Victor Sullivan wrote:VioIet wrote:My point was more or less, that it seemed like Victor just posted his typical "oh sorry, i've been away, will catch up soon."
I was hoping to get two posts from him by this point. To me it looks like just a simple post, that will be the last one we get for a week, then he will come back and make another simple post that has nothing to do with any of the topics at hand.
*Peeks out from behind a bush* Hey, guys! Sorry, was finishing up Dispatch business. Anywho, this may come a bit shocking, but I find that strike wolf seems to be the most subtly shady character of the bunch. He voted for me - fine, I get it, I was lacking in my posting. The recent comments I find most disturbing - saying that no one on my bandwagon was scummy while he himself was on the bandwagon, just seems like a way to say he's innocent with out outright saying it.
False. At the time I had my vote on no one and my only fos was on streaker. The basis for this post was inaccurate towards what was happening in the thread. This showed that he either skimmed over my posts or intentionally attempted to misinform.
In addition, this could be an effort to protect people of his faction (I say faction, as the description of the game indicated multiple win conditions). Also, targeting people who've defended me may be an indirect attempt at hindering me, and it could have been his actual intention to lynch me. Anywho, I feel like what I've explained doesn't entirely communicate my reasons for targeting him, but hopefully you understand. In conclusion, unvote vote strike wolf.
heavily speculative based on a false analysis of what I had said up to that point. I consider this a misuse of logic.
Victor Sullivan wrote:I feel responsible to post something, but the comments since my post have not swayed my decision.
Cheers,
Sully
First post after he voted me. Never replies to where I called him out for false information.
Victor Sullivan wrote:Commander9 wrote:edocsil wrote:Yeah, this is why I make a point of trying to hang him early. So frustrating even when he is on your side.
This is probably by far the truest statement I've ever read about myself in Mafia... a good chance that it's the most hilarious too. Thanks doc - that brightened my day


I agree!

Wait, we're talking about Commander, right?
This happened directly after the post above note neither one even attempts to talk about the current discussions of the time.
Disappears for a while...
Victor Sullivan wrote:Hello, hello! *the crowd cheers* Yes, yes, thank you, thank you! *cheering continues* Okay, settle down, people! *cheering still continues* SETTLE DOWN! *cheering halts abruptly*
What's this business with Falko? (Rhetorical question, just to clarify) From a fairness stance, I understand the reasoning behind the Falko bandwagon, but doesn't it have the same, if not, less justification as my bandwagon earlier? Are we really hunting scum, or are we just wanting a lynch? I will investigate further these fellows that have hopped onto this mode of transportation into Night 1 and get back to you all soon. My vote stays on strike wolf for now, his recent posts have not swayed me.
He seems to have at least a decent understanding of the game, tries to paint his bandwagon as silly and decides that the case against falko is worthless while his only vote stays on me with the false reasons indicated early not bothering to add anything just there.
Sorry for the intermittent posting, I plan to get back on top of things soon, but I've got various CC and RL things going on right now, so it's hard to keep track of what all I'm involved in.
Victor Sullivan wrote:strike wolf wrote:Falkomagno wrote:I think the mafia watcher doens't mean necessarily another faction. Mafia can use him to identify the doctor, and other relevant town roles. So, another explanation can be a night kill from a vigilante, in which case is brilliant, since I didn't see Mr. Squirrell as that scum. Nice work in that case.
And ofr sure, the fircoal long essay has a lot of valid points, especially edocil case,which I stated before as well, although in rather shallow way. But I strongly recommend see his post isolated, and his vote patterns.
vote edocil
Only problem with that theory falko is that the kill was very clearly made by Davey Jones and Davey Jones is very likely NOT town aligned.

Well, I'll agree that Davy Jones is likely not town-aligned, but did Jones ever kill anyone in the movies? Why would he be a SK, then? He just appeared to people when they were dying to see if they wanted to join his crew or whatever. Bah, maybe I'm over-thinking, but I feel we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I mean, why would we have gotten insight into Norrington's killer, but not Barbosa's? And isn't it plausible that town would have a vigilante? I mean, come on, their
pirates.
Trying to depict the Norrington kill as vigilante. I think I've already made the case that even without the description of the killer fitting Davey Jones the kill makes no sense from a vig point of view as squirrel had not acted all that suspicious. Plus this would also mean that the vig decided he would kill squirrel fairly randomly night 1 and than not kill the almost guaranteed scum streaker night 2. Also misses that Barbossa's did have the hint of "british soldiers" coming for him which points to the EITC.
vote strike wolf - I still find him scummy from yesterday.
call me a broken record, call yourself one too. At least I will rehash and expand on my argument for why I think you should be lynched instead of repeatedly saying the same thing over and over again.
P.S. Sadface that Barbosa got killed. He was my favorite character in the movies.

At least we can agree that Barbossa was among the best characters.
Victor Sullivan wrote:strike wolf wrote:2. Victor, like sax I pointed out how your initial argument was based on flawed logic and heavy speculation and you have yet to really provide any solid evidence for your case on me, surprisingly as voting me and restating that you will not unvote me have so far been your only true contributions to the game.
Strike wolf, strike wolf, streak golf... Who else is there? Your constant rambling seems like a way to effectively cover-up your scumminess, because "silence is scummy" so you have to be all herky-derky and write a 5 page essay on why Mandy seems scummy or how edocsil is using WIFOM logic (yes, I know it was mandy that accused him of that, but you get my vibe, I think...)
Finally gets around to actually expanding on your case. Rambling is a funny word as it actually goes along more with how he wrote that post than it does my behavior. the second issue he stated as detail was about mandy not me and the first applies better to others within the game. To note when I asked about it he never got around to explaining how it fit in with me.
The case on Mandy seems weak - it could have easily been a lapse in judgement - scum wouldn't be so foolish as to associate themselves with their scummates, that gets more than one of them killed in the end if one is ousted.
Pattern in first two days of discrediting cases.
Who else is there? Commander? But don't those reasons stem from his supposedly scummy behavior in defending me? Theoretically the same argument could be used here.
repeat of above.
Victor Sullivan wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:Welcome to my world.

**High fives mandy**
Victor Sullivan wrote:nagerous wrote:Wait a second Victor, why is there blood on your hand?
FOS
Oh, nagerous, you were too drunk to remember, weren't you? That was some fine party. *winks at mandy* Commander was gettin' it on with Fircoal. Didn't realize he was into necrophilia...
Victor Sullivan wrote:nagerous wrote:Wait a second Victor, why is there blood on your hand?
FOS
Oh, nagerous, you were too drunk to remember, weren't you? That was some fine party. *winks at mandy* Commander was gettin' it on with Fircoal. Didn't realize he was into necrophilia...
Victor Sullivan wrote:strike wolf wrote:Hmm...not sure I really buy your excuse for voting me.
I wouldn't expect you to agree with lynching yourself

Victor Sullivan wrote:Commander9 wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:Thank God! You got me worried there for a second.
*
returns high five to Vic*
So in the end, all discussions basically end and you still won't respond. Well, gg guys.
It's been a good Day 2.

Do you need more fluff for your pillow? I can understand a bit of joking around here and there (I know I engage in it from time to time) but 4 straight fluff posts is excessive.
Victor Sullivan wrote:Wait, where did Davy Jones come from on your 18th point, pancakemix? I'm confused... Anyway, I have no reason to believe edocsil is lying, so I'll run with the Haggis lynch, despite pancakemix's rundown. There is a vig, as evidenced by Norrington's getting NK'd last night, so I don't think things will end up in the predicament you described.
Victor Sullivan wrote:pancakemix wrote:Victor Sullivan wrote:Wait, where did Davy Jones come from on your 18th point, pancakemix? I'm confused... Anyway, I have no reason to believe edocsil is lying, so I'll run with the Haggis lynch, despite pancakemix's rundown. There is a vig, as evidenced by Norrington's getting NK'd last night, so I don't think things will end up in the predicament you described.
That is where I'm getting Davy Jones from. The "do you fear death?" tidbit is his trademark. Hence, he's here and he's killing. Some of the early D2 discussion concerned this.
Meh, I think it's a town vig still, despite the tidbit.
Oh, and I forgot:
unvote, vote Haggis
Insisting that the killer is a vig. This is something I would expect the killer to say if he was trying to cover up his kill especially under these circumstances where it is exceedingly unlikely that it was a vig given the surrounding evidence.
Victor Sullivan wrote:Streaker's next as per edoc's negotiation? Alright: vote Streaker
just part of the lynch not much here other than being the 5th vote.
Victor Sullivan wrote:I told you he was (probably) a cult leader! That mean's town definitely has a vig, and by the results of Night 2, I suspect our vig can only target someone once every two nights? Either that, he's a JOAT and used up his one vig action, or he and the mafia just targeted the same person. Oh, well I guess there's also the possibility of a doc... Bah, I'm over-thinking, aren't I?
More insistence that it was a vig. Does not consider why there would be a hint to a recruitment in this scene and not the one before. Let's not forget that both the death of Norrington in Night 1 and the recruitment night 2 fits the description of Davy Jones. Did you forget that the Joat is dead? Also preemptive strike before you claim that the night 3 kill proves your theory that town does not have a vig let's not forget that falko took credit for killing sax and denied allowing anyone a sword night one.
Victor Sullivan wrote:Sigh... Maybe we should lynch EITC today, then, and hope for a Davy NK or something... I just feel like blindly searching for Jones when we have a list of definite threats seems a little silly. Idk, guys, what do you think? I suppose it depends on how much of a threat we think Jones is in comparison to the remaining EITC member(s).
Shifting attention away from a jones hunt.
Victor Sullivan wrote:pancakemix wrote:Victor Sullivan wrote:Sigh... Maybe we should lynch EITC today, then, and hope for a Davy NK or something... I just feel like blindly searching for Jones when we have a list of definite threats seems a little silly. Idk, guys, what do you think? I suppose it depends on how much of a threat we think Jones is in comparison to the remaining EITC member(s).
Considering that Jones' group is on pace to endgame us if we keep following edoc's lead (on a more general note, hate to say I told you so but...), I say we take our chances and hunt for the squid.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Ol' Sully must be a little off his rocker. I get it now.
pancakemix wrote:nagerous wrote:Vote Mandy
Again, I''m all for going after Jones and this is as good a lead as any, but on what grounds do you say he's the cult leader as opposed to just a normal cultie?
Even if he is just a regular cultie, we can look back at who he may have associated himself with, though you do make a good point, Mandy's actions don't quite seem up to leader status, but it's as good a lead as any.
Does not believe mandy is the recruiter but the recruiter should be the focus of this lynch not just any cult.
Victor Sullivan wrote:Hm, I guess we're at a tough spot. Mandy's claim was surprisingly believable. The cult is more of a threat at the moment, given its growing recruit count, but with Mandy's Jack Sparrow claim, we're kind of stuck protecting him tonight instead of edoc, thus allowing him to be killed and give no more names... I guess it depends on what we feel is more important. IMO, we should go for the EITC lynch, because if we attempt to lynch Jones and don't, we lose a town (possibly a cult recruit) and the last of the EITC names, though if edocsil is willing to list the remaining names now, it may be win win for us all and we can go on hunting Jones.
-Sully
Detouring from the jones hunt.
Victor Sullivan wrote:strike wolf wrote:Just a separate win condition. Congrats Vio. Anyways mandy, you tell me not to metagame based on scenes but isn't that exactly what you did to figure out that Nark was Angel in the buffy mafia? However that being said I realize that your behavior is mostly served as an effort to keep yourself from being lynched and at this point I would rather hunt for the Cult Recruiter. revote victor sullivan for misinformation, lurking, flawed logic, skimming and overall scummy play. fos doomyoshi for flawed logic
Misinformation? Flawed logic?? Scummy play??? Lurking??-oh, wait, well maybe a little Days 1 and 2, but I don't understand where this is all coming from...
This made me laugh.
Victor Sullivan wrote:My God, strike wolf, I get it, you think I'm the Cult Recruiter (you said it like a dozen times!) but here me out: Davy Jones can't possibly have a NK.
Scene after Night 2:safariguy5 wrote:Scene
During the night and reeling from the loss of Mercer, Cutler Beckett ordered a broadside into the Black Pearl. One of his gunners took aim at a night lantern on deck and fired a 12 pound ball at the ship with black sails.
On deck, the night watchmen was impaled by the various splinters and wood fragments that the cannonball made as it tore through the railing. He lay on the deck dying in pools of his own blood.
Almost as if it were chance, a barnacled and peglegged man strode towards him.
"Life is cruel. Why should the afterlife be any different? One Hundred Years before the mast. Will ye serve?"
"I will."
It is now Day 3, with 17 alive, it take 9 to lynch.
The cannonball that Cutler ordered to be fired killed him, Jones didn't kill him. Jones just recruited EITC's target, it seems.
Scene after Night 3:safariguy5 wrote:Scene
A bald man walked down the docks. Although the cursed Cutler Beckett had been hung, he was sure the King's soldiers were still on the lookout for pirates. As luck would have it, 2 of them stopped him.
"Oy, you there, you look familiar to me" cried one of the soldiers.
"I'm sorry" the bald man said, "but I cannot help you."
"Oh yes you can" the other one shouted. "By dying!"
Before anything else could be done, the two soldiers emptied their pistols right into the face of the man and left him bleeding on the docks.
As his vision dimmed, a strange looking woman with dirty black teeth came into view. "I hope God brushes his teeth better" he thought as everything went black.
He woke up still lying on the docks, apparently no worse for the wear.
Here, we can see edocsil was targeted for an NK by EITC, but he was protected.
safariguy5 wrote:Meanwhile, a grizzled old man peered through his telescope. He was looking for someone to get rid of all the obstacles the pirates were dealing with. Surely, there must be a way of stopping the East India Trading Company and the forces of the sea.
A sound behind him made him whirl around in surprise.
A clawed hand packed an ivory pipe and stuck it to the wet lips of an enormous man.
"Tell me, do you fear death?"
"I do."
Jones didn't kill him, he just recruited him.
safariguy5 wrote:In another part of Tortuga, a dashing looking young man in a ponytail walked into one of the taverns. He spied his target sitting at a table.
"You must be the one who's been causing all the trouble!" he cried, drawing a shiny sword.
"Sorry, you have the wrong man" replied the other, drawing a much less shiny sword.
Although the sword fight seemed evenly matched, the young man's sword proved to be too much for the other, and the young man ran his target through before escaping into the night.
TheSaxlad, Pintel,
Town Mason has been killed!

It is now Day 4! With 15 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
This kill would have to be at the hands of the vig, which we can assume was the one that killed Norrington in the scene after Night 1.
obviously you skimmed over where falko took credit for the kill and for the record since than he denied taking credit for the night 1 kill.
Falkomagno wrote:I can confirm that I killed the sax yesterday. His speedlynch and his overall lack of contribution sound me like scum. I can confirm as well that i have to protect a specific character, by killing Davvy Jones
Falkomagno wrote:strike wolf wrote:actually on that subject is it safe to assume you did not give anyone a killing sword night 1 falko?
Of course not...the fist night were for protection purposes...liz and myself
So yes I think I can make you out to be Jones based on this argument.