Three Kingdoms of Korea [Quenched]

by **Funkyterrance** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:54 pm

I am only partially colorblind but if a human being is not a good colorblind filter, ok. But honestly, while gaya and goguryeo are obviously different on the legend I can't distinguish them at all on the map. The same with the boats. There is something you can do about this, you can have the legend be something other than squares with colors in them. As far as the rivers go, I see now what you mean but I needed explanation since they just look like inlets from the ocean to me since they are the same color/texture as the ocean. The mountain borders do look a lot like the mountains themselves but If this is what you were going for, great.
I'm not trying to pick on your map or anything it's just it would be a shame to eliminate people from playing it just because they can't read it. Of course this is ultimately your prerogative.

by **natty dread** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:14 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:Did you use the standard GIMP colorblind filters?

Yes. They use the same algorithm as vischeck, as far as I know.

Funkyterrance wrote:I am only partially colorblind but if a human being is not a good colorblind filter, ok. But honestly, while gaya and goguryeo are obviously different on the legend I can't distinguish them at all on the map. The same with the boats.

Are you tritanopic by any chance? I'm wondering because gaya & goguryeo are both blue... in the foundry we don't usually check maps for tritanopia, it being so rare that it has usually been considered enough that the map works for protanopia & deuteranopia.

Funkyterrance wrote: The mountain borders do look a lot like the mountains themselves but If this is what you were going for, great.

It's not what I was going for initially, it's what the foundry mods asked me to do just recently.

by **Funkyterrance** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:13 pm

Okay, I just took an online color-blindness test and it told me I am most likely protanopic, whichever that one is lol. I didn't ace any of the tests but got most right on the other two types, including tritanopic. I think the main reason I can't see the colors (and this is typical for colorblind individuals) is because they are so pale. The less saturated the color, the harder it becomes for me to see it. For example I can readily tell true blue from violet but if you put a very light blue next to a very light purple I have no idea. I am not saying that it's not possible that I am some sort of "freak" color blind person but I am more apt to think that maybe the filter used to check for colorblindness isn't 100% accurate; it may just pick up the colored bits of the image and not consider the level of saturation. At any rate, I personally can't tell the aforementioned areas apart so an inset of the entire map designating the areas would help me immensely. Are there any other cc members who are colorblind who could look at it? If I am the only one then I suppose I am severely the minority and will just miss out on this map if it comes out.

by **kengyin** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:31 pm

the way i see it is that even within these 3 groupings there would still be a continuum of severity, just because 2 people are protanopic doesnt mean they will necessarily see the same thing

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:40 am

Funkyterrance, is this version easier to see?

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9056/korea19s.png

by **Funkyterrance** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:06 am

Hmm, If they are different it is not something that I can notice, at least from switching back and forth between images. Is there any way for me to see an image that is color coded so I can see the map as if I weren't colorblind? I don't expect you to make one, just wondering if there is a stage in this production where the map was presented in this manner. At this point I don't even know which areas are which. If I did maybe It would make it easier for me to point out exactly what I can't see.

by **theBastard** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:50 am

natty_dread wrote:Funkyterrance, is this version easier to see?

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9056/korea19s.png

I am looking at this picture and natty, the stripes could be more visible. look for example at liaoning coloured border and stripes of tang. there is difference how are colours visible.

I am sure that you did stripes by the same colours and opacity as other borders, but stripes looks as they have less opacity...

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:43 am

If this doesn't work for you, then I don't think there's anything I can do...

Click image to enlarge.

by **theBastard** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:55 am

this looks good. except hanju, here are stripes bad visible.

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:56 am

I could also add bonus names on the large map:

Click image to enlarge.

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:06 am

Another version:

Click image to enlarge.

by **Funkyterrance** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:26 am

Ahhh, it's so much clearer now! Tbh if this was the version that was released I would have no problem except for the junks. This totally clears up most of the map for me, thanks natty_dread.
On a personal not I even think this version looks cooler. The bigger writing looks like watery ink or something, makes it feel like its hand-made

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by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:16 pm

Which junks do you have problems with?

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:22 pm

Ok so here's the current versions

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I think I'll have the bonus names on large only.

by **Funkyterrance** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:48 pm

The junks on liaonang, shabei, and the light one on teng-chou all look the same to me. The ones on hwangsanbeol, tamna, aragaya, kyushu and honshu all look very close to me as well. The ones I can tell easily are teng-chou (dark one)and gyaongju (they're orange, right?) as well as the green ones on honshu and chonsong fortress, although the one on chonsong fortress is lighter so a tiny a bit harder to tell.

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:50 pm

The junks on shabei, liaoning and teng-chou look the same because they are the same colour. Those territories all assault each other. The same is true for hwangsanbeol, tamna, aragaya, etc.

by **natty dread** on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:55 pm

Junks:

3 yellow junks: shabei, liaoning, teng-chou
5 light blue junks: hwangs., tamna, honshu, kyushu, aragaya
2 red junks: teng-chou, gyaongju
2 cyan junks: chonsong fortress, honshu

same colour junks assault each other.

by **natty dread** on Mon May 02, 2011 3:22 am

Ok so the current versions are these:

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Click image to enlarge.

Are the bonus names necessary / should they be on the small map as well?

I'm kinda thinking they're not that crucial. You can figure out which is which by the capitals, which are named in the legend, even if you're colourblind.

So what's the verdict here, keep the bonus names, remove them, add them on small too? Anything else that needs to be done?

by **kengyin** on Mon May 02, 2011 4:53 am

those stripes look good

by **Funkyterrance** on Mon May 02, 2011 11:38 am

I am severely in favor of the first map. Not just because the large bonus lettering is less confusing for me but because I think it makes the map look much more finished. The second one looks a little sparse.

by **theBastard** on Mon May 02, 2011 12:35 pm

did you any changes with stripes on last version? because they look fine now.

bonus names are not necessary, I think. all is clear for me. nice work, natty...

by **natty dread** on Mon May 02, 2011 12:42 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:I am severely in favor of the first map. Not just because the large bonus lettering is less confusing for me but because I think it makes the map look much more finished. The second one looks a little sparse.

Go to any of your active games, there's a link next to your map where you can change the map size.

theBastard wrote:did you any changes with stripes on last version? because they look fine now.

bonus names are not necessary, I think. all is clear for me. nice work, natty...

Thanks. Didn't change stripes, colours have been tweaked several times.

by **Funkyterrance** on Mon May 02, 2011 12:52 pm

Ah no, that's not what I meant natty. Sparse meaning thinly scattered/too much empty space, as in sparsely populated.

by **natty dread** on Mon May 02, 2011 1:11 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Ah no, that's not what I meant natty. Sparse meaning thinly scattered/too much empty space, as in sparsely populated.

Well your previous post was worded so that I wasn't sure if you realize that this is not a choice between these two maps, they will both be online as the large & small versions of the map.

I'm willing to put the bonus area names on the large map, but the small map would look too crowded with them. Apart from the bonus names, the two images are identical except for size.

by **Funkyterrance** on Mon May 02, 2011 1:38 pm

Ahh, Ic. I didn't know you could have the two sizes be different. I still think both should have the bonus lettering though

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