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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby / on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:57 am

strike wolf wrote:Jailkeep mandy and protect edoc.

Why do you suggest this order? it seems like an odd way to prioritize.
Jack being a survivor he could be detrimental to any side in theory, but we don't have enough info to draw the conclusion he needs to be stopped, nor are we asking for said info.
This being pirates themed and it being likely davey isn't just a run of the mill recruiter, I could see it as possible mandy may have some sort of potential to use against him, such as him stealing his heart in the movie.
in addition jailkeeper isn't an excessively common role, therefor endangering jack slightly more than sao, which also logically doesn't make sense, if jack dies we lose sao and jack, if sao dies we lose sao, either way doesn't technically lose town, but a head is a head until we can put a stop to the cult's growth.
Besides that mandy has already stated he doesn't need protection, making the whole request potentially use up more town resources.
and yes yes, I know you aren't davey, I'm just curious what your motivations for this are.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby mandalorian2298 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:06 am

Thank you for paying attention /.

For the rest of you: DO NOT WASTE YOUR PROTECTIVE POWERS ON ME!

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mandalorian2298 wrote:I do need be alive to win



wait a second..this just stroke my mind...

If you need to be alive to win, that means your win condition is not town's one. Therefor..you are not town.

:-k


Actually, that means that Town's victory, alone is not enough for me to win.

Ok, since no one is buying my theory (and I can't really blame you this time, since this one is wild AND my conclusion is that we should vote for the pro-town hero), I'll switch back.

unvote vote Edoc because:
a) he is refusing to help,
b) he is a part of Mafia,
c) even if he gave us a name in the later stages, how sure can we be that he is still telling the truth and not deflecting the Town in the wrong direction to push Mafia closer to victory
d) (And this totally not the most important reason ;) ) After we hang him we will know once and for all if I am right about him being recruited.

Any of you who still think that he might give us something useful, please google "Wizard's First Rule"? :ugeek: If wishes were horses we would always hang scum. ;)
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby Falkomagno on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:31 am

Well, i made some re read and have a suspect. vote sheep For Illiad votes pattern, and after the replacement, and even after edoc gave haggis and streaker names, sheep seemed nervous and was supporting the lynch of edoc before.

I can confirm that I killed the sax yesterday. His speedlynch and his overall lack of contribution sound me like scum. I can confirm as well that i have to protect a specific character, by killing Davvy Jones

I have one doubt, what does a Town Mason? and what does a Mafia Framer?


Edoc, your worthiness to the town is proven when u gave us names...otherwise you are simply a third party. You can give us at least one name more, so we can debug the search for Jones, and have a decent town NK....

for the record, only to put in words what i just registered after the re reading, another suspicious characters in my list, by vote patterns and some negative points that I notice are /, nag, pancake and Victor.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:24 am

/ wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Jailkeep mandy and protect edoc.

Why do you suggest this order? it seems like an odd way to prioritize.
Jack being a survivor he could be detrimental to any side in theory, but we don't have enough info to draw the conclusion he needs to be stopped, nor are we asking for said info.
This being pirates themed and it being likely davey isn't just a run of the mill recruiter, I could see it as possible mandy may have some sort of potential to use against him, such as him stealing his heart in the movie.
in addition jailkeeper isn't an excessively common role, therefor endangering jack slightly more than sao, which also logically doesn't make sense, if jack dies we lose sao and jack, if sao dies we lose sao, either way doesn't technically lose town, but a head is a head until we can put a stop to the cult's growth.
Besides that mandy has already stated he doesn't need protection, making the whole request potentially use up more town resources.
and yes yes, I know you aren't davey, I'm just curious what your motivations for this are.


To be honest I'm just getting to the point where I thinking this whole mandy situation right now is distracting and people seemed to be both concerned with mandy living as a potential "danger" and the possibility of mafia taking him out over night so I was just trying to suggest something that covered both bases.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby nagerous on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:31 am

Falkomagno wrote:Well, i made some re read and have a suspect. vote sheep For Illiad votes pattern, and after the replacement, and even after edoc gave haggis and streaker names, sheep seemed nervous and was supporting the lynch of edoc before.

I can confirm that I killed the sax yesterday. His speedlynch and his overall lack of contribution sound me like scum. I can confirm as well that i have to protect a specific character, by killing Davvy Jones

I have one doubt, what does a Town Mason? and what does a Mafia Framer?


Edoc, your worthiness to the town is proven when u gave us names...otherwise you are simply a third party. You can give us at least one name more, so we can debug the search for Jones, and have a decent town NK....

for the record, only to put in words what i just registered after the re reading, another suspicious characters in my list, by vote patterns and some negative points that I notice are /, nag, pancake and Victor.


Mafia framer picks one person per night to frame, if they are investigated by our town cop then they will come out as scum under investigation.

Mason is a paired role, and they are usually paired with another fellow townie and they are able to talk at night and discuss who they think are scum etc.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:36 am

Falkomagno wrote:Well, i made some re read and have a suspect. vote sheep For Illiad votes pattern, and after the replacement, and even after edoc gave haggis and streaker names, sheep seemed nervous and was supporting the lynch of edoc before.

I can confirm that I killed the sax yesterday. His speedlynch and his overall lack of contribution sound me like scum. I can confirm as well that i have to protect a specific character, by killing Davvy Jones

I have one doubt, what does a Town Mason? and what does a Mafia Framer?
Mason is usually a town aligned role that knows the identity of other town aligned roles. It can sometimes start off as just one mason recruiter or it can be a finite number of townies in the game. Unlike lovers when one mason dies the other(s) continue to live. A mafia framer is someone who selects a target each night and makes the person appear guilty when investigated by the cop.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby edocsil on Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:46 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:....

unvote vote Edoc because:
a) he is refusing to help,
b) he is a part of Mafia,
c) even if he gave us a name in the later stages, how sure can we be that he is still telling the truth and not deflecting the Town in the wrong direction to push Mafia closer to victory
d) (And this totally not the most important reason ;) ) After we hang him we will know once and for all if I am right about him being recruited.

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A, I am not refusing to help, the town just has to help me, nothing in this world is free
B, Yes, I am mafia, but that has it's advantages, see part d
C, Like I have said so many times before. I am looking to win on my own, its is fairly obvious that the scum are not going to win at this point, not after I betrayed half of them and am will to do more. I gave you their GF for gods sake, they are screwed.
D, As scum, I do not believe I can be recruited, although because I am not EITC I do have some doubts.

Long story short, that seems like a pretty week case compared to the usual, I honestly expected more to have to counter, and more substance, not just some silly list of erroneous bullet points.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:31 pm

So we are divided between people who want to lynch victor, those who want to lynch commander, some wanting to lynch sheep, a couple wanting to lynch mandy and mandy and edoc's back and forth. With the growing cult concern I do not think we can afford to pursue lynching Captain Jack before taking out Davey Jones. The case I heard against sheep also seems to point more towards him being mafia not cult (I'll reread myself but the evidence given presents that front). The case on commander the evidence is mostly consistent but the evidence for him not supporting a hunt for cult is not. As far as victor. I've stated why I believe he should be our lynch and I plan to organize a summary post of his actions from day 1 until now as soon as possible (next couple of days).

Can we get a vote count please?
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:36 pm

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- pcm, edoc
edoc(1)- mandy
Victor(3)- Yoshi, strike, sheep
Com9(1)- freezie
sheep(1)- falko

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Also, anyone I should prod?
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:47 pm

I'm reading, don't prod me. Will give some thoughts after work tonight.

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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:52 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Vote Count

Mandy(2)- pcm, edoc
edoc(2)- strike, mandy
Victor(2)- strike, sheep
Com9(1)- freezie
sheep(1)- falko

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Also, anyone I should prod?


You have me as a part of two wagons. I believe my vote is currently on Victor. I'll review but I think most are at least marginally active.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:00 pm

My vote is also on Victor - see page 46. I think he is the best candidate for cult recruiter, so unless anyone can suggest a better candidate for cult recruiter, that is where my vote stays.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby edocsil on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:06 pm

strike wolf wrote:So we are divided between people who want to lynch victor, those who want to lynch commander, some wanting to lynch sheep, a couple wanting to lynch mandy and mandy and edoc's back and forth. With the growing cult concern I do not think we can afford to pursue lynching Captain Jack before taking out Davey Jones. The case I heard against sheep also seems to point more towards him being mafia not cult (I'll reread myself but the evidence given presents that front). The case on commander the evidence is mostly consistent but the evidence for him not supporting a hunt for cult is not. As far as victor. I've stated why I believe he should be our lynch and I plan to organize a summary post of his actions from day 1 until now as soon as possible (next couple of days).

Can we get a vote count please?


Yes but hunting jones is only good if you actually FIND him. There are what, 14 left alive? Your odds of finding the one big baddie slim. I am offering to give you all the remaining scum faction in one fell swoop. Right now there are 3 Cult, just Jones and his 2 recruits. What do you stand to lose with going with me? One more recruit? If you lynch someone else the scum could kill Mandy in the night, endgaming me. Then you get absolutely nothing and be on D5 with few leads and 2 factions coming for you.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:10 pm

Mandy has already strongly suggested that he is self-protecting though. I am not sure you can rely on the mafia getting him. If we lynch mafia, won't you also be endgamed? At what point will you reveal the list? Immediately after the hammer is called? Can we rely on the fact that you will be online then edoc?
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby edocsil on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:51 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Mandy has already strongly suggested that he is self-protecting though. I am not sure you can rely on the mafia getting him. If we lynch mafia, won't you also be endgamed? At what point will you reveal the list? Immediately after the hammer is called? Can we rely on the fact that you will be online then edoc?


He could be bluffing in order to survive, I don't know. The thought is I UNVOTE and then others put him at L-2. Seeing as I have no life, I am on here quite a bit. Once I see that he is at L-2 I wait for someone else to come online, say Strike or Freezie. We both confirm we are ready to hang him, the other votes and then I vote and give the names of the remaining scum. You get rid of a non town Mandy, Me, and then can freely kill the scum at your leisure. Town is safe and has a single remaining enemy to find who you have a cop to identify.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:07 pm

My God, strike wolf, I get it, you think I'm the Cult Recruiter (you said it like a dozen times!) but here me out: Davy Jones can't possibly have a NK.
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During the night and reeling from the loss of Mercer, Cutler Beckett ordered a broadside into the Black Pearl. One of his gunners took aim at a night lantern on deck and fired a 12 pound ball at the ship with black sails.

On deck, the night watchmen was impaled by the various splinters and wood fragments that the cannonball made as it tore through the railing. He lay on the deck dying in pools of his own blood.

Almost as if it were chance, a barnacled and peglegged man strode towards him.

"Life is cruel. Why should the afterlife be any different? One Hundred Years before the mast. Will ye serve?"

"I will."

It is now Day 3, with 17 alive, it take 9 to lynch.

The cannonball that Cutler ordered to be fired killed him, Jones didn't kill him. Jones just recruited EITC's target, it seems.


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A bald man walked down the docks. Although the cursed Cutler Beckett had been hung, he was sure the King's soldiers were still on the lookout for pirates. As luck would have it, 2 of them stopped him.

"Oy, you there, you look familiar to me" cried one of the soldiers.

"I'm sorry" the bald man said, "but I cannot help you."

"Oh yes you can" the other one shouted. "By dying!"

Before anything else could be done, the two soldiers emptied their pistols right into the face of the man and left him bleeding on the docks.

As his vision dimmed, a strange looking woman with dirty black teeth came into view. "I hope God brushes his teeth better" he thought as everything went black.

He woke up still lying on the docks, apparently no worse for the wear.

Here, we can see edocsil was targeted for an NK by EITC, but he was protected.


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A sound behind him made him whirl around in surprise.

A clawed hand packed an ivory pipe and stuck it to the wet lips of an enormous man.

"Tell me, do you fear death?"

"I do."

Jones didn't kill him, he just recruited him.


safariguy5 wrote:In another part of Tortuga, a dashing looking young man in a ponytail walked into one of the taverns. He spied his target sitting at a table.

"You must be the one who's been causing all the trouble!" he cried, drawing a shiny sword.

"Sorry, you have the wrong man" replied the other, drawing a much less shiny sword.

Although the sword fight seemed evenly matched, the young man's sword proved to be too much for the other, and the young man ran his target through before escaping into the night.

TheSaxlad, Pintel, Town Mason has been killed!

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It is now Day 4! With 15 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

This kill would have to be at the hands of the vig, which we can assume was the one that killed Norrington in the scene after Night 1.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Now, I'm not saying this doesn't make him a threat, but you can't accuse me of being Davy Jones based off of this argument.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby sheepofdumb on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:33 pm

edocsil wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Mandy has already strongly suggested that he is self-protecting though. I am not sure you can rely on the mafia getting him. If we lynch mafia, won't you also be endgamed? At what point will you reveal the list? Immediately after the hammer is called? Can we rely on the fact that you will be online then edoc?


He could be bluffing in order to survive, I don't know. The thought is I UNVOTE and then others put him at L-2. Seeing as I have no life, I am on here quite a bit. Once I see that he is at L-2 I wait for someone else to come online, say Strike or Freezie. We both confirm we are ready to hang him, the other votes and then I vote and give the names of the remaining scum. You get rid of a non town Mandy, Me, and then can freely kill the scum at your leisure. Town is safe and has a single remaining enemy to find who you have a cop to identify.


We won't have a cop if he gets recruited. It's in the towns best interest to keep you and Mandy alive and the rest of the mafia hidden while we hunt Davy Jones. We need every advantage against the cult right now. If the mafia waste their NK's then they won't be a threat.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:03 pm

So according to your theory we have a vig whose description is exactly like Davey Jones in one scene (but is not Davey Jones despite his otherwise lack of appearance that was quite present in other scenes) and exactly like Will Turner's in another scene who randomly kills somebody that pretty much no one suspected as scum (one thing that has struck me is you don't even entertain the thought of it having been an SK back on day 2). On the other hand we can actually look, see that the description fits Davey Jones appearance and character, that there really wasn't any suspicion being thrown Squirrel's way which makes the person a more likely an attempted cult recruit than a vig kill target.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby strike wolf on Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:25 pm

To Edoc: the problem is you mention possibly mislynching trying to find jones today. SO you suggest lynching mandy today and going for the lynch tomorrow the problem therein lies that the most likely outcome is that we still end up mislynching jones with the consequence that it is a day later and that extra recruit hurts us even more.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby edocsil on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:33 pm

strike wolf wrote:To Edoc: the problem is you mention possibly mislynching trying to find jones today. SO you suggest lynching mandy today and going for the lynch tomorrow the problem therein lies that the most likely outcome is that we still end up mislynching jones with the consequence that it is a day later and that extra recruit hurts us even more.


Perhaps, but you will have fewer dead during the night because you will know who roleblock. Also, you may lose the chance to get the scum handed to you at all if either of us end up dead.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:32 pm

edocsil wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Mandy has already strongly suggested that he is self-protecting though. I am not sure you can rely on the mafia getting him. If we lynch mafia, won't you also be endgamed? At what point will you reveal the list? Immediately after the hammer is called? Can we rely on the fact that you will be online then edoc?


He could be bluffing in order to survive, I don't know. The thought is I UNVOTE and then others put him at L-2. Seeing as I have no life, I am on here quite a bit. Once I see that he is at L-2 I wait for someone else to come online, say Strike or Freezie. We both confirm we are ready to hang him, the other votes and then I vote and give the names of the remaining scum. You get rid of a non town Mandy, Me, and then can freely kill the scum at your leisure. Town is safe and has a single remaining enemy to find who you have a cop to identify.


I am starting to see that perhaps we can make a deal here. With Mandy gone and edoc endgamed, that also answers the question of whether or not edoc was recruited. unvote vote mandy. With the list of mafia out of the way, we can focus entirely on whether or not somebody is cult - which I think everyone agrees is the bigger threat now.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby Commander9 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:10 pm

strike wolf wrote:So we are divided between people who want to lynch victor, those who want to lynch commander, some wanting to lynch sheep, a couple wanting to lynch mandy and mandy and edoc's back and forth. With the growing cult concern I do not think we can afford to pursue lynching Captain Jack before taking out Davey Jones. The case I heard against sheep also seems to point more towards him being mafia not cult (I'll reread myself but the evidence given presents that front). The case on commander the evidence is mostly consistent but the evidence for him not supporting a hunt for cult is not. As far as victor. I've stated why I believe he should be our lynch and I plan to organize a summary post of his actions from day 1 until now as soon as possible (next couple of days).

Can we get a vote count please?


Just one quick clarification - the only person who suggested and wanted was freezie and he had 0 evidence, so I'm not sure where you came up with this.

sheepofdumb wrote:We won't have a cop if he gets recruited. It's in the towns best interest to keep you and Mandy alive and the rest of the mafia hidden while we hunt Davy Jones. We need every advantage against the cult right now. If the mafia waste their NK's then they won't be a threat.


What's the advantage of having scum concealed?

strike wolf wrote:To Edoc: the problem is you mention possibly mislynching trying to find jones today. SO you suggest lynching mandy today and going for the lynch tomorrow the problem therein lies that the most likely outcome is that we still end up mislynching jones with the consequence that it is a day later and that extra recruit hurts us even more.


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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby sheepofdumb on Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:11 pm

Commander9 wrote:
sheepofdumb wrote:We won't have a cop if he gets recruited. It's in the towns best interest to keep you and Mandy alive and the rest of the mafia hidden while we hunt Davy Jones. We need every advantage against the cult right now. If the mafia waste their NK's then they won't be a threat.


What's the advantage of having scum concealed?


If a cult recruiter targets scum he usually dies.
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Re: POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 4 Another Death

Postby edocsil on Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:44 am

sheepofdumb wrote:
Commander9 wrote:
sheepofdumb wrote:We won't have a cop if he gets recruited. It's in the towns best interest to keep you and Mandy alive and the rest of the mafia hidden while we hunt Davy Jones. We need every advantage against the cult right now. If the mafia waste their NK's then they won't be a threat.


What's the advantage of having scum concealed?


If a cult recruiter targets scum he usually dies.


But not here, as per night scene 1. I have also never seen that occur here, although that is in part due to a small number of cult games.
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