POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[got tonkaed]

Doesn't help the people who are town however.

[sheepofdumb]

So utterly destroying the cult (and skirting any of that silly new cult leader BS) and getting mafia names as per our agreement doesn't help town?

[got tonkaed]

So utterly destroying the cult (and skirting any of that silly new cult leader BS) and getting mafia names as per our agreement doesn't help town?

Again, this is exactly what I would say if i was part of the group that would still have nightkills in that scenario. Town are more or less finished in this game. Going through the work to eliminate cult hands things over to scum. Thats why the people pushing hardest for cult destruction are probably who the town would look after, if it was irrelevant at this point.

The silly cult leader business makes sense in flavor and fits with the idea of NK with a sword doesnt it.

[mandalorian2298]

So utterly destroying the cult (and skirting any of that silly new cult leader BS) and getting mafia names as per our agreement doesn't help town?

Again, this is exactly what I would say if i was part of the group that would still have nightkills in that scenario. Town are more or less finished in this game. Going through the work to eliminate cult hands things over to scum. Thats why the people pushing hardest for cult destruction are probably who the town would look after, if it was irrelevant at this point.

The silly cult leader business makes sense in flavor and fits with the idea of NK with a sword doesnt it.

It most certainly does.

However, since Town's current game plan seems to be "1. Kill Cult Leader, 2. Lynch Mandy 3. ...", you know I don't really care about 3., I figure I am safest as long as Cult Leader survives. SO, dear Townies, I wish you much luck in your mission, but until such time comes Edoc has been killed, I don't feel like helping you find a sharp enough knife to stick in my back. I'm still in the game, but I refuse to contribute while Edoc is alive. So there!

[edocsil]

Alright boys, killing nag is fucking stupid. That gets nobody anything. Just wastes the day. The scum kill, the cult recruits, nothing is gained for the town. Hang Mandy, NK the cult, gain victor as town. Or do things the sure way, hang Tonka and screw Victor, survive the night as well as you can and then hang Mandy in exchange for my names. Either way results in a town victory, anything else ends in loss. Take you pick, but none of this lets go thin the cult by hanging culties idiocy.

[mandalorian2298]

Or, stop making deals with Mafia, hang Edoc, and then hunt down Cult AN^Mafia the old fashioned way.

[edocsil]

Or, stop making deals with Mafia, hang Edoc, and then hunt down Cult AN^Mafia the old fashioned way.

And lose because there are 4 cult and 6 town currently?

[Falkomagno]

Wow...it happens a lot...yesterday i was going to put some pressure to vic but i forgot to send the reply...and now we have Davy Jones, nag and frezzy as cult and a lot of things happening.

So, first town should not believe that we are put into the dilemma of obeying Davy jones and Edoc or lose. Is not true. The naive proposition of Tonka obviously is a desperate attempt to win, after Victor tale, but with all the information that we have now, the cult is pretty much screwed. As i stated before, I have to KILL Davy, in order to protect someone, who happens to be Bootstrap. So, I can confirm Vic claims. Is surprising how freezie had the balls to deny victor's claim, but for me we have frezie and nag as confirmed cult, and any of them lynch is good for town. unvote vote nag

I will not vote for Mandy just to make Edoc win. You are forgeting that in this state of affairs, mandy should vote for mafia and cult, meanwhile edoc not. Edoc has the information about 2 remaining mafia, but he is blind with his winning cndition, so is unaccessible. The deal to hang Mandy, and endgame him, with this tight vote counts is not feasible.

So, I think that now that we have the cult pretty much revealed, we have to focus now to find mafia, one of them probably sheep of doom and/or /. Please note the erratic behavior of doom and pancake after all this claming and the tonka last shot. It's good material for further references, especially tomorrow.

[got tonkaed]

Wow...it happens a lot...yesterday i was going to put some pressure to vic but i forgot to send the reply...and now we have Davy Jones, nag and frezzy as cult and a lot of things happening.

So, first town should not believe that we are put into the dilemma of obeying Davy jones and Edoc or lose. Is not true. The naive proposition of Tonka obviously is a desperate attempt to win, after Victor tale, but with all the information that we have now, the cult is pretty much screwed. As i stated before, I have to KILL Davy, in order to protect someone, who happens to be Bootstrap. So, I can confirm Vic claims. Is surprising how freezie had the balls to deny victor's claim, but for me we have frezie and nag as confirmed cult, and any of them lynch is good for town. unvote vote nag

I will not vote for Mandy just to make Edoc win. You are forgeting that in this state of affairs, mandy should vote for mafia and cult, meanwhile edoc not. Edoc has the information about 2 remaining mafia, but he is blind with his winning cndition, so is unaccessible. The deal to hang Mandy, and endgame him, with this tight vote counts is not feasible.

So, I think that now that we have the cult pretty much revealed, we have to focus now to find mafia, one of them probably sheep of doom and/or /. Please note the erratic behavior of doom and pancake after all this claming and the tonka last shot. It's good material for further references, especially tomorrow.

Bolded makes no sense in flavor and is likely an outright lie. Yes he probably does want to kill me, so that he can take over the cult leader position. I might prefer to have him dead as that would benefit me and would probably make it easier for the less willing amongst the town to join up.

So if no one wants to go along with a very easy way to win, why not try another option?

Mafia people lend me your ears! How about we go ahead and lynch falko today. By doing so, you gain an obvious advantage of controlling far more of the killing that occurs at night, since you can't get cut down by swords. For the most part, you guys know who the cult is, so you could very well take control of the night phase and I could easily be slain. If you don't believe that my power passes then you would have far less to fear from taking this proposition. Presumably with the 7 of us, we can block any other lynches and if town do not want to go into a night phase with a high level of uncertainty or we have any third party role unbeknown, they might jump along making everyone thrilled. Since some characters have outright hinted at the fact they are roleblockers, there should be little to fear from me.

Why let a good opportunity to win the game go to waste?

[got tonkaed]

Alright boys, killing nag is fucking stupid. That gets nobody anything. Just wastes the day. The scum kill, the cult recruits, nothing is gained for the town. Hang Mandy, NK the cult, gain victor as town. Or do things the sure way, hang Tonka and screw Victor, survive the night as well as you can and then hang Mandy in exchange for my names. Either way results in a town victory, anything else ends in loss. Take you pick, but none of this lets go thin the cult by hanging culties idiocy.

Got tonkaed things the bolded part seems like a good idea. At least the hanging Mandy part. I can go either way really.

[strike wolf]

Wow...it happens a lot...yesterday i was going to put some pressure to vic but i forgot to send the reply...and now we have Davy Jones, nag and frezzy as cult and a lot of things happening.

So, first town should not believe that we are put into the dilemma of obeying Davy jones and Edoc or lose. Is not true. The naive proposition of Tonka obviously is a desperate attempt to win, after Victor tale, but with all the information that we have now, the cult is pretty much screwed. As i stated before, I have to KILL Davy, in order to protect someone, who happens to be Bootstrap. So, I can confirm Vic claims. Is surprising how freezie had the balls to deny victor's claim, but for me we have frezie and nag as confirmed cult, and any of them lynch is good for town. unvote vote nag

I will not vote for Mandy just to make Edoc win. You are forgeting that in this state of affairs, mandy should vote for mafia and cult, meanwhile edoc not. Edoc has the information about 2 remaining mafia, but he is blind with his winning cndition, so is unaccessible. The deal to hang Mandy, and endgame him, with this tight vote counts is not feasible.

So, I think that now that we have the cult pretty much revealed, we have to focus now to find mafia, one of them probably sheep of doom and/or /. Please note the erratic behavior of doom and pancake after all this claming and the tonka last shot. It's good material for further references, especially tomorrow.

Bolded makes no sense in flavor and is likely an outright lie. Yes he probably does want to kill me, so that he can take over the cult leader position. I might prefer to have him dead as that would benefit me and would probably make it easier for the less willing amongst the town to join up.

actually bolded makes perfect sense. Turner wanted to find the heart so he could kill you and free his fatherv, bootstrap bill turner. There was never any question of him wanting to replace you that was something he had to do because the dutchman needed a captain.

[mandalorian2298]

Or, stop making deals with Mafia, hang Edoc, and then hunt down Cult AN^Mafia the old fashioned way.

And lose because there are 4 cult and 6 town currently?

So, now you agree that Cult recruited successfully every Night?

Alright boys, killing nag is fucking stupid. That gets nobody anything. Just wastes the day. The scum kill, the cult recruits, nothing is gained for the town. Hang Mandy, NK the cult, gain victor as town. Or do things the sure way, hang Tonka and screw Victor, survive the night as well as you can and then hang Mandy in exchange for my names. Either way results in a town victory, anything else ends in loss. Take you pick, but none of this lets go thin the cult by hanging culties idiocy.

Got tonkaed things the bolded part seems like a good idea. At least the hanging Mandy part. I can go either way really.

Who is so awesome that Cult & Mafia are forced to unite against him? Yeah, you guessed it!

[strike wolf]

2 initial cult members (bootstrap and davy) + night 2 and 3 recruits=4

[edocsil]

Something foolish here../

2 initial cult members (bootstrap and davy) + night 2 and 3 recruits=4

[edocsil]

I will not vote for Mandy just to make Edoc win. You are forgeting that in this state of affairs, mandy should vote for mafia and cult, meanwhile edoc not. Edoc has the information about 2 remaining mafia, but he is blind with his winning cndition, so is unaccessible. The deal to hang Mandy, and endgame him, with this tight vote counts is not feasible.

What is your issue with a traitor? I am perfectly willing to give the town a damn good chance at winning, both me and pcm have done the math. There are 6 Scum AND and a Cult to start with, the town was never intended to win without either me or victor defecting. We hang mandy, town get the names, you kill Tonka, and then the next day is a easy lynch followed by a quick final NK.

You also forget I am indeed scum as well. If you fail to kill Jones and gain victor, the scum will win, their number will equal the towns. Simply put hanging Mandy will also remove one scum from the game, me.

[sheepofdumb]

I will not vote for Mandy just to make Edoc win. You are forgeting that in this state of affairs, mandy should vote for mafia and cult, meanwhile edoc not. Edoc has the information about 2 remaining mafia, but he is blind with his winning cndition, so is unaccessible. The deal to hang Mandy, and endgame him, with this tight vote counts is not feasible.

What is your issue with a traitor? I am perfectly willing to give the town a damn good chance at winning, both me and pcm have done the math. There are 6 Scum AND and a Cult to start with, the town was never intended to win without either me or victor defecting. We hang mandy, town get the names, you kill Tonka, and then the next day is a easy lynch followed by a quick final NK.

You also forget I am indeed scum as well. If you fail to kill Jones and gain victor, the scum will win, their number will equal the towns. Simply put hanging Mandy will also remove one scum from the game, me.

I get it now. unvote
Can we get a vote count please?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

edoc(1)- mandy
Victor(3)- tails, /, edoc
sheep(1)- falko
mandy(3)- Yoshi, nag, gt
nag(4)- freezie, strike, Com9, falko

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[sheepofdumb]

Vote Mandy
The numbers have convinced me.

[strike wolf]

Well that is l-3 I ve thought it over and once. Tonka is dead mafia again become tyhe bigger threat. So if someone else is willing to vote mandy edoc can put him at l-1 and I would be willing to cast down the hammer.

[edocsil]

Well that is l-3 I ve thought it over and once. Tonka is dead mafia again become tyhe bigger threat. So if someone else is willing to vote mandy edoc can put him at l-1 and I would be willing to cast down the hammer.

8 to lynch, we have 4. We need 2 more for this to work.

[strike wolf]

Well that is l-3 I ve thought it over and once. Tonka is dead mafia again become tyhe bigger threat. So if someone else is willing to vote mandy edoc can put him at l-1 and I would be willing to cast down the hammer.

8 to lynch, we have 4. We need 2 more for this to work.

Ahh yes apparently I was looking at nag's post count.

[pancakemix]

Vote mandy again. I've sorted it out and I stand by the notion that this is our best option.

[Victor Sullivan]

What the hell? First of all, freezie is a liar, scene flavor suggests it's Gibbs, there is no other old man, particularly an old man with a telescope (or whatever the nautical term is). Secondly, why are we all gung-ho about lynching a f*cking town? Town will only gain anything by lynching cult, mafia, or edocsil. If we're lynching Mandy to endgame edocsil, why don't we just lynch edocsil? At any rate, I'll vote nagerous, since he's the scum with the most votes (in this case, cult). Damn right I'm gonna vote for that reason.

-Sully

[strike wolf]

What the hell? First of all, freezie is a liar, scene flavor suggests it's Gibbs, there is no other old man, particularly an old man with a telescope (or whatever the nautical term is). Secondly, why are we all gung-ho about lynching a f*cking town? Town will only gain anything by lynching cult, mafia, or edocsil. If we're lynching Mandy to endgame edocsil, why don't we just lynch edocsil? At any rate, I'll vote nagerous, since he's the scum with the most votes (in this case, cult). Damn right I'm gonna vote for that reason.

-Sully

Did you miss the part where edoc said he would give us the remaining scum in exchange for mandy?

[Victor Sullivan]

What the hell? First of all, freezie is a liar, scene flavor suggests it's Gibbs, there is no other old man, particularly an old man with a telescope (or whatever the nautical term is). Secondly, why are we all gung-ho about lynching a f*cking town? Town will only gain anything by lynching cult, mafia, or edocsil. If we're lynching Mandy to endgame edocsil, why don't we just lynch edocsil? At any rate, I'll vote nagerous, since he's the scum with the most votes (in this case, cult). Damn right I'm gonna vote for that reason.

-Sully

Did you miss the part where edoc said he would give us the remaining scum in exchange for mandy?

Why don't we just force him to? Threaten to take his life.