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Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Since deadline is on Friday, I thought we should get down to business as soon as we can.
Here are the characters I can think of from the movie
1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Could be investigative role/cop
6. Beadle Bamford- roleblocker?
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- Could be some sort of hidden lover (i.e. Todd dies if she does)
8. Anthony Hope- Maybe Lover with Johanna
9. Johanna- Maybe lover with Anthony
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. ??? Could be Todd's alter ego, not sure who would be left.
There are a few problems with the list. The mafia is likely to be Turpin, Beadle and possiby Pirelli as they are the 'villains'. Or another possibility for the third mafia is the asylum owner (Fogg?). Sweeney Todd is more likely Vig than SK.
Where are their killing abilities going to come from? Remember Todd basically declared war on everybody, so him being some sort of SKer makes the most sense. Remember, in an 11 man game, we might not have a traditional mafia. And 3 men as mafia in 11 players is too much.
unvote vote DoomYoshi
3 out of 11? Isn't that exactly what the setup was for BttF mafia? vote safariguy5 for blatantly lying. So you are suggesting that the mafia don't get a kill because they don't kill anyone in the musical?edocsil wrote:Soooooo tempted to do a a quick D1 hammer just for fun. Likely a bad idea. So with only a week for a day to we force him to claim or not? It is mostly joke votes, but idk, there was some evidence in there.....
such as...naxus wrote:If you count my vote(which squirell missed, then dooms is at L-1)
He might as well claim, that or someone unvote to avoid accidental hammer
Ok, I am the town screw you guys for putting me at L-1; better known as the watcher. My character is Lucy.
safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Since deadline is on Friday, I thought we should get down to business as soon as we can.
Here are the characters I can think of from the movie
1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Could be investigative role/cop
6. Beadle Bamford- roleblocker?
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- Could be some sort of hidden lover (i.e. Todd dies if she does)
8. Anthony Hope- Maybe Lover with Johanna
9. Johanna- Maybe lover with Anthony
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. ??? Could be Todd's alter ego, not sure who would be left.
There are a few problems with the list. The mafia is likely to be Turpin, Beadle and possiby Pirelli as they are the 'villains'. Or another possibility for the third mafia is the asylum owner (Fogg?). Sweeney Todd is more likely Vig than SK.
Where are their killing abilities going to come from? Remember Todd basically declared war on everybody, so him being some sort of SKer makes the most sense. Remember, in an 11 man game, we might not have a traditional mafia. And 3 men as mafia in 11 players is too much.
unvote vote DoomYoshi
edocsil wrote:Soooooo tempted to do a a quick D1 hammer just for fun. Likely a bad idea. So with only a week for a day to we force him to claim or not? It is mostly joke votes, but idk, there was some evidence in there.....
naxus wrote:If you count my vote(which squirell missed, then dooms is at L-1)
He might as well claim, that or someone unvote to avoid accidental hammer
Commander9 wrote:Agreed with most, but I'm 95% sure that Judge Turpin is not going to be a pro-town role.
DoomYoshi wrote:safari wrote:And 3 men as mafia in 11 players is too much.
unvote vote DoomYoshi
3 out of 11? Isn't that exactly what the setup was for BttF mafia?
naxus wrote:Lucy doesn't fit as a watcher from the character description I just read.
Unvote for now but need some with more knowledge on the subject to voice in
edocsil wrote:Also balance>realism, claim sounds good till proven otherwise. Nice job their boys with the insta bandwagon on a investigative role. At least it isn't the doc.
safariguy5 wrote:Did you consider that Todd as SKer and Lovett and maybe Toby helping him consists of the anti town faction. Town here being the London town.
And here's the thing, most of the characters are obviously aligned against Todd, which would make Turpin and Beadle unlikely as mafia as it would emcompass Pirelli and Fogg and make mafia much too large. If you are lucy and claimed town, then why would you automatically assume that Turpin and the Beadle are mafia? Clearly, Lucy doesn't figure into the town equation too much if you are claiming to be somehow connected to Todd.
It's like Tarantino for goodness sakes, everyone's a bad guy, but the numbers have to shake out to dictate one side as mafia. Todd and Lovett and perhaps one other person probably constitute the anti town faction whether it is mafia in a true sense or as I suspect Todd as a masoned SKer. The difference being that mafia can continue to kill if we get rid of Todd while if he's an SKer, the NK's should stop once we get rid of him.
As for the roleclaim, I think it's definitely possible that Lucy is a watcher, but I doubt her town alignment, could be third party survivor, but just about everyone (including Todd and Anthony) look down upon her.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:WHAT. THE. f*ck. happened here? ...
Wow, I've never seen shit like this.
First of all unvote
So let's see, safari posts a character list and starts some favour speculation. Ok, fair enough at the beginning of D1, though since we don't have an inexperienced mod on our hands I very much doubt we'll be able to pin-point the set-up that easily.
Then, the fun starts:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Since deadline is on Friday, I thought we should get down to business as soon as we can.
Here are the characters I can think of from the movie
1. Sweeney Todd- Probaby SKer
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, could be masoned with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- Not sure...
4. Pirelli- Could be locator, looking for Todd
5. Judge Turpin- Could be investigative role/cop
6. Beadle Bamford- roleblocker?
7. Beggar woman/Lucy- Could be some sort of hidden lover (i.e. Todd dies if she does)
8. Anthony Hope- Maybe Lover with Johanna
9. Johanna- Maybe lover with Anthony
10. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
11. ??? Could be Todd's alter ego, not sure who would be left.
There are a few problems with the list. The mafia is likely to be Turpin, Beadle and possiby Pirelli as they are the 'villains'. Or another possibility for the third mafia is the asylum owner (Fogg?). Sweeney Todd is more likely Vig than SK.
Where are their killing abilities going to come from? Remember Todd basically declared war on everybody, so him being some sort of SKer makes the most sense. Remember, in an 11 man game, we might not have a traditional mafia. And 3 men as mafia in 11 players is too much.
unvote vote DoomYoshi
Dude, did you just put him at L-1 because he disagreed with your flavour speculation?edocsil wrote:Soooooo tempted to do a a quick D1 hammer just for fun. Likely a bad idea. So with only a week for a day to we force him to claim or not? It is mostly joke votes, but idk, there was some evidence in there.....
Seriously? What evidence?
I read this as: "Holy shit, someone's at L-1 already. I need to pressure a claim in such a way that I can later distance myself from the waggon."
This is not the reaction I expect from an experienced player in such a situation.naxus wrote:If you count my vote(which squirell missed, then dooms is at L-1)
He might as well claim, that or someone unvote to avoid accidental hammer
aaand another one. Following edoc's lead? your vote is a JOKE VOTE, how about YOU UNVOTE?Commander9 wrote:Agreed with most, but I'm 95% sure that Judge Turpin is not going to be a pro-town role.
et tu, Commander? no comment on the damn elephant in the room?DoomYoshi wrote:safari wrote:And 3 men as mafia in 11 players is too much.
unvote vote DoomYoshi
3 out of 11? Isn't that exactly what the setup was for BttF mafia?
Good point. Safari?naxus wrote:Lucy doesn't fit as a watcher from the character description I just read.
Unvote for now but need some with more knowledge on the subject to voice in
read as: "Woo, we got an investigative role. Well, there's no way in hell we'll get away with a lynch on this waggon, so now's the time to jump off".edocsil wrote:Also balance>realism, claim sounds good till proven otherwise. Nice job their boys with the insta bandwagon on a investigative role. At least it isn't the doc.
read as "claim done, begin distancing from waggon". How about you pointing out how shitty this waggon is in your previous post, y'know, before the claim?safariguy5 wrote:Did you consider that Todd as SKer and Lovett and maybe Toby helping him consists of the anti town faction. Town here being the London town.
And here's the thing, most of the characters are obviously aligned against Todd, which would make Turpin and Beadle unlikely as mafia as it would emcompass Pirelli and Fogg and make mafia much too large. If you are lucy and claimed town, then why would you automatically assume that Turpin and the Beadle are mafia? Clearly, Lucy doesn't figure into the town equation too much if you are claiming to be somehow connected to Todd.
It's like Tarantino for goodness sakes, everyone's a bad guy, but the numbers have to shake out to dictate one side as mafia. Todd and Lovett and perhaps one other person probably constitute the anti town faction whether it is mafia in a true sense or as I suspect Todd as a masoned SKer. The difference being that mafia can continue to kill if we get rid of Todd while if he's an SKer, the NK's should stop once we get rid of him.
As for the roleclaim, I think it's definitely possible that Lucy is a watcher, but I doubt her town alignment, could be third party survivor, but just about everyone (including Todd and Anthony) look down upon her.
Ah, some more lovely flavour speculation.
God, I'm starting to sound like Knox with condemning the flavour spec but this is ridiculous.
Just so I get this straight. You jump on a joke waggon, put yoshi at L-1 for flavour spec, force a claim. He claims watcher and now you're actually still supporting his lynch based SOLELY on flavour spec? ...
This is just unreal ...
In my oppinion, ANY of these actions by you four are case-worthy. To have all 4 of them at the same time is just ... is this a prank or what? ...
Guess I'll go with vote safari for starting this thing, the 3 out of 11 comment and still pushing for it.
DoomYoshi wrote:Lucy is town, and if she is then it makes sense for Todd to be town.
I didn't have any information in specific regarding Turpin or who mafia is, but if you did then why didn't you share more explicitly?
safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Lucy is town, and if she is then it makes sense for Todd to be town.
I didn't have any information in specific regarding Turpin or who mafia is, but if you did then why didn't you share more explicitly?
Because sharing that information would force me to reveal what role I am, but I assure you, if Lucy is town, there is no way that Sweeney Todd is town, and your continued belief that Todd is town is why I continue to think that you are lying about Lucy being town.
DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Lucy is town, and if she is then it makes sense for Todd to be town.
I didn't have any information in specific regarding Turpin or who mafia is, but if you did then why didn't you share more explicitly?
Because sharing that information would force me to reveal what role I am, but I assure you, if Lucy is town, there is no way that Sweeney Todd is town, and your continued belief that Todd is town is why I continue to think that you are lying about Lucy being town.
Why not? This is an unfounded statement.
What continued belief? I have not pressed that point further after you suggested that there is no way for it to be so.
DoomYoshi wrote:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Lucy is town, and if she is then it makes sense for Todd to be town.
I didn't have any information in specific regarding Turpin or who mafia is, but if you did then why didn't you share more explicitly?
Because sharing that information would force me to reveal what role I am, but I assure you, if Lucy is town, there is no way that Sweeney Todd is town, and your continued belief that Todd is town is why I continue to think that you are lying about Lucy being town.
Why not? This is an unfounded statement.
What continued belief? I have not pressed that point further after you suggested that there is no way for it to be so.
DoomYoshi wrote:You phrased it incorrectly then. Regardless of what your role is, if Lucy is town then it makes sense for Todd to be town as well. They are both "good guys". I was guessing at alignment, I think Todd is a noble champion and Lucy is his loving wife. Obviously, Mr. Squirrel has a different interpretation of the events than I do.
What is the point of a 3rd Party Watcher? It would be useless unless there was a multiple person third party. Since you are comfortable with flavor speculation, let's decide together who, of all people, I would be aligned with.
Safariguy wrote:Town
1. Turpin
2. Beadle
3. Pirelli
4. Fogg
I won't go and speculate about Anthony and Johanna alignment, may be third party lover survivors.
I'm pretty sure these are anti town
1. Todd
2. Lovett
Toby could go either way.
Again, Lucy could be third party, and might be town, but your statements about Todd possibly be town tells me that you probably aren't a town role although watcher is believable.
He is indiscriminate about his killings, believing that he is punishing the corrupt aristocracy for their exploitation of those below them, while saving the lower classes from their misery.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
edocsil wrote:Flavor spec sucks when you are out of the loop, but I just can't watch this movie, I've tried and I just can't do it. Could both of them be bad guys at the same time (turpin and todd) with a some sort of WC that the other must die, and a town caught in the middle? It sounds like a novel setup and seems to fit the flavor you guys are talking about.
pmchugh wrote:If I wasn't lazy, I would sig that
safariguy5 wrote:Did you see the movie? Todd kills his wife, finds out Lovett lied to him, throws Lovett in the oven, cries over his wife's body, and then Toby kills Todd. Todd never recognized Lucy until after she was dead.
naxus wrote:
He is indiscriminate about his killings, believing that he is punishing the corrupt aristocracy for their exploitation of those below them, while saving the lower classes from their misery.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
naxus wrote:naxus wrote:
some jerk who cares about human life wrote:He is indiscriminate about his killings, believing that he is punishing the corrupt aristocracy for their exploitation of those below them, while saving the lower classes from their misery.
I dont think hes a vig because of that quote right there. SK's kill everyone, Vigs kill baddies
DoomYoshi wrote:What is the point of a 3rd Party Watcher? It would be useless unless there was a multiple person third party. Since you are comfortable with flavor speculation, let's decide together who, of all people, I would be aligned with.
safariguy5 wrote:Now looking at my role, I know what side town is. And clearly that makes Todd and company mafia.
safariguy wrote:I'm willing to entertain that idea, but either way, Lucy is far from certain to be a town character as everyone in the movie/play doesn't really pay attention to her.
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