[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[Commander9]

Hold on need to read up had no internet for a day.

I am Simon Tam, Doctor

And jesus people, let someone have a few days to claim instead of trying to railroad over the course of a day

Unvote. I'm 99% sure that it is not fake.

[Fircoal]

Also, this post has a few things about it:

Ok my vote on sheep was not me trying to get him lynched, I just threw a vote out there because he was a tad scummy. I havn't built a case against someone who has only really jokevoted and hasn't posted since saturday

It doesn't really matter what this Day 1 lynch comes from as long as we can extract infos from it.

Thats what i'm saying.

First, naxus says his vote on sheep was not with the intent to lynch. Next, he says he thinks sheep acted scummy. Anyone else see the contradiction?

What you ARE saying, is that you don't seem to like discussion right now. Where will we get the extract infos from then?

Intent to lynch is building a case on someone with grounded suspicions and trying to get more people on the wagon behind you. Throwing a vote at someone because of one thing they did seemed scummy is different. That and this is I think my first game with sheep(and maybe his first game? Havn't seen him around)

Wait a minute so you vote someone for putting someone at L-3 when you THINK THEY'RE NEW!?!?!? Honestly this makes no sense at all. I mean it was obvious it was a joke vote but if you thought they were new wouldn't you know it was just a newbie being a newbie.

Also I find Naxus's claim interesting. I'll wait for a counterclaim. However I will not unvote. Naxus has managed to be way too scummy in such a short time.

[Fircoal]

Also FOS: Shaggy, Jeraado, And somewhat Naggy

Soundman is a noob and does noobish things because he's a noob. There is no reason to look at his noobyness and think it means he's scum. He's a noob probably didn't know better. Trying to corner a noob is a bad thing though it's even worse that you're distracting from the suspicion on Naxus. Seems scummeh to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee~

[soundman]

OK I've made up my mind Vote Naxus

What the blimp???

Unvote

He's at L-2, and you don't seem the least bit interested in his claim? FoS soundman.
No need to lynch him before a claim dude

OK I'm new to this whole mafia games thing so help me out here. What do you mean wait for his claim? And what is the L-2, L-4 stuff?
Sorry if I've been doing this wrong... I have been reading everything though.

Right. I'm pretty new myself, but L-x means x is number of votes until we have a lynch. We will wait until we hear the claim from naxus, which we will either believe, or don't believe. If we believe it, we will unvote and look for the next target. If we think he is making it up, we hang him.
If we put him on a single vote until lynch (L-1) we give the opportunity to mafia or any other non town faction to finish him.

Thanks for the explanation Streaker. I won't make the same mistake twice.

[Streaker]

I've got no time today for a decent post, but Unvote
Unlikely to get a counterclaim there...

[strike wolf]

The claim is real. Or at least there's about a 90% chance it is real. So fir we someone has a case that doesn't fall in line with the main bandwagon makes them scummy? I will agree that soundman is new part but the second part did not make sense to me.

[Fircoal]

The claim is real. Or at least there's about a 90% chance it is real. So fir we someone has a case that doesn't fall in line with the main bandwagon makes them scummy? I will agree that soundman is new part but the second part did not make sense to me.

I think it's more like Naxus is extremely scummy, and it's at the critical point of the case. Ignoring his scumminess just seems scummeh to me. I can't explain it that well. All I know is I'm acting like Mandy. ;3

[mandalorian2298]

Sooo, do we lynch Streaker now?

[Fircoal]

Sooo, do we lynch Streaker now?

Point proven

[nagerous]

I have no idea why you are militantly pursing this lynch Fircoal.. you're acting extremely scummy to me right now. Naxus's claim seems pretty damn solid to me so it looks like we need to pursue other leads. Any elite bodyguards out there, protect nax tonight.

[nagerous]

In fact I'm going to go ahead and vote fircoal. His logic is making no sense right now, I have no idea what he is trying to get at.

[nagerous]

Pointers fircoal: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?tit ... edirect=no

Not to mention the strength of the name claim. What on earth are you playing at?

[strike wolf]

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

[Anarkistsdream]

Yep... I know I'm not Simon Tam and he is a pretty for sure character to be in the game.

Unvote
Vote: Fircoal

[Commander9]

All included, I think Fir could actually be a lyncher and Jayne could fit that role perfectly (He absolutely hates Simon).

[Fircoal]

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

Let me ask you this. 1) How am I acting differently than Mandy? and 2) If I were Mandy would I be voted for this?

I do believe the answer to #2 is obvious.

Also I'm not trying to shut down other cases. If Soundman weren't a noob I think that would be a nice case to go on right now. In fact I may do a bit of investigations on some other players behavior. It's not as much that I find other arguments bad as much as I find a) the idea that ANYONE can think that Naxus wasn't being scummy and doesn't deserve the full attention of the lynch, and b) The fact that it was distracting from the Naxus claiming and such. This case being brought up NOW or BEFORE that wouldn't be as scummy. But the timing was just all wrong. In fact if they want to bring it up now then why not do it. I mean the case on me while being utterly wrong, isn't scummy in itself. (Except for Naggy, I need to check dat outs)

[Fircoal]

I have no idea why you are militantly pursing this lynch Fircoal.. you're acting extremely scummy to me right now. Naxus's claim seems pretty damn solid to me so it looks like we need to pursue other leads. Any elite bodyguards out there, protect nax tonight.

Because I founded the case and I find it extremely valid. I do agree that we do need to pursue other leads but I'm not giving up the idea that Naxus played really scummy. (See now I'm being like pmchung )

[ShaggyDan]

All included, I think Fir could actually be a lyncher and Jayne could fit that role perfectly (He absolutely hates Simon).

You'd imagine Jayne would be vig, or maybe PGO. Besides, they worked out their differences well enough by the end of the series, I'm not ruling it out, but I don't think it fits with the flavour too well. Maybe a lyncher as the blue hands going after Simon and/or River?

@Fircoal: I wasn't trying to distract from the case at all, I was throwing a vote on the next best lead because I wasn't on the Naxus wagon, and I wasn't sure how long it would be before I could post again / it would take to claim and move on.

With such a strong claim there's no reason to pursue Naxus. Regardless of how scummy he played before I doubt we'll see a counterclaim. I'm willing to believe the claim.

[Fircoal]

Posts Since Game Start:
Anarkistsdream – 8
Campin Killer – 1
Commander9 – 9
Edocsil – 5
Fircoal – 21
Iliad – 7
Jeraado – 1
Mandalorian2298 – 3
Nagerous – 9
Naxus – 12
Safari – 7
Shaggydan – 5
Sheepofdumb – 10
Soundman – 5
Streaker – 8
Strike Wolf – 19
Violet – 3

I see I’ve posted more than double of everyone but Strike and Naxus, more than quadruple the amount of Shaggy, and Sound, sextuple the amount of Violet and Mandy, and twentyoneruple the amount of Jeraado and Campin.

1.2. Jeraado
2.13. VioIet
3.12. Iliad
4.8. Fircoal
5.4. Safariguy5
6.5. Naxus
7.6. Sheepofdumb
8.3. Streaker
9.7. Anarkistsdream
10.1. Mandalorian
11.10. ShaggyDan
12.15. Campin Killer
13.9. Commaner9
14.11. Soundman
15.16. Strike Wolf
16.14. Nagerous

vote Jeraado for being first

April 21st - This is Campin's last post in this thread. Can we get a replacement in here?

Since I'm not currently on the naxus wagon (although I do believe he should now claim), mine will be a vote

vote soundman

We can let some mistakes slide for newbies but that was a big one

Hey guys I don’t know if anyone noticed but this is his FIRST post of the actual game. And right off he goes on some silleh case that is more a case of n00byness than anything else. I have a feeling he only came out to vote because this case would be a nice easy one to make. Not much work involved in it, and probably wouldn’t gather that much attention or offense at it. Nice scummarining sir. I guess the next time we’ll see you is next Friday?


A Synopsis of Mandy in This Game:

Vote Fircoal for being Fircoal.

Sorry for the inactivity guys, but I feel kind of sluggish lately.

Right. Vote naxus

And now I silently wait for the wagon on me, because I am the 5th on the wagon...

unvote vote Streaker for blatant WIFOMing.

As for my favorite quote:

Sir Warrick: You have to finish it, lad. [Mal doesn't move] You have to finish it. For a man to lay beaten, yet breathing? It makes him a coward.
Inara: It's humiliation.
Mal: It would be humiliating, having to lie there while the better man refuses to spill your blood. Mercy is the mark of a great man.
[He lightly stabs Atherton.]
Mal: Guess I'm just a good man.
[He repeats the poking.]
Mal: Well, I'm all right.

Sooo, do we lynch Streaker now?

These posts are: 50% Quote, 17% Tradition, and 33% Tunnel Vision. While there is quite a case on Streaker, I don’t think Mandy is the one who really brought it up, nor is he paying attention to any other argument on the field. He’s just scumarinning and tunnel visioning. But of course this doesn’t get any attention because it’s Mandy right? Of course.

Unvote vote naxus

I see no reason not to pressure him further and build upon this wagon. His defences to his actions have been weak at best, his argument that he was trying to prevent a completely random day 1 lynch doesn't really wash with me.

I believe that puts him L-2, this may sound scummy but in the spirit of moving the game forward, naxus I'd think about claiming at some point if you want to survive.

Hey Naggy I’m not sure how the idea of someone claiming would seem scummy but I must say adding in “This may sound scummy” sure does. Seriously what’s the need for those words unless you’re trying to excuse what you’re trying to do?

Wow.... close call there.

HFOS Soundman

Again he’s a noob. And btw nice HFOS, shows you think he’s scummy but you’re not man enough to actually put a vote on him. Don’t want it to be in the records? ;3

In fact I'm going to go ahead and vote fircoal. His logic is making no sense right now, I have no idea what he is trying to get at.

Look’s like someone’s trying to start a bandwagon. And what do you know there isn’t much logic behind it. Maybe you should SHOW what logic doesn’t make sense instead of saying my logic. That’s incredibly vague and leads a lot up to interpretation. It seems like you’re trying to get something started without 1) Putting in any work or 2) Putting your neck on the line. Also just wondering but since when is logic not making sense a scum tell? I mean I could name quite a few players who don’t make logically sense almost every game but they aren’t being lynched almost every game.

Pointers fircoal: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?tit ... edirect=no

Not to mention the strength of the name claim. What on earth are you playing at?

Thank you for linking me to a wiki article that has to do with a different mafia site that plays DIFFERENT MAFIA. I don’t know if you’ve played on Epic Mafia before (I do believe you have because apparently on my list of Alts I have an IheartNagerous account) but it’s a totally different style of game. It’s fast paced as quite a bit of games with open setups and has stuff like whispers, which were mentioned often in the articles. Also due to its rt like nature, the games are usually smaller. You can’t just say that all of this necessarily applies to our way of gameage. Also you can’t confirm that the author knows what he’s doing. For all we know he could be the NES of EpicMafia.

Now that you tired to get me with other people’s work why nawt try some of your own? ;3

Vote Streaker for being 5th on the wagon... and because he expects it.

I agree 100% with Fircoal's post against random voting. On top of all the reasons he said (information, patterns, etc.) at the very least you can vote off who is doing the least scum-hunting, adding confusion or generally just giving a scummy vibe. Information helps town, silence helps scum.

I've only skimmed recently, been busy with RL (and 12-gauge mafia when I'm on here). Will re-read and hopefully have some firmer thoughts on people soon. Sorry guys.

Funny how you say that silence helps the scum considering you’ve only posted 5 times today including a joke vote post and a V/LA post. And the rest of the posts have been like this. Skimming right the top of the action and just going with easy statements. Way to be out there.

So while we're waiting on a Naxus claim I'm going to throw in my 2-cents about Soundman.

So there's two possibilities, either Soundman is truly in-experienced, didn't know the proper vote count, and didn't know the danger of putting someone at L-1. Or he knew the correct vote count and jumped on Nag's miss-count to try for a quick lynch that he could explain later ("I didn't think it would lynch him, just put him at L-1").

If it's the latter it's a very obvious scum-tell, if it's the former I don't think it would hurt to put some pressure on him to see how he responds.

In any case Unvote and Vote Soundman, I believe it's the next best lead if the Naxus wagon falls down to a believed claim.

Here’s more of a case of trying to say something but not saying much. It’s not like what Soundman did and bringing up is controversial or that much work. In fact a guy just above you posted about the scumminess of this. How hard of a case. Btw I like how you bring up the two possibilities each time. It makes a nice easy back out plan if it flops. “Well I just got the possibility wrong!” Yeah… Right.

OK I've made up my mind Vote Naxus

Hey newb, you know that this was just your 3rd post of the game, and the first that wasn’t a joke vote. This is called blatant bandwagoning. DON’T DO ET!!

(I like how newer players at the main one to jump on this too x3)

It does look like Naxus tried to prove his town status and jumped at the opportunity.

Regardless strike wasn't in any danger, and neither did sheeps vote put him in any. It would've been nice if the joke votes continued, but I guess we're through on the other side now.

For someone who says that the joke vote stage was so much fun, you surely weren't an active participant in it. I just re-read the whole thread, and I didn't see any joke votes that popped out at me- that were composed by you. And I didn't even think the joke vote stage in this game was funny. I think you are normally a very articulate player. If you truly meant that you were just going to miss the joke vote phase, because you thought it was so hilarious- i think you would have phrased the wording in your post better. Fir called you out on it first, and saf said it was miscommunication- but i don't think so.

And FOS Sheep, because I think he probably lost count and thought that he hammered.

And yes i realize it sounds like I'm rambling a bit- but its late at night, and I'm operating on about 5 hours sleep. So my apologies if I'm incoherent. Hopefully you get the gist of what I'm trying to say.

And before I forgot.
Unvote
Vote Illiad

Reposted for reference

Fos soundman. I don't think his vote counted as I don't think he ever unvoted but he basically disappeared for quite a few days and then puts (or tries) naxus at L-1 without any comment on the case. Extremely scummy.

I flip…

Soundman's vote while scummy since he is to my knowledge a new player I don't think it was more condemning than Naxus' actions so far. It would make a decent back up case if Naxus flips town but for now i say stay the course.

….and I flop.

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

And then go somewhere else entirely.


Just a question to everyone, but if I was scum then why would I have left my vote on a doctor after he claimed? Wouldn’t that bring unnecessary attention to myself? (Which is what scum want to avoid like the plaque) I don’t see any good reason why a scum would want to argue a dead case. If you can think of a reason please state it, if you can’t please unvote mes.

In Summary:

Prod/Replace Campin

FOS: Naxus, Jeraado, Shaggy, Streaker, Strike, Iliad, Mandy, Sound (In order of scumminess)

Vote: Nagerous

[safariguy5]

Well, the idea of keeping your vote on the claimed doc if you were mafia would be a WIFOM argument, but your post definitely highlights the lack of activity by some people in the thread. Submarining and noobiness aside, I might note that scum roles can be given to anyone, including noobs. So using noobiness as an excuse to give the player a pass is not a really valid strategy fir, random.org isn't going to make considerations like that. That said, I thought that naxus played terribly especially if he was the doctor, and I can understand why chu would be frustrated/suspicous of naxus for drawing so much attention to himself. However, instead of going after nag for taking exception, I think that strike and nark hopping on the wagon are much more scummy for rather weak reasons.

Yep... I know I'm not Simon Tam and he is a pretty for sure character to be in the game.

Unvote
Vote: Fircoal

Way to not really give a reason and blatantly hop on the wagon there.
unvote vote nark/b]

Also, [b]FOS strike wolf for offering slightly more reason but still basically repeating what nag said.

[Fircoal]

Well, the idea of keeping your vote on the claimed doc if you were mafia would be a WIFOM argument

Why yes. Yes it is.

So using noobiness as an excuse to give the player a pass is not a really valid strategy fir, random.org isn't going to make considerations like that.

Safari it's more like this, noobs make lots of errors so people shouldn't be jumping all up at noobs if they're acting scummy because it's likely cause they're noobs. I did in the end had a bit of an fos to soundman mainly due to his posting habits, and the fact that his bandwagon vote way basically the first important thing he did in the thread.

[strike wolf]

Since I'm not currently on the naxus wagon (although I do believe he should now claim), mine will be a vote

vote soundman

We can let some mistakes slide for newbies but that was a big one

Hey guys I don’t know if anyone noticed but this is his FIRST post of the actual game. And right off he goes on some silleh case that is more a case of n00byness than anything else. I have a feeling he only came out to vote because this case would be a nice easy one to make. Not much work involved in it, and probably wouldn’t gather that much attention or offense at it. Nice scummarining sir. I guess the next time we’ll see you is next Friday? [/quote] in jeraado's defense this seems to be how he is acting in all his games from what I have seen.


[/quote]A Synopsis of Mandy in This Game:

Vote Fircoal for being Fircoal.

Sorry for the inactivity guys, but I feel kind of sluggish lately.

Right. Vote naxus

And now I silently wait for the wagon on me, because I am the 5th on the wagon...

unvote vote Streaker for blatant WIFOMing.

As for my favorite quote:

Sir Warrick: You have to finish it, lad. [Mal doesn't move] You have to finish it. For a man to lay beaten, yet breathing? It makes him a coward.
Inara: It's humiliation.
Mal: It would be humiliating, having to lie there while the better man refuses to spill your blood. Mercy is the mark of a great man.
[He lightly stabs Atherton.]
Mal: Guess I'm just a good man.
[He repeats the poking.]
Mal: Well, I'm all right.

Sooo, do we lynch Streaker now?

These posts are: 50% Quote, 17% Tradition, and 33% Tunnel Vision. While there is quite a case on Streaker, I don’t think Mandy is the one who really brought it up, nor is he paying attention to any other argument on the field. He’s just scumarinning and tunnel visioning. But of course this doesn’t get any attention because it’s Mandy right? Of course. [/quote] I can agree somewhat here. At the very least i'd like to hear more from mandy possibly potc level of activity from him here.

Unvote vote naxus

I see no reason not to pressure him further and build upon this wagon. His defences to his actions have been weak at best, his argument that he was trying to prevent a completely random day 1 lynch doesn't really wash with me.

I believe that puts him L-2, this may sound scummy but in the spirit of moving the game forward, naxus I'd think about claiming at some point if you want to survive.

Hey Naggy I’m not sure how the idea of someone claiming would seem scummy but I must say adding in “This may sound scummy” sure does. Seriously what’s the need for those words unless you’re trying to excuse what you’re trying to do?

Wow.... close call there.

HFOS Soundman

Again he’s a noob. And btw nice HFOS, shows you think he’s scummy but you’re not man enough to actually put a vote on him. Don’t want it to be in the records? ;3

. Ok we get it he's a newb. You're really working hard to sell that defense. It has been pointed out already just because he is new doesn't mean he is not scum. Considering the weight of the vote and the lack of comment on the case I really don't see why you are so adament against the people on his case especially as voting with little comment towards the end of a wagon is often considered a NEWB scumtell.

In fact I'm going to go ahead and vote fircoal. His logic is making no sense right now, I have no idea what he is trying to get at.

Look’s like someone’s trying to start a bandwagon. And what do you know there isn’t much logic behind it. Maybe you should SHOW what logic doesn’t make sense instead of saying my logic. That’s incredibly vague and leads a lot up to interpretation. It seems like you’re trying to get something started without 1) Putting in any work or 2) Putting your neck on the line. Also just wondering but since when is logic not making sense a scum tell? I mean I could name quite a few players who don’t make logically sense almost every game but they aren’t being lynched almost every game. [/quote] are you usually one of those people fircoal?

Pointers fircoal: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?tit ... edirect=no

Not to mention the strength of the name claim. What on earth are you playing at?

Thank you for linking me to a wiki article that has to do with a different mafia site that plays DIFFERENT MAFIA. I don’t know if you’ve played on Epic Mafia before (I do believe you have because apparently on my list of Alts I have an IheartNagerous account) but it’s a totally different style of game. It’s fast paced as quite a bit of games with open setups and has stuff like whispers, which were mentioned often in the articles. Also due to its rt like nature, the games are usually smaller. You can’t just say that all of this necessarily applies to our way of gameage. Also you can’t confirm that the author knows what he’s doing. For all we know he could be the NES of EpicMafia.

Now that you tired to get me with other people’s work why nawt try some of your own? ;3

that was a bit of a cheap shot on nag's part but I am pretty sure the concept of not lynching the doctor is universal.

Vote Streaker for being 5th on the wagon... and because he expects it.

I agree 100% with Fircoal's post against random voting. On top of all the reasons he said (information, patterns, etc.) at the very least you can vote off who is doing the least scum-hunting, adding confusion or generally just giving a scummy vibe. Information helps town, silence helps scum.

I've only skimmed recently, been busy with RL (and 12-gauge mafia when I'm on here). Will re-read and hopefully have some firmer thoughts on people soon. Sorry guys.

Funny how you say that silence helps the scum considering you’ve only posted 5 times today including a joke vote post and a V/LA post. And the rest of the posts have been like this. Skimming right the top of the action and just going with easy statements. Way to be out there.

I can agree on this shaggy's comments have been fairly hypocritical and I believe that he's even admitted that much.

So while we're waiting on a Naxus claim I'm going to throw in my 2-cents about Soundman.

So there's two possibilities, either Soundman is truly in-experienced, didn't know the proper vote count, and didn't know the danger of putting someone at L-1. Or he knew the correct vote count and jumped on Nag's miss-count to try for a quick lynch that he could explain later ("I didn't think it would lynch him, just put him at L-1").

If it's the latter it's a very obvious scum-tell, if it's the former I don't think it would hurt to put some pressure on him to see how he responds.

In any case Unvote and Vote Soundman, I believe it's the next best lead if the Naxus wagon falls down to a believed claim.

Here’s more of a case of trying to say something but not saying much. It’s not like what Soundman did and bringing up is controversial or that much work. In fact a guy just above you posted about the scumminess of this. How hard of a case. Btw I like how you bring up the two possibilities each time. It makes a nice easy back out plan if it flops. “Well I just got the possibility wrong!” Yeah… Right.

Again agreed.

OK I've made up my mind Vote Naxus

Hey newb, you know that this was just your 3rd post of the game, and the first that wasn’t a joke vote. This is called blatant bandwagoning. DON’T DO ET!!

(I like how newer players at the main one to jump on this too x3)

It does look like Naxus tried to prove his town status and jumped at the opportunity.

Regardless strike wasn't in any danger, and neither did sheeps vote put him in any. It would've been nice if the joke votes continued, but I guess we're through on the other side now.

For someone who says that the joke vote stage was so much fun, you surely weren't an active participant in it. I just re-read the whole thread, and I didn't see any joke votes that popped out at me- that were composed by you. And I didn't even think the joke vote stage in this game was funny. I think you are normally a very articulate player. If you truly meant that you were just going to miss the joke vote phase, because you thought it was so hilarious- i think you would have phrased the wording in your post better. Fir called you out on it first, and saf said it was miscommunication- but i don't think so.

And FOS Sheep, because I think he probably lost count and thought that he hammered.

And yes i realize it sounds like I'm rambling a bit- but its late at night, and I'm operating on about 5 hours sleep. So my apologies if I'm incoherent. Hopefully you get the gist of what I'm trying to say.

And before I forgot.
Unvote
Vote Illiad

Reposted for reference

not the best post to use for reference. Vio's post had some merit but the case on iliad was rather weak considering that iliad hasn't been among the most active posters in any game for a while so meh.

Fos soundman. I don't think his vote counted as I don't think he ever unvoted but he basically disappeared for quite a few days and then puts (or tries) naxus at L-1 without any comment on the case. Extremely scummy.

I flip…

Soundman's vote while scummy since he is to my knowledge a new player I don't think it was more condemning than Naxus' actions so far. It would make a decent back up case if Naxus flips town but for now i say stay the course.

….and I flop.

how is ths flipflopping? I stated he was scummy in both posts and if you look it was pretty obvious I considered him the second most scummy at the time in both posts. Yeah he is new that is the only reason I didn't vote for him over naxcus to begin with.

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

And then go somewhere else entirely.

. You have acted scummy you have been scummy you kept vote on a doc, you tried to subtly deter attention from soundman and have been overly defensive of him, I don't currently see a person who makes a better target than you, and much of your logic defending yourself has been flawed. So yes my vote stays on you.

Just a question to everyone, but if I was scum then why would I have left my vote on a doctor after he claimed? Wouldn’t that bring unnecessary attention to myself? (Which is what scum want to avoid like the plaque) I don’t see any good reason why a scum would want to argue a dead case. If you can think of a reason please state it, if you can’t please unvote mes.

wifom.

[strike wolf]

Well, the idea of keeping your vote on the claimed doc if you were mafia would be a WIFOM argument, but your post definitely highlights the lack of activity by some people in the thread. Submarining and noobiness aside, I might note that scum roles can be given to anyone, including noobs. So using noobiness as an excuse to give the player a pass is not a really valid strategy fir, random.org isn't going to make considerations like that. That said, I thought that naxus played terribly especially if he was the doctor, and I can understand why chu would be frustrated/suspicous of naxus for drawing so much attention to himself. However, instead of going after nag for taking exception, I think that strike and nark hopping on the wagon are much more scummy for rather weak reasons.

Yep... I know I'm not Simon Tam and he is a pretty for sure character to be in the game.

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Vote: Fircoal

Way to not really give a reason and blatantly hop on the wagon there.
unvote vote nark/b]

Also, [b]FOS strike wolf for offering slightly more reason but still basically repeating what nag said.

Read the thread I questioned his intentions before nag made his posts about fircoal. I didn't like his responses so I voted him.

[nagerous]

Fircoal, nice essay response and with an OMGUS vote to boot. My vote stays on you, your pushiness on naxus was ridiculous and you can deny it all you want and make outlandish claims such as you were trying to play like Mandy but it doesn't wash with me.

[Streaker]

I saw a reference somewhere in Chu's book, about the case on me. Eh, what case.

Also, I don't understand why you'd keep pressuring naxus while he claimed. We can be very sure it is NOT a fakeclaim. Even if he acted scummy before, going after that powerrole is at least noteworthy.

FoS Chu