[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[Commander9]

So I'm assuming both town and mafia had hunters as the nagerous role was a mafia hunter. Do you happen to know if the hunters only look for you to switch alignment or can they switch alignment of other people?

Since we've already seen the mafia hunter is down and I know that there's town hunter, I am assuming I could have been recruited by both then (I realized that after I've seen the mafia hunter). From what I've understood from the PM, the hunter were out only for me, so I guess that means they can only shift my own allegiance - not anyone else'.

This part of Commanders new claim is some what worry some... Okay so he was 100% with us at the beginning but now has been recruited to the cult or mafia and has a different outcome to become victorious without lynching the entire mafia cartel

Vote Commander9 for being recruited by either the mafia or the cult and has changed his game play away from the towns objective

I don't whether you're trolling or you actually can't comprehend any of the information given. Let me provide you with a couple of data why this can't be true:

1) Cult has one recruit a day - our vig has already been recruited.
2) Achilles starts as 3rd party survivor - so I technically wasn't pro-town alignment before today.
3) Mafia hunter has already been killed, so I couldn't have been recruited by mafia.
4) I started that my alignment switched to pro-town rather than vice versa.

Now, no pro-town member would be worried about my lynching... Unless one is not pro-town. Since your case doesn't make any sense, I see two main chances:
I) You're an idiot who can't comprehend any facts whatsoever.
II) This is a desperate attempt to get rid of a strong pro-town power role.

Since I do not like assuming that people are idiots, I think this is a desperate attempt to get me lynched - thanks for ousting yourself. Vote Bleed_Green.

[Commander9]

Although, I do think I've got another lead - I think we may let our vig (not the cult recruit) take care of Bleed (assuming you guys agree) while we take down a person whom I consider to be a cultie (perhaps a leader). I'll keep you all updated, but I'm heading to class in 15 minutes.

[Rodion]

Although, I do think I've got another lead - I think we may let our vig (not the cult recruit) take care of Bleed (assuming you guys agree) while we take down a person whom I consider to be a cultie (perhaps a leader). I'll keep you all updated, but I'm heading to class in 15 minutes.

You mean we started the game with 2 vigs, 1 that went to the cult and one that did not?

I'm finding it unlikely, as we should then see 3 NKs per night and we saw 1 + 1 "protection/roleblock" (N1) and 2 (N2).

I kinda think our vig is not ours anymore.

[Bleed_Green]

I am still leaving my vote on, but after rereading what you said I may have misinterpreted it completely, I will wait to see what some of the others have to say.

I can confirm that a hunter found me and I'm officially town - my allegiance and victory conditions have changed. As far as the scene kills, I think scum killed Haggis while vig killed firth and got recruited.

The part in bold is what is getting me,, is this suppose to be interpreted that our hunter located him and part him onto the towns side, so now he has the same objectives as us to eliminate mafia.

Or is my other understanding correct that he may have gotten recruited by a 3rd party.

I would really like to hear thoughts and clarification... and I have no problem being called an idiot.. I just take as a learning experience and move on...

[Metsfanmax]

I am still leaving my vote on, but after rereading what you said I may have misinterpreted it completely, I will wait to see what some of the others have to say.

I can confirm that a hunter found me and I'm officially town - my allegiance and victory conditions have changed. As far as the scene kills, I think scum killed Haggis while vig killed firth and got recruited.

The part in bold is what is getting me,, is this suppose to be interpreted that our hunter located him and part him onto the towns side, so now he has the same objectives as us to eliminate mafia.

Or is my other understanding correct that he may have gotten recruited by a 3rd party.

I would really like to hear thoughts and clarification... and I have no problem being called an idiot.. I just take as a learning experience and move on...

Yes, Commander wants us to believe that before he was recruited, he was third party and thus his win condition was probably "survive until the end." After he was recruited to the town, his win condition is now "eliminate all threats to the town."

[DoomYoshi]

Whether or not he is lying is always open to interpretation, but I think it is safe to trust him at his word, as it makes sense in relation to the night scene.

[Victor Sullivan]

Yes, Commander wants us to believe that before he was recruited, he was third party and thus his win condition was probably "survive until the end." After he was recruited to the town, his win condition is now "eliminate all threats to the town."

It seems reasonable to me that king achilles would be 3rd Party, given that the other two admins were/are mafia (lackattack) and town (AndyDufresne). Bleed_Green seems like a decent vote, but he is a bit of a newb...

[Commander9]

You mean we started the game with 2 vigs, 1 that went to the cult and one that did not?

I'm finding it unlikely, as we should then see 3 NKs per night and we saw 1 + 1 "protection/roleblock" (N1) and 2 (N2).

I kinda think our vig is not ours anymore.

No, town started with 1 vig, but you are forgetting that I got recruited, so town got another kill as long while I am while. And yes, our original vig is not ours - I agree with this.

I am still leaving my vote on, but after rereading what you said I may have misinterpreted it completely, I will wait to see what some of the others have to say.

The part in bold is what is getting me,, is this suppose to be interpreted that our hunter located him and part him onto the towns side, so now he has the same objectives as us to eliminate mafia.

Or is my other understanding correct that he may have gotten recruited by a 3rd party.

I would really like to hear thoughts and clarification... and I have no problem being called an idiot.. I just take as a learning experience and move on...

Fair enough. Yes, I was a 3rd party at the start and town hunter and mafia hunter (look @ day lynch 1) were out to get me. Now that I've got recruited (I will not undisclose the name - unless that person will be near to being lynched). I can't have been recruited by 3rd party unless you're saying that Cult has 2 recruits... and even Fir wouldn't do that, not to mention Sax.

Anyways, unvote.

If I'll have enough time, I'll post the case tonight.

[jimfinn]

I agree that Commander is likely now town, I also agree that Bleed_Green more likely made an innocent mistake or misinterpretation than a scummy attempt at a lynch

[Rodion]

So, you are our "2nd vig", Commander?

[Commander9]

So, you are our "2nd vig", Commander?

I'm not willing to undisclose that information. I've already said all I will say.

[DoomYoshi]

So, you are our "2nd vig", Commander?

I'm not willing to undisclose that information. I've already said all I will say.

You mean disclose that information. Undisclose makes no sense... poor word choice = definite scumtell .

It seems like Bleed_Green was just making a mistake about context. As I know what it feels like to be strung up over a mistake, I will let him go for now, but not without a fos.

I also want to drop a fos on Gilligan, who managed to go all of Day 2 using nothing but one-liners. I don't recall ever playing with Gilligan before, is that his MO, or is this a possible case of flying under the radar?

Finally, jonty seemed to be connected with shield on D1. Perhaps he was afraid of losing his mafia godfather. I am interested in exploring this further. vote jonty.

It seems weird to have a town recruiter, although it is an interesting mechanic and I like it .

[Victor Sullivan]

I think DoomYoshi makes a good point. A little pressure for a role claim is warranted, at least. vote jonty

[Bleed_Green]

I would like to formerly apologize to Commander and more than happy to Unvote... Owe the man a beer

[Victor Sullivan]

I figure it also might be worth it to investigate who wasn't on shield's BW, or at least was at the tail end. Unfortunately, I've gotta go now, but I may tomorrow.

[jimfinn]

I'm not sure that we really want to go rushing into forcing an immediate claim from jonty, Victor.

But I do think a bit of pressure asking for some explanation of his ties to shield is good so vote jonty

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

# firth4eva
# Metsfanmax
# Haggis McMutton
# Victor Sullivan
# Bleed_Green.
# Jimfinn
# DoomYoshi
# Gilligan
# jonty125
# commander9(1-shield)
# naxus
# Rodion
# jrh_cardinal
# safariguy5
# Army of God
# Pancakemix
# shieldgenerator7(11-safariguy,jimfinn,jonty125,haggis,doomyoshi,gilligan,metsfanmax,jeraado,pancake,victor,firth) LYNCH!
# jeraado

18 Alive, 10 to Lynch

And that is a Lynch! Scene coming soon.

The hammer on the wagon was firth, you were second to last victor. Interstingly, jonty was third on the wagon, which might have been either preemptive distancing from his gf or him not being mafia. Could go either way.

[Rodion]

10 to lynch, 11 votes on Shield...

Assuming the VC Safari quoted has all the votes in chronological order, it took 10 to lynch, so I guess Victor hammered and Firth voted after the hammer.

Voting after the hammer means Firth didn't really "vote", but wanted to be on the list anyway (perhaps to divert attention?). Or, of course, Firth didn't check the VC at the moment and just voted when votes didn't matter anymore.

Saf, are you willing to double check the whole vote order? (I can do that tomorrow if nobody does, but right now I took some cold medicine that makes me sleepy - besides, it's 2 am here)

[safariguy5]

Standard modding procedures says to put them in order, taking unvotes and revotes into account, and I have faith that Saxlad did do that.

[jonty125]

Unsure about revealing who am I just yet, could cause me to become the mafia's #1 target.

[Metsfanmax]

Unsure about revealing who am I just yet, could cause me to become the mafia's #1 target.

Comments like this don't deflect any suspicion off you, you know.

[TheSaxlad]

Vote Count

# Metsfanmax
# Victor Sullivan
# Bleed_Green.
# Jimfinn
# DoomYoshi
# Gilligan
# jonty125(3-Victor,jimfinn,doomyoshi) L-5
# commander9
# naxus
# Rodion
# jrh_cardinal
# safariguy5
# Army of God
# Pancakemix
# jeraado

15 Alive 8 To Lynch

Can I also ask that all votes coloured or not are in bold. It just makes it easier for me to skim and notice them

Thanks

[jonty125]

Errr Sax, it was doom who voted for me not jimfinn.

[TheSaxlad]

Both of them did

[jonty125]

You're right didn't see it.