[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[jonty125]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

[pancakemix]

Useless without the actual role.

[Victor Sullivan]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

*Ahem* clapper011

[Bleed_Green]

"TheSaxlad"]Team CC (Freedom Fighter)Mafia

12th January 2014

It was dark that night when Lackattack logged onto ConquerClub for the goodness knows how many time that day. People. Anyways Lack had things to do and people to talk to about his new idea, one that would shock ConquerClub, but one he believed was going to change his and ConquerClub’s future forever. Anyways, when he tried to Log On to his account for the first time in History he failed. He went to his little password book that he kept on the shelf, out of reach of the children, and tried again to no avail... Lack, utterly confused now, logged onto to his bork bork multi and looked for the problem. And there it was.


It seemed that his once most trusted Community Manager AndyDufresne had deserted him, and with the help of clapper, who had been seducing Andy, hacked Lacks account for himself. As realisation dawned on lack his computer binged and a Pm opened up into his browser. Lack was slightly confused but opened it all the same..., it read:

I do not know if we want him to give out his role, unless there is a counter claim. Just from what I put in bold I would think it would be beneficial power role

[Gilligan]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

Not sure how that helps too much?

G

[Metsfanmax]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

Not sure how that helps too much?

G

It confirms that jonty is town if no one counterclaims.

[safariguy5]

Could be support for the Andy character.

[Gilligan]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

Not sure how that helps too much?

G

It confirms that jonty is town if no one counterclaims.

There are oodles of mods that aren't being used here...clapper may very well be one of them.

G

[pancakemix]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

Not sure how that helps too much?

G

It confirms that jonty is town if no one counterclaims.

There are oodles of mods that aren't being used here...clapper may very well be one of them.

G

But clapper's in the flavor. And is significant there at that. I hate to suggest what might be implied there as well.

[Gilligan]

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the flavor?"

G

[Metsfanmax]

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the flavor?"

G

clapper's in the original storyline, saying something like she "seduced" Andy. It seems rather unlikely that she's not in the town power structure.

[Victor Sullivan]

Dude, freaking Head Global. Dude.

[pancakemix]

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the flavor?"

G

clapper's in the original storyline, saying something like she "seduced" Andy. It seems rather unlikely that she's not in the town power structure.

She seduced him to go against Lack, who was mafia. So her being town seems like a safe bet.

[Rodion]

Hey, Comm, you owe us a case!

[Commander9]

Hey, Comm, you owe us a case!

I've got into a lot of stuff and just can't bring about to myself to post. Apologies to all - I'll try to finish it while taking a break tonight, but I can't promise. This week is the last week before finals, so there's a lot of stuff that's going to be going on.

[jonty125]

Roleclaim: clapper101.

*Ahem* clapper011

Sorry typo

[Gilligan]

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the flavor?"

G

clapper's in the original storyline, saying something like she "seduced" Andy. It seems rather unlikely that she's not in the town power structure.

She seduced him to go against Lack, who was mafia. So her being town seems like a safe bet.

Ahh...Of course.

G

[Mr. Squirrel]

Jonty shouldn't answer more unless he is counterclaimed.

Am I the only one who still has reservations about commander? He tells us he is town, but there is no proof. Heck, we don't even know what the mafia hunter did (the role details were never disclosed) and if there was a town equivalent. It could be that the hunter was completely unrelated. Everyone is accepting commander's story as fact when there is no fact to back it up (unless I missed something). Plus, his unwillingness to name his recruiter seems fishy to me. If the hunter's role is simply to find King Achiles, then whats the purpose in protecting his identity? There are still a lot of holes here.

Now I am not saying he is scum, or even that he is lying, just that I am not going to trust him until there is definitive evidence.

[pancakemix]

Jonty shouldn't answer more unless he is counterclaimed.

Am I the only one who still has reservations about commander? He tells us he is town, but there is no proof. Heck, we don't even know what the mafia hunter did (the role details were never disclosed) and if there was a town equivalent. It could be that the hunter was completely unrelated. Everyone is accepting commander's story as fact when there is no fact to back it up (unless I missed something). Plus, his unwillingness to name his recruiter seems fishy to me. If the hunter's role is simply to find King Achiles, then whats the purpose in protecting his identity? There are still a lot of holes here.

Now I am not saying he is scum, or even that he is lying, just that I am not going to trust him until there is definitive evidence.

No, you're not alone. I've made it clear that these are my sentiments. I feel that this is especially dangerous with a cult lurking.

[Commander9]

Vote Safari.

As I've been re-reading this, a couple of things jumped on to me. He starts Day 1 with speculation to largely keep town guessing and points out something that was rather odd on Day 1.

vote Hank44Soccer until he decides that posting more than once per mafia day is acceptable. Seriously.

Also, just looking at the scene, I think there's a possible cult recruiter out there.

Day 1

Andy looked out over his new dominion... All felt, well just right. What they didn't know was that AndyDufresne was a more than apt name for him, as a convict he had decided to take a new walk of life, and decided that he liked it. He liked the Power of Red and he wanted more. He supposed the other reason was that Lack had a thing for Peanut Butter and with his nut allergy it just wasnt working, Bananas on the Menu!!!

Clapper PMed him his usual briefing report, her ride to Red had been pretty slick as well, all slick and ready to go, except for that pesky Lackattack and TheSaxlad causing the usual bother, also I've heard reports of another group, but nothing too big, we'll crush them easily. All Of them. Andy sat back, he couldn't remember it ever being this good.

On the other hand Lack and his Team were preparing for that day, "script?" Check. "Cybergun?" Check. "Fake Banana?" "No but ive got this thing that..."

Day 1 Begin!

Could be McGill, could be the FW peeps, but we should definitely be aware of this.

Afterwards, it looks like he's trying to start a witchhunt - while also suggesting that we need to look at the inactives (a very common move to look pro-town and to avoid attention):

Wait, what the heck is with the pressure on PCM, I'm pretty sure that was a joke vote on Victor. And seriously, you think I'm cult because I noticed something in the Day Scene? Did everyone else just skim the scene? I know I might put some hints in the day scene, certainly after a night. And looking at the number of players, 21 is definitely enough to support both a mafia and a cult if the mod wanted there to be one. Also, I can somewhat understand the flak on Metsfanmax, voting the mod when there is a deadline isn't productive for the town.

However, I'm going to stand by my original logic that we need active posters, and the most inactive one so far is firth. Seriously, looking at the day scene and game size balance wise, it would make sense for there to be a cult. But we cannot be sure about the existence of one until some sort of indication of recruitment in a night scene.

His next quote really got me interested:

Ah, that's a bit of WIFOM thinking right there. I've seen mafia players act as the most townish looking players on day 1 (Rolegift mafia, Mr. Squirrel) and then people think they're not mafia because of the townishness of their behavior. Conversely, the submariners may not be mafia just because they act that way. And going by bandwagon information alone is not particularly useful early on as it's a small sample size. If we only have 2 bandwagons to go on, it's quite possible several people are on the same bandwagon. And scum may try to split the vote by voting someone secondary to the bandwagon, stalling the wagon until deadline. Therefore, a good case will probably incorporate posts, voting information, and possibly results of night actions to be convincing. Forcing a claim is just a means to an end sometimes.

Hmm... really? Perhaps it's what... you're doing in this game? Furthermore, your this and your next posts are mostly about speculation and the balance of the game - it makes you look like you're contributing and helping us, but it really doesn't help us at all in the actual game:

unvote Vote: safariguy5, seems to be trying to make us believe what he wants us to.

What? How am I trying to influence anything? I'm just debating with Yoshi whether or not roleclaiming under pressure is a good idea or not. We haven't had a VC in a while so I'm not sure what position vote yours is, but I'm pretty sure it's the 5th one, which would be some pretty blatant bandwagonning with a reason that I don't think has any evidence or relevance.

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven.

so either you've had experience with this kind of thing or you're the cult recruiter or busdriver.

I've got over 35 games experience over 2+ years man, I've seen enough games and played enough games to know. Also, checking the mafia wiki @ mafiascum.net is helpful too.

I hope none of youare mafia otherwise something's gonnago down to night!!!!!

No, I'm not the cult recruiter, bus driver, or mafia for the record.

Does anyone else find this rather... odd?

So let me get this straight, the bandwagon on me is for a perceived belief that I picked up on the possible cult aspect and therefore I'm the recruiter? This is a WIFOM argument, plain and simple. Maybe, since I'm not the cult recruiter, I'd point it out because it's too obvious if I was. But then, if I was the cult recruiter, maybe I'd point it out so you all don't think I am the cult recruiter. Circular reasoning at its best.

Or perhaps it's the best way to go as you'd think we think it's too obvious?

I'm getting a cult vibe here - Safari has played well, with lots of pro-town actions to look townish enough, but not look like a target for mafia, but not enough to seriously attract attention. Cult recruit needs to look pro-town and doesn't attract too much attention and I think Safari is one of those who could pull it off.

[Commander9]

Jonty shouldn't answer more unless he is counterclaimed.

Am I the only one who still has reservations about commander? He tells us he is town, but there is no proof. Heck, we don't even know what the mafia hunter did (the role details were never disclosed) and if there was a town equivalent. It could be that the hunter was completely unrelated. Everyone is accepting commander's story as fact when there is no fact to back it up (unless I missed something). Plus, his unwillingness to name his recruiter seems fishy to me. If the hunter's role is simply to find King Achiles, then whats the purpose in protecting his identity? There are still a lot of holes here.

Now I am not saying he is scum, or even that he is lying, just that I am not going to trust him until there is definitive evidence.

*sighs*

Read the 1st scene again and notice the implied meaning that both Andy and Lack are looking for me and have people looking for me. If someone is looking for someone, a hunt is a rather good term to describe that and mafia hunter fits this well. As far as backing up goes - how exactly do you want me to back it up - quote PM'S? I don't mind being investigated (if I'm cultie, I'll come up as being cultie) to get this over with. How come naming my recruiter is fishy? Why would I undisclose such a powerful townie role? So cult could recruit him? HUGE FoS to Mr. S.

No, you're not alone. I've made it clear that these are my sentiments. I feel that this is especially dangerous with a cult lurking.

Mind explaining this?

[safariguy5]

Funny how you bring this case up on Day 3 when I was under heavy pressure Day 1 for believing that there was a cult based on the day scene. I feel vindicated in that indeed we now know that there is a cult. The case is mostly built on cult suspicions from Day 1 and it's not so much a new case as it is a rehash in my opinion.

[Commander9]

Funny how you bring this case up on Day 3 when I was under heavy pressure Day 1 for believing that there was a cult based on the day scene. I feel vindicated in that indeed we now know that there is a cult. The case is mostly built on cult suspicions from Day 1 and it's not so much a new case as it is a rehash in my opinion.

Well, it's because you barely posted on Day 2. I didn't pay too much attention to this, but while re-reading, considering all the other information we have, I think it's rather significant.

[Mr. Squirrel]

*sighs*

Read the 1st scene again and notice the implied meaning that both Andy and Lack are looking for me and have people looking for me.

First of all, this is what the scene says about achilles:

On another note King Achilles has gone missing, nobody knows of his whereabouts, but as the support admin, were going to need him to defeat Andy and the rest of TeamCC.

That was a 'letter to lack' whom is the scum leader. So, yes, the scum is looking for King achilles (altho it doesn't mention anything about recruitment either) but it never said the town was. You were the one who made up that town could recruit you. We only have your word to go on.

If someone is looking for someone, a hunt is a rather good term to describe that and mafia hunter fits this well.

A 'hunter' could be all sorts of things. Its possible that he could have had extra kill abilities or could track or something like that.

As far as backing up goes - how exactly do you want me to back it up - quote PM'S? I don't mind being investigated (if I'm cultie, I'll come up as being cultie) to get this over with.

As for evidence, there isn't much you can give. Nor was I demanding that you give it. I was merely stating that I won't believe you until some appears. The fact that you have gotten so defensive about this is rather telling if you ask me.

How come naming my recruiter is fishy? Why would I undisclose such a powerful townie role? So cult could recruit him?

According to your story, the 'hunters' are looking for achilles. If the town hunter has found you already, and the mafia one is dead, then why on earth would you not clear the name of one townie? As far as we know, they have no other abilities that would make them a scum target. And you used recruiters in your apocalypse mafia, commander. You know better than anyone else that a recruiter cannot recruit a recruiter. The fact that you included that as a point to your argument is ridiculous.

If you ask me, you need to name the person who recruited you right now. Once you do, if they confirm that they are who you say you are then we know that either your story is true, or you two are scumies/culties together. If the other person claims they don't know what you are talking about, we lynch you.

HUGE FoS to Mr. S.

I'm bringing up logical holes in your story. Everything you tell us is based on your words alone. The night actions and scenes only barely follow your story whatsoever. Plus, I never accused you of anything. I never even said you were trying to fool us. I was only stating why I was concerned about your story and everyone's trust in you. This is blatant OMGUS

Also, your case against safariguy is very weak. But I'm tired of typing at this point so I will let someone else criticize it.

[Commander9]

First of all, this is what the scene says about achilles:

On another note King Achilles has gone missing, nobody knows of his whereabouts, but as the support admin, were going to need him to defeat Andy and the rest of TeamCC.

That was a 'letter to lack' whom is the scum leader. So, yes, the scum is looking for King achilles (altho it doesn't mention anything about recruitment either) but it never said the town was. You were the one who made up that town could recruit you. We only have your word to go on.

Hmm, I can give you one - I confused this msg with my role PM. Even so, wouldn't it make sense that both sides have the ability to recruit me?

A 'hunter' could be all sorts of things. Its possible that he could have had extra kill abilities or could track or something like that.

So why just move from the regular names? And he was indeed tracking someone... Me.

As for evidence, there isn't much you can give. Nor was I demanding that you give it. I was merely stating that I won't believe you until some appears. The fact that you have gotten so defensive about this is rather telling if you ask me.

You know better than most of the people - you know that I always defend my position. The fact that you're bringing it up as an evidence against me just makes me somewhat more suspicious.

According to your story, the 'hunters' are looking for achilles. If the town hunter has found you already, and the mafia one is dead, then why on earth would you not clear the name of one townie? As far as we know, they have no other abilities that would make them a scum target. And you used recruiters in your apocalypse mafia, commander. You know better than anyone else that a recruiter cannot recruit a recruiter. The fact that you included that as a point to your argument is ridiculous.

If you ask me, you need to name the person who recruited you right now. Once you do, if they confirm that they are who you say you are then we know that either your story is true, or you two are scumies/culties together. If the other person claims they don't know what you are talking about, we lynch you.

Don't you think there's a reward for finding me? Do you think it's just looking for the sake of looking. The scene has implied that I am important and that finding me brings rewards - the hunter has now gained other abilities that are important to the town. I will not out him to make him a better target.

Nice twist of the facts, Mr. S. - hunter is not a regular "recruiter" as he is just looking for one specific person. You know more than well enough that this point is completely invalid.

As I've said before, I shall not disclose that person's name for the afro-mentioned reasons. When you claim lovers or masons, you usually try to protect your partner, don't you? If you don't believe me, investigate me - you know fully well that culties come up as guilty from investigations.

I'm bringing up logical holes in your story. Everything you tell us is based on your words alone. The night actions and scenes only barely follow your story whatsoever. Plus, I never accused you of anything. I never even said you were trying to fool us. I was only stating why I was concerned about your story and everyone's trust in you. This is blatant OMGUS

Also, your case against safariguy is very weak. But I'm tired of typing at this point so I will let someone else criticize it.

Please, PLEASE show these logical holes. You've brought up a couple of points and I've answered them.

I wouldn't say it's very weak and it is a case. If you have something better, let us know, please.