The Big Lebowski Mafia - Mafia and Lyncher win!

[Anarkistsdream]

Not me! However, there are not many people I trust in this game, and they are the ones not posting... However, exams are sucking for us all.

[spiesr]

Well, strike, I don't really know what to say in response to your case against me. A lot of what you mentioned is sort of my general play style. When there is hardly any solid evidence to go on, I tend to hold my votes back until someone gives off enough scum vibe that I latch on. Often this coincides with the main case/bandwagon of the day. I usually prefer having actions and claims and whatnot to analyze. Sometimes I join a bandwagon at least partially to simply get the game to move forward. When i actually bite on a case and think someone is scum I may through out theoretical accusations. When this is nothing going on in a game that I really peaks my interest to discuss, I may end up lying low. Often early on it might take me a while to really come to any sort of decision on how to proceed, thus making posts that don't really lock me down into anything. I don't know, basically most of what you said is just kinda how I end up playing. On another note, I admit that I have been neglecting this game lately as there wasn't really anything going on, no worthwhile leads or anything. Since finals are over and I am moved back now, I should have some time to post more this week and will attempt to be more helpful in this game...

[FloresDelMal]

i have read everything but i really find myself not having much to say :s i don't really know what to do now, spiers case seems quite circumstantial to me now for fos him or vote him, i could like to see how things develop or if our investigative roles can provide us with leads.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hm well apparently no one found anything about Nark. I would like to point to this:

sounds good to me unvote doom yoshi im glad you are speaking up yoshi, next time if you have doubts just ask, i have been playing for a while now, and i encounter roles i didn't know quite often, in my experience you can always find someone who will oblige and explain.

FOS pancake, mandy crazy ass theories are right half of the time, and at the moment that seems better than the other leads on the table (meaning anarkist and streak).

A few posts after my case on Nark, she dismisses it subtly by fosing pancakes and endorsing whatever the crazy mandy theory du jour was.

-Tails

[Anarkistsdream]

Tail, I will not out you, but I know who you are and that you are town... You are one of the few people I trust. Please, believe me when I say I am on your side.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Tail, I will not out you, but I know who you are and that you are town... You are one of the few people I trust. Please, believe me when I say I am on your side.

Well, way to draw attention to yourself... It's not like anyone was taking me seriously anyway. Just let me ramble on.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

[Anarkistsdream]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

Non'ya...

And if he would have backed off like I had hinted at several times, I wouldn't have had to, but he wouldn't quit trying to assign some blame to me.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

Non'ya...

And if he would have backed off like I had hinted at several times, I wouldn't have had to, but he wouldn't quit trying to assign some blame to me.

To be fair, my last post was regarding Flores. I could see that no one was behind my thoughts on you.

For now, I'm gonna throw an FOS at Wolf, because his posts throughout the game have caught my attention a couple of times. He defended Yoshi, maybe thinking he was town, but then realized that perhaps he was SK or third party and decided to stop. He then makes a case against spiesr, only after spiesr stated that it's likely Strike wasn't investigated last night, but he did play the "yeah spiesr's right, I probably wasn't investigated" card in order to appear like he's cooperating with town. He now wants info on Nark, when it's clear that Nark either is investigative in nature or has game-related info.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

Non'ya...

And if he would have backed off like I had hinted at several times, I wouldn't have had to, but he wouldn't quit trying to assign some blame to me.

To be fair, my last post was regarding Flores. I could see that no one was behind my thoughts on you.

For now, I'm gonna throw an FOS at Wolf, because his posts throughout the game have caught my attention a couple of times. He defended Yoshi, maybe thinking he was town, but then realized that perhaps he was SK or third party and decided to stop. He then makes a case against spiesr, only after spiesr stated that it's likely Strike wasn't investigated last night, but he did play the "yeah spiesr's right, I probably wasn't investigated" card in order to appear like he's cooperating with town. He now wants info on Nark, when it's clear that Nark either is investigative in nature or has game-related info.

-Tails

yes you're right I did defend yoshi about the hammer issue. I honestly felt it was a misunderstanding about intentions and I could see how he might mistake the role as one he hadn't seen before.

you almost make it sound like it happened right after spiesr's comment. I came up with the case on spiesr because I felt his behavior stood out and I made a case. I still feel it stood out and while he came up with a fairly solid defense I still think it was the right case for the time especially after the game was stagnating a bit. As far as the no one investigated me comment, I don't think it even sounds like a cooperative comment standing alone. I know that does not sound like a good defense in and of itself but I just find his reasoning for finding that comment scummy in and of itself rather weak basis for the speculation of how it could make me scum. As for the comment itself, I made it simply to point out it as an inaccuracy to assume a player is cleared because you expected them to be investigated based on information that is no longer accurate.

admittedly that was poorly phrased by me. I was not asking nark to confess how he knew I meant why he picked that moment to reveal information on you. It didn't seem to me that there was any immediate reason to but while you say the post about flores and I do believe that is the case I can see how nark read it as you again going after him and the first part of your post does make it sound like you were hoping someone could give you a reason to go after him. I would also like to add that roles with game related info can apply to mafia members who know each other and could have a good idea of who is town.

[FloresDelMal]

Anark, you know i like you very much but after you needlessly outed a town role (you weren't at risk of lynch, seriously, at all) i cant ignore the fact that i dont see how you could be protown in any way, you are way too experienced to do this kind of mindless mistakes

vote anarkist

[spiesr]

Meh, not much going on here, so I am going to try and build off Tailgunner's comment about Flores.

sounds good to me unvote doom yoshi im glad you are speaking up yoshi, next time if you have doubts just ask, i have been playing for a while now, and i encounter roles i didn't know quite often, in my experience you can always find someone who will oblige and explain.
FOS pancake, mandy crazy ass theories are right half of the time, and at the moment that seems better than the other leads on the table (meaning anarkist and streak).

A few posts after my case on Nark, she dismisses it subtly by fosing pancakes and endorsing whatever the crazy mandy theory du jour was.

Also i believe that with all the yoshi's defending that strike did someone must have investigated him, and the fact that no one has pop up with an accusation kinda clears him.

This here strikes me as scummy. I just get a vibe from this of a scum mate trying to cover for her partner. Or perhaps the WIFOM version of making fake connections with townies. Anyhow, just smells like scum to me. Meh, I will toss a vote Flores out...

[mandalorian2298]

Hi guys. I apologize for my lack of activity but, at the present time, I am unable to muster enough time, energy and taste for argument (too much stupid fights in real life ) to play decent mafia. I apologize for taking so long, I should have done this sooner.

Please replace me, Nag.

[nagerous]

Alright, fircoal can now re-replace you. If anyone wants to know why fircoal was replaced in the first place is because I accidently copy and pasted DoomYoshi's role to him in a msn chat when I meant to send another link Now that Doom is dead he can rejoin.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

Non'ya...

And if he would have backed off like I had hinted at several times, I wouldn't have had to, but he wouldn't quit trying to assign some blame to me.

To be fair, my last post was regarding Flores. I could see that no one was behind my thoughts on you.

For now, I'm gonna throw an FOS at Wolf, because his posts throughout the game have caught my attention a couple of times. He defended Yoshi, maybe thinking he was town, but then realized that perhaps he was SK or third party and decided to stop. He then makes a case against spiesr, only after spiesr stated that it's likely Strike wasn't investigated last night, but he did play the "yeah spiesr's right, I probably wasn't investigated" card in order to appear like he's cooperating with town. He now wants info on Nark, when it's clear that Nark either is investigative in nature or has game-related info.

-Tails

yes you're right I did defend yoshi about the hammer issue. I honestly felt it was a misunderstanding about intentions and I could see how he might mistake the role as one he hadn't seen before.

you almost make it sound like it happened right after spiesr's comment. I came up with the case on spiesr because I felt his behavior stood out and I made a case. I still feel it stood out and while he came up with a fairly solid defense I still think it was the right case for the time especially after the game was stagnating a bit. As far as the no one investigated me comment, I don't think it even sounds like a cooperative comment standing alone. I know that does not sound like a good defense in and of itself but I just find his reasoning for finding that comment scummy in and of itself rather weak basis for the speculation of how it could make me scum. As for the comment itself, I made it simply to point out it as an inaccuracy to assume a player is cleared because you expected them to be investigated based on information that is no longer accurate.

admittedly that was poorly phrased by me. I was not asking nark to confess how he knew I meant why he picked that moment to reveal information on you. It didn't seem to me that there was any immediate reason to but while you say the post about flores and I do believe that is the case I can see how nark read it as you again going after him and the first part of your post does make it sound like you were hoping someone could give you a reason to go after him. I would also like to add that roles with game related info can apply to mafia members who know each other and could have a good idea of who is town.

It's easy to claim that, but what I'm saying is that you, as alleged scum, could use the scum tactic where you defend a townie or n00b townie to earn brownie points and appear pro-town. However, after DY's defense fell apart, you began to realize that maybe he wasn't town (he isn't on your faction sort of thing...) and turned on him. Plus you were starting to get flak from it, and decided to back off.

spiesr's comment--Thu May 05, 2011 6:53 am
Your case on spiesr--after only 15 posts (one page) dated Mon May 09, 2011 1:49 pm
So while there is 4 rl days between the posts, there's only one page and activity has been flagging due to finals and whatnot. Game-wise there wasn't a lot of time between them. Anyway, the way I read it, you could appear to be lending credence to spiesr's theory, and basically inviting someone to investigate you in hopes that you earn their trust.

That green you picked is horrid, I'm using this one. I'll take your word for that one. It's true that not only town have info, but with my role I doubt any scum have info on me. I'm pretty sure I know who Nark is, and he would be town.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

Well for saying you did not want to out him I think you've done a fairly decent job of it. What exactly spurred this revelation?

Non'ya...

And if he would have backed off like I had hinted at several times, I wouldn't have had to, but he wouldn't quit trying to assign some blame to me.

To be fair, my last post was regarding Flores. I could see that no one was behind my thoughts on you.

For now, I'm gonna throw an FOS at Wolf, because his posts throughout the game have caught my attention a couple of times. He defended Yoshi, maybe thinking he was town, but then realized that perhaps he was SK or third party and decided to stop. He then makes a case against spiesr, only after spiesr stated that it's likely Strike wasn't investigated last night, but he did play the "yeah spiesr's right, I probably wasn't investigated" card in order to appear like he's cooperating with town. He now wants info on Nark, when it's clear that Nark either is investigative in nature or has game-related info.

-Tails

yes you're right I did defend yoshi about the hammer issue. I honestly felt it was a misunderstanding about intentions and I could see how he might mistake the role as one he hadn't seen before.

you almost make it sound like it happened right after spiesr's comment. I came up with the case on spiesr because I felt his behavior stood out and I made a case. I still feel it stood out and while he came up with a fairly solid defense I still think it was the right case for the time especially after the game was stagnating a bit. As far as the no one investigated me comment, I don't think it even sounds like a cooperative comment standing alone. I know that does not sound like a good defense in and of itself but I just find his reasoning for finding that comment scummy in and of itself rather weak basis for the speculation of how it could make me scum. As for the comment itself, I made it simply to point out it as an inaccuracy to assume a player is cleared because you expected them to be investigated based on information that is no longer accurate.

admittedly that was poorly phrased by me. I was not asking nark to confess how he knew I meant why he picked that moment to reveal information on you. It didn't seem to me that there was any immediate reason to but while you say the post about flores and I do believe that is the case I can see how nark read it as you again going after him and the first part of your post does make it sound like you were hoping someone could give you a reason to go after him. I would also like to add that roles with game related info can apply to mafia members who know each other and could have a good idea of who is town.

It's easy to claim that, but what I'm saying is that you, as alleged scum, could use the scum tactic where you defend a townie or n00b townie to earn brownie points and appear pro-town. However, after DY's defense fell apart, you began to realize that maybe he wasn't town (he isn't on your faction sort of thing...) and turned on him. Plus you were starting to get flak from it, and decided to back off.

spiesr's comment--Thu May 05, 2011 6:53 am
Your case on spiesr--after only 15 posts (one page) dated Mon May 09, 2011 1:49 pm
So while there is 4 rl days between the posts, there's only one page and activity has been flagging due to finals and whatnot. Game-wise there wasn't a lot of time between them. Anyway, the way I read it, you could appear to be lending credence to spiesr's theory, and basically inviting someone to investigate you in hopes that you earn their trust.

That green you picked is horrid, I'm using this one. I'll take your word for that one. It's true that not only town have info, but with my role I doubt any scum have info on me. I'm pretty sure I know who Nark is, and he would be town.

-Tails

I realize that and I am not trying to come up with any argument why that would not make sense I am simply explaining my reasoning for why I defended yoshi and I fell I've been consistent about that reasoning throughout. The backing off, the first post was not me backing away from his defense it was more an irritated cry from me for him to explain his reasoning not just post a one line post about vague scum vibes. Beyond that I did start to get the impression I might have ended up defending the wrong new player and was a bit frustrated over the fact. As far as the haggis incident...admittedly I was tired and distracted and while I read everything I didn't really process it properly I should have considered the post in more detail...I do not have a good defense for that action.

yes four rl days to read back through the thread and find someone I found to be scummy. In this case I was getting some vibes from spiesr. I followed through on it. I did not agree with him on one post and immediately turn around and say hey this guy is scum I had a few days to think about it and read over material to find evidence which I did against spiesr. Honestly if someone wants to investigate me go ahead. They should just realize they are wasting their time.

[Color=green] fair enough as long as you considered my point which it looks like you did.

[Fircoal]

Confirm, I'll be reading up on et soon. ;3

[nagerous]

Vote Count

Anarkistsdream (1) Floresdelmal

There are 10 alive and it takes six to lynch.

[nagerous]

Due to continual inactivity I am going to be imposing a deadline, which is the 20th May. That gives you six days to come to a lynch and it should be a plenty. If you are uninterested in playing please have the common decency to send me a PM and I will replace you, otherwise sort it out.

[Anarkistsdream]

K it's almost midnight and my new house is currently w/out internet, so I'll be posting as I'm reading along. This post may end abruptly as I'll submit right before my battery dies (it only lasts about 35 mins tops ), and I'm outside on the street next to a coffee shop with no outlet. So excuse any weirdness, no time for editing.

FOS pancake, mandy crazy ass theories are right half of the time, and at the moment that seems better than the other leads on the table (meaning anarkist and streak).

Defending Nark? But you fos pancake, who previously said something along the lines of "yeah, I see what you're saying about Nark, but that just typical of him." Who turned out to be town.

I'm getting weird vibes from ga7, but then again, I think in every game I've played with him I've accused him at least once, so nothing going there yet (btw I'm only on like page 17 right now, so who knows if that'll hold). He was clearly anti-pancake, but voted for I think tonka.

The main thing I'm trying to figure is who was genuinely against Yoshi and who took advantage of his scumminess.

my lovely niece just went out with her grandma and i got the time to get my ass here and read, and the only thing i got was yoshi repeating him/her self over and over again with the same flawed logic and baseless accusations (he lied, i swear!!! that's why i hammered, don't take it on me, i'm just a noob with a theater background), then accusing pcm of flaming (btw what i just did in the previous parenthesis it can be consider flaming, not what pcm said) so i see no reason for unvote yoshi, that being said, i wont be able to participate on real daily basis because i'm too busy taking care of my niece while she is in holidays with us.

It's clear at this point that yoshi is the next lynch, she joins in and says her piece.

okay crap this is all I have time for; take everything I said w/ a grain of salt, too rough at this point.

À demain

-A cold Tails

This is the most solid thing I can find since this day started to go on. Considering I trust Tails, and considering Flores just won't stop trying to point some accusation at me for something, I am going to go ahead and

Vote: Flores

Now, yes, some of it may be OMGUS, but it gets REALLY old having someone tell you that "that's not how someone would play" when you really can't make such a subjective statement. Also, Tails does make somewhat of a point here, and besides the lynch of Yoshi, nobody has really done anything to alert on.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Anark, you know i like you very much but after you needlessly outed a town role (you weren't at risk of lynch, seriously, at all) i cant ignore the fact that i dont see how you could be protown in any way, you are way too experienced to do this kind of mindless mistakes

vote anarkist

Now so far, we have what appears to me to be a series of victimless crimes...

Actually I can't help but feel that this is another example of someone trying to earn brownie points by taking advantage of a situation. The fact is that he didn't out anybody important, I'm more concerned that he revealed something about himself, and this is a perfect opportunity for scum to say "well he can't be pro-town" and garner some trust.

At this point, we've lost 5 town and 1 third party, with no mafia deaths. We started with 16, we're down to 10. I'm guessing that the mafia would be the nihilists (they believe in nothing), which means they could be 3-4 strong, which would fit with the amount of players we've got (remember there's the 3 guys and the one girl who gave up her toe). So it could be 4v5 right now, LyLo, or 3v6, still not great. I think that everybody should be aware of this, because obviously it's in the best interest of the scum to not acknowledge this and just keep truckin' along.

I know I'm the last person who should be saying this, but I would like to hear more from the others. At this point, assuming LyLo, I'm gonna vote Flores for reasons stated above.

-Tails

[Anarkistsdream]

You're not the last person who should be saying that... You have contributed far more than some of the others in this game. Haggis and Ga7 have been MUCH quieter than you, which would lead me to say two things:

1) They should be prodded or replaced
2) If they KNOW they are submarining, they are probably the mafia.

[strike wolf]

I'm submarining

Jk. In all honesty I am working on something to post in this thread mostly a continuation of what the spiesr post should have looked like if I hadn't been running low on time. It involves a couple other cases. Hopefully I will have time to finish it tonight but I am running out of time right now so I may not post it over the weekend at all.

[spiesr]

Well, the lynch on Flores is okay with me. I am however somewhat wary of those who are presumably about to jump on this bandwagon, what role will the scum play?

[Anarkistsdream]

Well, the lynch on Flores is okay with me. I am however somewhat wary of those who are presumably about to jump on this bandwagon, what role will the scum play?

A quick lynch, if she is town... If she is scum, I doubt you will see many votes cast on her.