for voting nag I probably wouldn't have voted but the fact that you're jumping on random votes without reading strikes something odd to me.

That's some good WIFOM right there.

Well I could just accuse you of an OMGUS vote instead of giving any explanation at all.

[shieldgenerator7]

after many long hours of figuring I've discovered a formula that knows exactly you chances of winning

simply insert the number below beside you name and solve for X
-1. Fircoal
-2. Streaker
-3. karelpieterje
-4. shieldgenerator7
-5. Victor Sullivan
-6. Army of God
-7. Rodion
-8. Hank44Soccer
-9. shaggydan
-10. sheepofdumb
-11. kratos644
-12. jonty125
-13. Mr. Squirrel
-14. jimfinn
-15. Haggis McMutton
-16. nagerous
-17. freezie
-22. TheFissk
-19. jug68
-20. Commander9
-21. evilchaos

x21+231x20+25025x19+1689765x18+79721796x17+2792167686x16+75289668850x15+1599718388730x14+27188611869881x13+373100999802531x12+4154823851430525x11+37600535086859745x10+276019109275035346x9+1634980697246583456x8+7744654310169576800x7+28939583397335447760x6+83637381699544802976x5+181664979520697076096x4+284093315901811468800x3+298631902863216384000x2+186244810780170240000x+51090942171709440000

I don't find this very funny, nor this:

Fissk, give me a GREAT reason not to vote on you.

Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow
-William Pulteney, Earl of Bath, English MP

I see that you have made three spelling mistakes
-Thomas de Mahay, Marquis de Favras, French aristocrat, his last words upon reading his death sentence before being
guillotined

To me, this looks like a scum tactic trying to detract attention from him and his case. I've never played with TheFissk before, and I don't know his experience level, but this looks scummy. Then again, if he's a n00b, he might do these kinds of these cause he doesn't know any better. Fissk, explain yourself or I'm going to vote you. I personally think you're acting more n00bish than scummy, but the fact that you don't defend yourself may indicate your guiltiness.

-SG7 ( )

[jonty125]

We have a "???" vote on TheFissk.
Perhaps there's a doublevoter out there?

If there is we need to find out who!

Explain yourself Hank or your getting my vote.

[DoomYoshi]

I am going to prod jug68 tonight. Any other requests? So far the activity level has been very high, thanks to everyone for that.

[ShaggyDan]

I came here with the intent to vote for fissk due to some jokey / very weak defence posts... but apparantly I already did all the way back in the joke stage.

So posting to say my vote stays on him for his weak defence to the pressure. Though I have to do more of an indepth read it seems like a good lead to follow.

Also FOS Army of God for throwing votes around like... something you throw lots... (and admits to what I assume is joke-voting far after we've passed joke stage).

[evilchaos]

after many long hours of figuring I've discovered a formula that knows exactly you chances of winning

simply insert the number below beside you name and solve for X
-1. Fircoal
-2. Streaker
-3. karelpieterje
-4. shieldgenerator7
-5. Victor Sullivan
-6. Army of God
-7. Rodion
-8. Hank44Soccer
-9. shaggydan
-10. sheepofdumb
-11. kratos644
-12. jonty125
-13. Mr. Squirrel
-14. jimfinn
-15. Haggis McMutton
-16. nagerous
-17. freezie
-22. TheFissk
-19. jug68
-20. Commander9
-21. evilchaos

x21+231x20+25025x19+1689765x18+79721796x17+2792167686x16+75289668850x15+1599718388730x14+27188611869881x13+373100999802531x12+4154823851430525x11+37600535086859745x10+276019109275035346x9+1634980697246583456x8+7744654310169576800x7+28939583397335447760x6+83637381699544802976x5+181664979520697076096x4+284093315901811468800x3+298631902863216384000x2+186244810780170240000x+51090942171709440000

I don't find this very funny, nor this:

Fissk, give me a GREAT reason not to vote on you.

Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow
-William Pulteney, Earl of Bath, English MP

I see that you have made three spelling mistakes
-Thomas de Mahay, Marquis de Favras, French aristocrat, his last words upon reading his death sentence before being
guillotined

To me, this looks like a scum tactic trying to detract attention from him and his case. I've never played with TheFissk before, and I don't know his experience level, but this looks scummy. Then again, if he's a n00b, he might do these kinds of these cause he doesn't know any better. Fissk, explain yourself or I'm going to vote you. I personally think you're acting more n00bish than scummy, but the fact that you don't defend yourself may indicate your guiltiness.

-SG7 ( )

I think this is Fissk's first game.

[shieldgenerator7]

that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt of n00b versus scum

[Victor Sullivan]

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=141268&start=240#p3164253





Unacceptable, sir. vote kratos

-Sully

[jonty125]

Do you mean editing?

[Victor Sullivan]

Do you mean editing?

No, I mean his clever word play and lack of sarcasm.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Can't be arsed to read the pages I've missed. Anyway, unvote vote nagerous because he's skummeh

Are you really going to make a vote on someone without doing your research on what has happened?
Vote Army of GOD

Way to tip your hand. unvote vote kratos

He's trying to get people off nag, so he's obviously working with him. I don't like it...smells like scum.

Or maybe I just found what nag did to be reasonable. He has after all been reading everything so far unlike some... I didn't like that you blatantly stated you weren't going to read everything and decided hey there's already a vote on nag let's hop on that bandwagon. Maybe both you and fircoal are the scum so you were trying to help him out, but I'm not convinced on fircoal maybe it's because he was a pika so I'm biased

Anyway. Like I said I don't like the fact that you'd just choose a vote without reading all the facts.

Edit* Also if I was just trying to get people off nag why wouldn't I vote fircoal? Or I could have even kept on the bandwagon and got a quick lynch then nag would be safe for now. Hell if you had any reason at all for voting nag I probably wouldn't have voted but the fact that you're jumping on random votes without reading strikes something odd to me.

kratos, editing is against the rules. It is strictly forbidden. If you do it again, I have no choice but to modkill you. If you want to edit, quote the original post and create a new post. It doesn't matter if you doublepost.

[kratos644]

Sorry. I didn't realize this being my first game. It won't happen again.

[kratos644]

Sorry. I didn't realize this being my first game. It won't happen again.

EBWODP

Rules:
1....

2. Do not edit/delete previous posts. Whatever you say goes into historical record.

I'm stupid. I guess my only reason is I forgot about reading this rule just like so many forgot the deadline's were in the rules.

At least I've learned.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry. I didn't realize this being my first game. It won't happen again.

I realize that, and that is why you are still alive. Keep on truckin'

[Mr. Squirrel]

unvote
I'm really not liking the way nagerous is playing in general. If nag disagrees with the bandwagon on fissk, he should be attacking the players who are leading the bandwagon, not jonty. To me it seems like nag is purposely trying to distance himself from a bandwagon that had perfectly legitimate reasons behind it. Now, I can understand not jumping on the bandwagon, but actively defending the guilty party seems a bit odd. Even more odd is how nag chooses to attack the newest and least experienced member of that bandwagon (actually, I'm not sure if shaggy is newer than jonty or not... ). Regardless, nag seems to be up to something.
FOS nag

[evilchaos]

unvote
I'm really not liking the way nagerous is playing in general. If nag disagrees with the bandwagon on fissk, he should be attacking the players who are leading the bandwagon, not jonty. To me it seems like nag is purposely trying to distance himself from a bandwagon that had perfectly legitimate reasons behind it. Now, I can understand not jumping on the bandwagon, but actively defending the guilty party seems a bit odd. Even more odd is how nag chooses to attack the newest and least experienced member of that bandwagon (actually, I'm not sure if shaggy is newer than jonty or not... ). Regardless, nag seems to be up to something.
FOS nag

I would wait to see what role Fissk/Hank are if they're lynched. Nag has associated himself with them, and if they're scum, then Nag may be. I'm not nearly as suspicious of Nag as I am Fissk/Hank.

[TheFissk]

people have asked me why i did what i did and i replied, yet people still insist i defend my self so here is the encore presentation.

i voted for evilchaos simply because he was attacking everyone and everything in sight and i wanted to see what his reaction would be after the application of pressure. that was of course my first mistake, a few post later after observing his reaction and receiving pressure i withdrew my vote and provided a explanation which the rest found to be weak (its the truth) and therefore to be scummy, my second mistake. then after a slight bandwagon started nag decided to attack one of the members of the bandwagon (for reasons reference nag) and started to receive flak, i then posted attacking fircoal my third mistake.

i've made three mistakes in just a few days (my first game) and therefore have deserved everything i've got. the scum will try there hardest to get me removed. you can help them or not. your choice.

[kratos644]

unvote vote Fissk for voting a player with no reason (at the time of voting) and then providing a weak defense.

Explain yourself Hank or your getting my vote.

I'm going to go ahead and add a FOS on jonty as he appears to be searching for multiple bandwagons to hop on. I will give it to him that hank has been very suspicious and some sort of checking into him will be needed whether it be forcing a role claim or some other means but that doesn't change the fact that jonty hops from one bandwagon to the next. I suppose it's also worthy to note that he didn't officially switch his vote but just threatened to do so.

has anyone ever heard of a mafia alliance?

We have a "???" vote on TheFissk.
Perhaps there's a doublevoter out there?

If there is we need to find out who!

Then we also have a FOS on hank for all his odd comments he's been making. He's definitely putting a lot of suspicion onto himself. The first comment was more or less an oddity. The second comment was something only scum would need to know the answer to though.

vote evilchaos

200th reply

i love spam!

ah... my vote for evilchaos was because he was seriously pressuring anyone who made a single move and i wanted to see he reaction to a surprise and aggressive vote... on second though it does look really scummy... although his wording is good...

unvote evilchaos

hope i didn't make that fatal mistake...

i think you could have been a little more creative than just copying his post and changing the last sentence but i guess their are time constraints...

plus i have half a mind to vote for you for a similar same reason everyone is bandwagoning me (at least you tried to explain your self) but i'll hold for now...

after many long hours of figuring I've discovered a formula that knows exactly you chances of winning

...

Yada yada a bunch of annoying spam by Fissk that didn't help his case

Fissk, give me a GREAT reason not to vote on you.

Never do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow
-William Pulteney, Earl of Bath, English MP

I see that you have made three spelling mistakes
-Thomas de Mahay, Marquis de Favras, French aristocrat, his last words upon reading his death sentence before being
guillotined

life is not defined by your achievements but the mistakes you make, don't let this be one.

Followed up by a very weak defense if you could even call it on...

people have asked me why i did what i did and i replied, yet people still insist i defend my self so here is the encore presentation.

i voted for evilchaos simply because he was attacking everyone and everything in sight and i wanted to see what his reaction would be after the application of pressure. that was of course my first mistake, a few post later after observing his reaction and receiving pressure i withdrew my vote and provided a explanation which the rest found to be weak (its the truth) and therefore to be scummy, my second mistake. then after a slight bandwagon started nag decided to attack one of the members of the bandwagon (for reasons reference nag) and started to receive flak, i then posted attacking fircoal my third mistake.

i've made three mistakes in just a few days (my first game) and therefore have deserved everything i've got. the scum will try there hardest to get me removed. you can help them or not. your choice.

And this has been Fissk's most recent defense. While odd for now I accept playing it off to the fact that it's his first game. I will be keeping my eye on Fissk for now though but I'm not sure that he deserves a FOS from me quite yet.

Can't be arsed to read the pages I've missed. Anyway, unvote vote nagerous because he's skummeh

So first he makes a random vote on nag who had a decent explanation as to why he voted the way he did. His only reason for his vote is "because he's skummeh" but I think what bothered me the most is what I underlined. If you're going to make a vote on someone at least do your research and come up with a logical reason. I see no benefit for a townie to make random lynches but lot's of motivation for scum to do so and it's also possible that we were on to something with the leads we were prodding at so he tried to divert attention however lame an attempt it was.

Are you really going to make a vote on someone without doing your research on what has happened?
Vote Army of GOD

Way to tip your hand. unvote vote kratos

He's trying to get people off nag, so he's obviously working with him. I don't like it...smells like scum.

And he finished off with an OMGUS vote on me and says because I don't like that he makes votes without reading up on things that I must be scum trying to get people off other scums trail.

So far these 4 are the ones that strike odd to me more than anyone else with hank, jonty, and AOG being the most suspicious and the fissk just posting lots of random fluff due to this being his first game but that doesn't make him completely free of suspicion. For now I'm convinced that AOG is up to no good but will also support a D1 lynch of hank or jonty if the deadline approaches and it's needed. I'm not convinced on fissk yet but we do have plenty of time left and that could and may change.

[evilchaos]

people have asked me why i did what i did and i replied, yet people still insist i defend my self so here is the encore presentation.

i voted for evilchaos simply because he was attacking everyone and everything in sight and i wanted to see what his reaction would be after the application of pressure. that was of course my first mistake, a few post later after observing his reaction and receiving pressure i withdrew my vote and provided a explanation which the rest found to be weak (its the truth) and therefore to be scummy, my second mistake. then after a slight bandwagon started nag decided to attack one of the members of the bandwagon (for reasons reference nag) and started to receive flak, i then posted attacking fircoal my third mistake.

i've made three mistakes in just a few days (my first game) and therefore have deserved everything i've got. the scum will try there hardest to get me removed. you can help them or not. your choice.

This horrible defense is my final straw for Fissk. The bandwagon for Fissk was based on some very suspicious activity. He tries to play it off as an attempt by scum to lynch a townie. His "defense" is just "I made several mistakes. Are you really going to side with scum?" That is even more suspicious than saying nothing.

Unvote vote Fissk

Also, for reasons stated above:
FoS Hank

[jimfinn]

"You can help them or not" massive AtE, massive attempted guiltrip on anyone who would want to vote you.

terrible. truly terrible.

unvote vote fissk

[Army of GOD]

Guys, Fissk did nothing wrong, get off his back.

FOS jimfinn and evilchaos for bandwagonning

[evilchaos]

Guys, Fissk did nothing wrong, get off his back.

FOS jimfinn and evilchaos for bandwagonning

Fissk has supported Hank in the past by voting against people who questioned him. Hank has made many suspicious comments, including asking about a "mafia alliance" and expressing a desire to find the double voter.

The majority of Fissk's posts have had no substance whatsoever, and certainly have not helped us in pursuing leads for scum.

Fissk's defenses to accusations against him have been extremely weak, mostly based on admitting to making mistakes and then assuming we will forget them because of it.

His last defense tried to make us feel guilty by saying that scum must be behind the large number of votes for him, when all accusations against him have been based only on suspicious actions that he has taken.

I've expressed my suspicion of Fissk and Hank right along since near the beginning. Hank was the first person I questioned about doing something scummy, and Fissk was the second. I haven't seriously questioned the actions of anyone else (although I did express some degree of doubt about freezie's claims of being a miller at the beginning). The evidence against Fissk has gotten to the point where I can't ignore it, and so I voted for him. That isn't really bandwagoning.