Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

by **Streaker** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:05 am

spiesr wrote:Fircoal, please state whether or not you are actually a Double Voter, and if you used your extra vote to hammer yesterday...

This.

Also we could look at sheepofdumb. He was quick to jump on commander's case (right after Fir, but he had his own reasons). He listed extra reasons, but only after commander made his case. Looks like a push for an easy lynch? He hasn't unvoted yet either, though that don't mean much.

Unvote, vote sheep

by **Streaker** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:09 am

Also, to give some more merit to my case on sheep:

He made a case on edoc, put good effort in it. He only goes dark for about 3 pages (not very long), and immediately switches to vio after commanders case. Abandoning his own case possibly to find a more suitable lynch? He figures that case has a good chance of lynching, and he makes sure to be on it early enough to avoid suspicion.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:28 pm

I can definitely see The Prestige characters needing to lynch each other for their win conditions. I'm all in favor of one of them getting NK tonight. I think this would be beneficial to all parties involved.

I'm not sure about your points against sheep, Streaker. With edoc's moral ambiguity, I think it's tough to tell whether he was scum-hunting or going for the latest suspect.

-Tails

by **sheepofdumb** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:18 pm

I dropped Edocs case because He's gone through his life revealing that he's Harvey Dent. If Harvey gets a gun in exchange for his life we haven't seen it yet. Could he have a gun? There's a possibility. I could see a 50/50 chance for NK's now. That would increase the killing roles to three though.

I've been busy (only have time for one thread until finals are over) so I haven't had time to unvote violet.

Reviewing the thread I've noticed tails has been very reserved but antsy to get to night.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:That and the lack of dusk.

-Tails

When the day starts dragging tails begins hope between voting no lynch and voting against those who agree.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Ugh c'mon people. Well seeing as how activity is dragging and we've got a kill for the day, and I doubt we'll get anywhere at this rate before pancake institutes a deadline, I'll unvote vote no lynch.

-Tails

I'll unvote vote Saf.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:oh wow, gone for 2 days and come back to a modkill. I think enough damage has been done.

vote no lynch

I don't really see the supposed case on edoc being all that valid. I usually only read the role pm once.

-Tails

Three days later he posts again:

nagerous wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
nagerous wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Ugh. In retrospect I've read the case on edoc, and at one point I was in agreement (maybe am still?) but I just hate the thought of losing 3 non-scum roles in one day. That's a serious dent in an 11 player game.

-Tails

Why are you implying he is non-scum? Unless you are privy to information the rest of the town don't know??

No, I'm just not 100% on it. Can you for certain say he is scum? What role?

-Tails

okay well he's L-1 right now. He's already defended himself. I suppose the traditional claim is in order.

-Tails

Where did you get L-1 from? It takes 6 to lynch, by my count he is L-3.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I think it's 4...sheep, spiesr, nag, and fircoal. I counted sheep twice the first time.

vote edoc

-Tails

Not only does tails avoid giving any valid reason for his bandwagoning vote but also intentionally places Edoc at L-1. He says that there's been enough damage but turns around to lynch edoc so night can finally come.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
pcm wrote:With 11 alive it takes 7 to lynch. There is currently no deadline, but I reserve the right to put one in place.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

As spiesr and Fircoal pointed out, this is weird.

Here recognizes that the majority # is a little weird. I think he was hoping to bait the double voter to hammer Edoc so the day would end.

He's been giving off scum tells by bandwagoning, putting a player at L-1 to force a claim (especially when double voters were a likely possibility, hinting that he knows something about other players roles, voting no lynch, and pushing for night. Vote tails.

by **spiesr** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:17 pm

Alright, while I still don't trust edocsil at all, I will agree that at this point it seems to be a good idea to try and lynch someone that we can all agree is a threat. So let's go hunt for that joker. If our effort doesn't turn up someone that we are confident is scum, we can always come back to edocsil to end the day.
TA1LGUNN3R has been on my list of people I find suspicious for basically the whole game, but I haven't been able to put together a case on him or anything. So now I will follow sheep's lead and Vote TA1LGUNN3R.

by **VioIet** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:33 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I can definitely see The Prestige characters needing to lynch each other for their win conditions. I'm all in favor of one of them getting NK tonight. I think this would be beneficial to all parties involved.
-Tails

I don't think that is such a good idea Tails.

If scum decide to lynch me, Game Over- Fircoal Wins

If scum decide to lynch Fir, Game Over- I win.

I don't think i want the scum to choose the winner will be that way. Also as commander said, me and Fir are harmless.

by **spiesr** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:41 pm

Are you saying that you think the game will end if either you or Fircoal achieve your win condition? I personally don't think that this is the case. However, there is a possibility the should you win you would be removed from the game. Or have you been told what will happen if you complete your primary objective?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:19 pm

VioIet wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I can definitely see The Prestige characters needing to lynch each other for their win conditions. I'm all in favor of one of them getting NK tonight. I think this would be beneficial to all parties involved.
-Tails

I don't think that is such a good idea Tails.

If scum decide to lynch me, Game Over- Fircoal Wins

If scum decide to lynch Fir, Game Over- I win.

I don't think i want the scum to choose the winner will be that way. Also as commander said, me and Fir are harmless.

Well I wasn't proposing that we lynch either one of you. I'm assuming that you are each others' lynchers or something like that, so if one of you is NK'ed then neither of you can win. I'm not sure about it, but I don't trust it.

sheepofdumb wrote:I dropped Edocs case because He's gone through his life revealing that he's Harvey Dent. If Harvey gets a gun in exchange for his life we haven't seen it yet. Could he have a gun? There's a possibility. I could see a 50/50 chance for NK's now. That would increase the killing roles to three though.

I've been busy (only have time for one thread until finals are over) so I haven't had time to unvote violet.

Reviewing the thread I've noticed tails has been very reserved but antsy to get to night.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:That and the lack of dusk.

-Tails

When the day starts dragging tails begins hope between voting no lynch and voting against those who agree. I was expressing my surprise that it wasn't night time, because of the DK, which I didn't notice at first.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Ugh c'mon people. Well seeing as how activity is dragging and we've got a kill for the day, and I doubt we'll get anywhere at this rate before pancake institutes a deadline, I'll unvote vote no lynch.

-Tails

I'll unvote vote Saf.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:oh wow, gone for 2 days and come back to a modkill. I think enough damage has been done.

vote no lynch

I don't really see the supposed case on edoc being all that valid. I usually only read the role pm once.

-Tails

Three days later he posts again:

nagerous wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Why are you implying he is non-scum? Unless you are privy to information the rest of the town don't know??

No, I'm just not 100% on it. Can you for certain say he is scum? What role?

-Tails

okay well he's L-1 right now. He's already defended himself. I suppose the traditional claim is in order.

-Tails

Where did you get L-1 from? It takes 6 to lynch, by my count he is L-3.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I think it's 4...sheep, spiesr, nag, and fircoal. I counted sheep twice the first time.

vote edoc

-Tails

Not only does tails avoid giving any valid reason for his bandwagoning vote but also intentionally places Edoc at L-1. He says that there's been enough damage but turns around to lynch edoc so night can finally come. I previously had voted edoc (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3095519#p3095519) because I wasn't sure about him. What with your own case against him, plus the WC thing, I was party convinced by you and others about edoc. If we can find somebody for certain, then I'm all behind it.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
pcm wrote:With 11 alive it takes 7 to lynch. There is currently no deadline, but I reserve the right to put one in place.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

As spiesr and Fircoal pointed out, this is weird.

Here recognizes that the majority # is a little weird. I think he was hoping to bait the double voter to hammer Edoc so the day would end.

He's been giving off scum tells by bandwagoning, putting a player at L-1 to force a claim (especially when double voters were a likely possibility, hinting that he knows something about other players roles, voting no lynch, and pushing for night. Vote tails. It seems obvious to me that with the extra votes needed their must be a reason for it. Also, I don't think I ever stated I thought there was a double voter until the edoc lynch when I thought it might've been Vio based on her voting habits. I thought it was an executioner thing. I BW'ed (only on Saf and edoc) because I was on the fence about No Lynch with saf and I thought you had a good case against edocsil.

-Tails

by **VioIet** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:51 am

Sorry, I wasn't clear before.
When i said lynch, i actually meant Night Kill.
If i'm NK'd- Fir wins.
If Fir is NK'd- I win.
Lynch/ NK- it doesn't matter. The other just has to die somehow.
And yes i believe it would result in the end of the game. Every character in this game as a win objective, and I think the person that meets this objective first wins the game.

by **edocsil** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:56 am

VioIet wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear before.
When i said lynch, i actually meant Night Kill.
If i'm NK'd- Fir wins.
If Fir is NK'd- I win.
Lynch/ NK- it doesn't matter. The other just has to die somehow.
And yes i believe it would result in the end of the game. Every character in this game as a win objective, and I think the person that meets this objective first wins the game.

Not true as per my primary win condition. The game goes on.

by **spiesr** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:59 am

VioIet wrote:And yes i believe it would result in the end of the game. Every character in this game as a win objective, and I think the person that meets this objective first wins the game.

If you look back to where safariguy illegally posted his win condition, then you will see that the town win condition implies that the game will not end if you complete your objective...

by **Streaker** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:00 am

VioIet wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear before.
When i said lynch, i actually meant Night Kill.
If i'm NK'd- Fir wins.
If Fir is NK'd- I win.
Lynch/ NK- it doesn't matter. The other just has to die somehow.
And yes i believe it would result in the end of the game. Every character in this game as a win objective, and I think the person that meets this objective first wins the game.

So I've been thinking...
After a little pressure on Fir and Vio they claimed the need to kill each other. Neither put up effort to hide this, something I'd expect at least Fir to do so. With this intel out in the open (having to lynch each other), it's near impossible to accomplish. Why would Fir put up no effort to relay Vio's claim?

Now Vio comes out with NEW information. Lynching is NOT necessary, if one of them is NK'd. Are we supposed to believe that?
I can see a ploy here to protect eachother. As much as their claim makes sense, and I believe it's a really good claim, this is over the top. Too much chance for random NK to happen imo. It might have worked if she hadn't put the last phrase of ENDGAME in it.
Here she is clearly trying to scare the other players in NOT killing both of them, threatening with ENDGAME.
Why? I have no idea. Maybe masoned in some way? Third party connections?

It's a bit of a stretch, but think about it. Why would she come out with the NK information? It makes absolutely no sense. If she knows a NK on Fir would give her the win, why come out with it? Hide the info and hope someone does it. It would be a 50/50 chance for her a vig would choose either herself or Fir. Nobody would attempt a NK now...

Thoughts?

by **edocsil** on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:00 pm

The argument holds weight. It could have been a miscalculation on here part to say that, or it could be evidence of a lie. I would be perfectly happy hanging Fir to test out the hypothesis as it is obvious that he is not coming around to help the town find scum at all. If you aren't for us, your against us.

by **pancakemix** on Sun May 01, 2011 12:48 am

Less than 48 hours.

by **Commander9** on Sun May 01, 2011 1:00 am

Due to a short amount of time left, I will go with Sheep's case and pressure Tails. Unvote. Vote TG.

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 1:41 am

Streaker wrote:
VioIet wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear before.
When i said lynch, i actually meant Night Kill.
If i'm NK'd- Fir wins.
If Fir is NK'd- I win.
Lynch/ NK- it doesn't matter. The other just has to die somehow.
And yes i believe it would result in the end of the game. Every character in this game as a win objective, and I think the person that meets this objective first wins the game.

So I've been thinking...
After a little pressure on Fir and Vio they claimed the need to kill each other. Neither put up effort to hide this, something I'd expect at least Fir to do so. With this intel out in the open (having to lynch each other), it's near impossible to accomplish. Why would Fir put up no effort to relay Vio's claim?

Now Vio comes out with NEW information. Lynching is NOT necessary, if one of them is NK'd. Are we supposed to believe that?
I can see a ploy here to protect eachother. As much as their claim makes sense, and I believe it's a really good claim, this is over the top. Too much chance for random NK to happen imo. It might have worked if she hadn't put the last phrase of ENDGAME in it.
Here she is clearly trying to scare the other players in NOT killing both of them, threatening with ENDGAME.
Why? I have no idea. Maybe masoned in some way? Third party connections?

It's a bit of a stretch, but think about it. Why would she come out with the NK information? It makes absolutely no sense. If she knows a NK on Fir would give her the win, why come out with it? Hide the info and hope someone does it. It would be a 50/50 chance for her a vig would choose either herself or Fir. Nobody would attempt a NK now...

Thoughts?

Actually she's part right. It seems Pancake has done weird with the win conditions in this game. There is a partial win for the other being NKed and a partial win for surviving the game. Of course to prevent this NK I at least was given an extra life. Thusly trying to kill me would be worthless.

edocsil wrote:The argument holds weight. It could have been a miscalculation on here part to say that, or it could be evidence of a lie. I would be perfectly happy hanging Fir to test out the hypothesis as it is obvious that he is not coming around to help the town find scum at all. If you aren't for us, your against us.

Actually I'm really just not sure on what to do. I noticed that me and Violet could ally together to prevent anything from getting done but I realized that could be so easy to backfire it'd make no sense to try it. So I thought to just go for a survivor win condition, however it just doesn't feel right to be. Honestly the fact that I can't really lynch Violet just makes this game boring for me. You guys aren't going to do it so I didn't really bother to checkzel, not to mention I haven't really been posting in either of my games lately. I mean it's odd I know what I want to say but I never say it. *Sighzel*

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 1:49 am

spiesr wrote:Alright, while I still don't trust edocsil at all, I will agree that at this point it seems to be a good idea to try and lynch someone that we can all agree is a threat. So let's go hunt for that joker. If our effort doesn't turn up someone that we are confident is scum, we can always come back to edocsil to end the day.
TA1LGUNN3R has been on my list of people I find suspicious for basically the whole game, but I haven't been able to put together a case on him or anything. So now I will follow sheep's lead and Vote TA1LGUNN3R.

This is the only post that you've posted lately that isn't about me and Violet or Safari's posting of his WC. Really this post seems more wishy washy than anything. You have the positive message everyone can get behind, and backup plan and the shameless bandwagon. It's like you couldn't put your neck farther out of trouble except by not posting.

I have to say Tails has been doing a bit of this too. In the last two pages he's only commented on me and Vio and made a defense to the accusations against him. While I think Spiesr's a better target. I'll put both of my votes on him to pressure him.

Unvote Vote: Tails

by **edocsil** on Sun May 01, 2011 1:57 am

Vote Fircoal.

I found his response to my argument less then satisfactory, mainly due to the fact that he failed to explain why he tried to kill me yesterday.

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 2:22 am

edocsil wrote:Vote Fircoal.

I found his response to my argument less then satisfactory, mainly due to the fact that he failed to explain why he tried to kill me yesterday.

What argument? You just said if I'm not going to help town then you might as well lynch me. So I decided to try to post and help town out. What more do you want me to do? All I care about right now is surviving. You have better people to target than me.

As for why I tried to kill you isn't that obvious? I don't care if you live or die, I'm 3rd party. I know that Violet has a double vote because I have one and we have matching roles. Thusly I voted you with my double vote so that when Violet would have to claim she'd claim that role with the double vote and immediately get scum vibes because a double voter lynched you out of nowhere. Of course I didn't think that she could just claim my roll to and put me in this situation. Also I did it for the lolz. Again 3rd party.

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 2:26 am

Just to note if all you townies want to win then you should take note that the more time that you spend on me and violet will just decrease the amount of time you spend on people who can be scum. Unless you think we're scum don't focus on us.

by **pancakemix** on Sun May 01, 2011 9:32 am

Vote Count

Chu - 1 (Edoc)
TG - 4 (sheep, spiesr, comm, Chu)
Sheep - 1 (streaker)
Spiesr - 1 (???)

With 8 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is May 3rd at 12:01 AM ET (GMT-4).

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 9:40 am

pancakemix wrote:Vote Count

Chu - 1 (Edoc)
TG - 4 (sheep, spiesr, comm, Chu)
Sheep - 1 (streaker)
Spiesr - 1 (???)

With 8 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is May 3rd at 12:01 AM ET (GMT-4).

Apparently I wrote down Spiesr instead of Tails xwx Doing things late at night. xwx (Although I don't really want to put it onto Tails as L-1 is dangerous)

by **Commander9** on Sun May 01, 2011 10:53 am

Claiming time?

by **spiesr** on Sun May 01, 2011 11:17 am

Fircoal wrote:Actually she's part right. It seems Pancake has done weird with the win conditions in this game. There is a partial win for the other being NKed and a partial win for surviving the game. Of course to prevent this NK I at least was given an extra life. Thusly trying to kill me would be worthless.

That bit about having an extra life smells funny to me. It looks like you are lying about that in an attempt to get us not to lynch you. Question: If you have and extra life does Violet have one two? If not, why are you in what appears to be a better role than her? Violet, do you have an extra life or anything that you haven't told us about?
As for your win condition, that is about what I expected it to be, assuming that your claim is true. On that note, I would be careful when talking about such things, you might be treading the line of rule 2 here. We don't need another safariguy. Although, since you aren't town, I guess if you want to get yourself killed, then whatever...

Fircoal wrote:As for why I tried to kill you isn't that obvious? I don't care if you live or die, I'm 3rd party. I know that Violet has a double vote because I have one and we have matching roles. Thusly I voted you with my double vote so that when Violet would have to claim she'd claim that role with the double vote and immediately get scum vibes because a double voter lynched you out of nowhere. Of course I didn't think that she could just claim my roll to and put me in this situation.

Well, this explanation seems mostly adequate to me. I mean you had voted edocsil already during that day, so it was clear enough that you were in support of him being lynched. The extra vote didn't really do much harm to the town in my opinion, so I am not going to really hold it against you or anything. The amount of time it took you to admit to it after you were specifically asked is disconcerting though...

by **Fircoal** on Sun May 01, 2011 11:23 am

spiesr wrote:
Fircoal wrote:Actually she's part right. It seems Pancake has done weird with the win conditions in this game. There is a partial win for the other being NKed and a partial win for surviving the game. Of course to prevent this NK I at least was given an extra life. Thusly trying to kill me would be worthless.
That bit about having an extra life smells funny to me. It looks like you are lying about that in an attempt to get us not to lynch you. Question: If you have and extra life does Violet have one two? If not, why are you in what appears to be a better role than her? Violet, do you have an extra life or anything that you haven't told us about?
As for your win condition, that is about what I expected it to be, assuming that your claim is true. On that note, I would be careful when talking about such things, you might be treading the line of rule 2 here. We don't need another safariguy. Although, since you aren't town, I guess if you want to get yourself killed, then whatever...

I think you understand wrong. I believe the extra life is only for kills, so if you were to lynch me I would probably just die. I would assume that Violet has this extra life too but I don't know all of her role. I just know who she is and I just infer she has the same powers. It's also worth noting but slipped my mind that this extra life is tied to my second vote. When I lose it I no longer have an extra vote.

spiesr wrote:
Fircoal wrote:As for why I tried to kill you isn't that obvious? I don't care if you live or die, I'm 3rd party. I know that Violet has a double vote because I have one and we have matching roles. Thusly I voted you with my double vote so that when Violet would have to claim she'd claim that role with the double vote and immediately get scum vibes because a double voter lynched you out of nowhere. Of course I didn't think that she could just claim my roll to and put me in this situation.
Well, this explanation seems mostly adequate to me. I mean you had voted edocsil already during that day, so it was clear enough that you were in support of him being lynched. The extra vote didn't really do much harm to the town in my opinion, so I am not going to really hold it against you or anything. The amount of time it took you to admit to it after you were specifically asked is disconcerting though...

I'm not sure about you, but admitting you speedlynched someone isn't exactly the thing you want to do in these games.

Commander9 wrote:Claiming time?

Yesh, I do think it is

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