POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[Commander9]

That is possible, Perhaps something could be coordinated at L-2? That would work reasonably well I can assume.

Com, I don't know what you mean by trusty individuals, and I don't like relying on a hey, we will help you later...

Didn't you say you knew alignment of 11 people? Well, what you're suggesting to do is risky and I'm not going to sign for that. My world is golden, but if you don't want to trust that, I'm fine with it as well. My reasoning is that you don't really have all that much bargaining power - you've already did what you did and to turn back down would be a bad idea and a loss for everyone.

[freezie]

Mandy, as far as your suggestion that we lynch Gibbs, I think it would be a good idea if there were a few things different. A, NK sounds better B, I cared about the Cult goonies and C, another wasn't just going to be recruited in the night anyways.

If you want to lynch me, go ahead, but wait till later in the game, as I have not be recruited and intend to find Davey as probably the last captain alive in the game. I am willing to follow the Majority on who I investigate each night.

Secondly, sorry Mandy for outting you. My gamble on roleclaiming definitly failed there.

Third, I agree with Strike, Edoc should give the last names. Especiallyu now that we KNOW you will be endgamed, it is no longer a possibility for you to keep them, as we will not kill Mandy and he will easily be protected. he is more important than you are now, and if you want to stay alive, you need to cover with the last names. Doesn't mean we'll off them, or you anyway, since cult is our biggest threat now.

As SW pointed out, even putting you at L-2 is very risky, so I'm not quite sure how that's such a good idea. Tell you what - if you give all other scum information that we need and perhaps point out trusty individuals (without revealing their roles), I can promise you that I'll do everything that I can that you'd get your lynch. If not, we've got plenty of other avenues to go to (especially since we've got a Cult recruiter out there), so you can wait till another day and hope you're still alive.

And this post out of all tells me to Vote: commander

Surely not the cult leader, but he IS pointing in direction of taking care of the mafias before the cult..

Best I got for now..

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gosh, long read for one RL day
Well it seems that edoc has lied about not being endgamed, as vio has just left the game, I think this is a sign the deal is off.
That means in sacrificing jack we'd be losing two players for the info on a nearly defeated mafia, it doesn't seem like a good trade with a cult going 3+ strong among 14 players, leaving 5ish scumies to 7ish townies, especially seeing as how edoc has no preference towards anyone's win but his own and could just as easily give town false info before he leaves us to rot in davey's locker.

I'm sorry mandy, but I think the scenes have been as explicit as possible in detail, every night so far the mod has given us a scene with Davey in it, it doesn't make sense to have him stab someone just for the sake of flavor when we have edoc reviving from getting his face shot off.
Besides how is davey going to die from targeting someone else? He doesn't wear is heart around like a necklace does he?

The tonka and nag recruitment is however probable, at least if davey is an oldie, but I have to say the night one recruit was almost for sure Mr. Squirrel.... hmm if I were to take a shot in the dark I might say Commander could be possible. it's rather odd that he would forget edoc's claim if he were town, seeing as how edoc has been practically the only topic for days. mr.s' briarsburg also seems to be one of comm's first games, and since then they have been in enough games together to make me think comm would think he's an MVP recruit this game.

fastposted by freezie, whoops almost forgot about the captain thing, but if freezie were recruited I doubt he would be voting him...
hmmm, I wonder if Davey leads a played straight cult? if we're doing flavor gaming here I could see a zillion reasons his own crew would want him dead under the right circumstance.

Nevermind, I'll have to reread a bit before casting a vote now.

[edocsil]

Mandy, as far as your suggestion that we lynch Gibbs, I think it would be a good idea if there were a few things different. A, NK sounds better B, I cared about the Cult goonies and C, another wasn't just going to be recruited in the night anyways.

If you want to lynch me, go ahead, but wait till later in the game, as I have not be recruited and intend to find Davey as probably the last captain alive in the game. I am willing to follow the Majority on who I investigate each night.

Secondly, sorry Mandy for outting you. My gamble on roleclaiming definitly failed there.

Third, I agree with Strike, Edoc should give the last names. Especiallyu now that we KNOW you will be endgamed, it is no longer a possibility for you to keep them, as we will not kill Mandy and he will easily be protected. he is more important than you are now, and if you want to stay alive, you need to cover with the last names. Doesn't mean we'll off them, or you anyway, since cult is our biggest threat now.

As SW pointed out, even putting you at L-2 is very risky, so I'm not quite sure how that's such a good idea. Tell you what - if you give all other scum information that we need and perhaps point out trusty individuals (without revealing their roles), I can promise you that I'll do everything that I can that you'd get your lynch. If not, we've got plenty of other avenues to go to (especially since we've got a Cult recruiter out there), so you can wait till another day and hope you're still alive.

And this post out of all tells me to Vote: commander

Surely not the cult leader, but he IS pointing in direction of taking care of the mafias before the cult..

Best I got for now..

I will give no more names, as I have stated several times, unless it will benefit me. I will not be protected if I do not have value, and those names I have are all that I posses of value. It is unlikely that Mandy will be NKed now, so I must keep them in hope that you will be willing to lynch him in exchange for them. Seeing as he is no more town then I am I see it as a fair trade. You will be able to NK the remaining scum at night and it will leave you free to hunt Jones during the day. A win for you, assuming you are still town.

/, I didn't lie, that was what Saf told me, but he has changed his ruling, I have asked him to confirm that.

[Commander9]

As SW pointed out, even putting you at L-2 is very risky, so I'm not quite sure how that's such a good idea. Tell you what - if you give all other scum information that we need and perhaps point out trusty individuals (without revealing their roles), I can promise you that I'll do everything that I can that you'd get your lynch. If not, we've got plenty of other avenues to go to (especially since we've got a Cult recruiter out there), so you can wait till another day and hope you're still alive.

And this post out of all tells me to Vote: commander

Surely not the cult leader, but he IS pointing in direction of taking care of the mafias before the cult..

Best I got for now..

May you please explain your double standards? You agree with STrike that Edoc shouldn't get anything before giving the names, but you accuse me (falsely) that I'm not caring about the cult?

@ /

Trust me, the past 2 weeks (well, last week more so than this one) I had bigger things on my mind than keeping in mind SPECIFIC role information from Edoc. As far as your assessment goes, you already know that I'm not Davey Jones (freezie cleared me), so I can't recruit and I couldn't have recruited Edoc (nice skimming ).

[strike wolf]

I'll stick witth my vote on victor. I say we lynch him today. If he's not the cult recruiter than kill commander or whoever you believe to be cult recruiter next. After we've taken out the cult recruiter we can work with edoc in coordinating the deal. Id like to get the deal done and lynch mandy at our leisure in the upcoming days but if edoc won't budge well I fought for it but I'm not willing to waste too much time on a lost cause.

[Commander9]

I'll stick witth my vote on victor. I say we lynch him today. If he's not the cult recruiter than kill commander or whoever you believe to be cult recruiter next. After we've taken out the cult recruiter we can work with edoc in coordinating the deal. Id like to get the deal done and lynch mandy at our leisure in the upcoming days but if edoc won't budge well I fought for it but I'm not willing to waste too much time on a lost cause.

It's again sort of funny how you guys skip the important information. Consider this:

I) Davey Jones is commanding a ship. Thus, he's a Captain.

II) We have a so called cop who can find out whether a person is a captain or not. Cop says that me and Strike are not captains while Mandy is.

III) If I'm not a Captain, I can't be Davey Jones.

*Deep sigh*

[safariguy5]

Yes, I may have given certain people or persons the wrong info. However, I cannot make any more clarifying statements without biasing the game.

[strike wolf]

I'll stick witth my vote on victor. I say we lynch him today. If he's not the cult recruiter than kill commander or whoever you believe to be cult recruiter next. After we've taken out the cult recruiter we can work with edoc in coordinating the deal. Id like to get the deal done and lynch mandy at our leisure in the upcoming days but if edoc won't budge well I fought for it but I'm not willing to waste too much time on a lost cause.

It's again sort of funny how you guys skip the important information. Consider this:

I) Davey Jones is commanding a ship. Thus, he's a Captain.

II) We have a so called cop who can find out whether a person is a captain or not. Cop says that me and Strike are not captains while Mandy is.

III) If I'm not a Captain, I can't be Davey Jones.

*Deep sigh*

I tend to believe you over victor yes however. If freezie was recruited and I see that as a possibility he could have put up two real results one being mandy as the captain and the other me or you. With a false result for davey jones as not being a captain as a smoke screen. that being said I strongly believe victor to be a more likely candidate for davey jones. If I have to gather the evidence I will until then I encourage others to look over victors actions.

[edocsil]

I'll stick witth my vote on victor. I say we lynch him today. If he's not the cult recruiter than kill commander or whoever you believe to be cult recruiter next. After we've taken out the cult recruiter we can work with edoc in coordinating the deal. Id like to get the deal done and lynch mandy at our leisure in the upcoming days but if edoc won't budge well I fought for it but I'm not willing to waste too much time on a lost cause.

I would like to deal just as much as you would, but I cannot show my whole hand right now. I can accept waiting, but I doubt it will happen later, as likely either he or I will die from the mafia killing one of us, either would result in me being unable to tell you anything. Now is the best time, it prevents further town deaths by ousting the scum and allows me to win. I get endgamed and the rest of the time can be spent hunting your single remaining enemy. I am handing the town the game here, but no one seems to be willing to buy what I am selling. With Mandy not being town it shouldn't be to hard on the town's conscience. I have to trust that the Town doesn't have a governor that will screw me, the town has to trust I will give you the names.

[strike wolf]

The problem is that cult is the bigger threat right now and they are a threat to you as well. So I think you as well should be interested in finding them as a mandy lynch is not on the slate right now.

[Commander9]

I tend to believe you over victor yes however. If freezie was recruited and I see that as a possibility he could have put up two real results one being mandy as the captain and the other me or you. With a false result for davey jones as not being a captain as a smoke screen. that being said I strongly believe victor to be a more likely candidate for davey jones. If I have to gather the evidence I will until then I encourage others to look over victors actions.

Fair enough, I can buy into this. I would be interested in why you would consider me as a possibility to be DJ, though.

[strike wolf]

I tend to believe you over victor yes however. If freezie was recruited and I see that as a possibility he could have put up two real results one being mandy as the captain and the other me or you. With a false result for davey jones as not being a captain as a smoke screen. that being said I strongly believe victor to be a more likely candidate for davey jones. If I have to gather the evidence I will until then I encourage others to look over victors actions.

Fair enough, I can buy into this. I would be interested in why you would consider me as a possibility to be DJ, though.

Well I'm much more inclined to believe that victor is beyond that it is more about I don't have another good lead onto cult recruiter and you are a better lead than others. I have my suspicions of yoshi but I am not sure if he's cult or mafia and for the most part I don't have a case on anyone else. So really I'm just more willing to allow them to follow their lead if mine doesn't pan out but I honestly think victor is the recruiter.

[Commander9]

Well I'm much more inclined to believe that victor is beyond that it is more about I don't have another good lead onto cult recruiter and you are a better lead than others. I have my suspicions of yoshi but I am not sure if he's cult or mafia and for the most part I don't have a case on anyone else. So really I'm just more willing to allow them to follow their lead if mine doesn't pan out but I honestly think victor is the recruiter.

To be fair, Sheep and / have also been flying under the radar, so it's not necessarily Sully, but I do like his avenue (since Edoc is not willing to give us any more names).

[edocsil]

The problem is that cult is the bigger threat right now and they are a threat to you as well. So I think you as well should be interested in finding them as a mandy lynch is not on the slate right now.

So we wait then I guess, though the Cult is only a threat to me because you are unwilling to cooperate. Talk to me when you want to hang mandy, till then I will go see if I can't find a case for who Jones is, the sooner this ends with him the sooner we can get to what I want.

[freezie]

I do need be alive to win

wait a second..this just stroke my mind...

If you need to be alive to win, that means your win condition is not town's one. Therefor..you are not town.

[pancakemix]

I do need be alive to win

wait a second..this just stroke my mind...

If you need to be alive to win, that means your win condition is not town's one. Therefor..you are not town.

I had figured that already. Which is why I'm more than willing to hand him over to edoc. But not until we get those names. Seems we're at an impasse, but still.

[sheepofdumb]

To be fair, Sheep and / have also been flying under the radar, so it's not necessarily Sully, but I do like his avenue (since Edoc is not willing to give us any more names).

Don't mind me, I'm just chillin.



This whole Mandy vs Edoc is getting silly. The mafia know that the doc protected edoc. They aren't going to kill Jack Sparrow and let the Edoc win. If the doc is going to stick on Edoc then we can let that simmer for a while. Their bickering and wc deal cutting is side tracking day. The cult need to be stopped first.

Freezie is the only person that we know has the potential to lead us to Davy Jones. It looks like our only help is going to get recruited.

So we should go off our best lead. Vote Sully

[pancakemix]

This whole Mandy vs Edoc is getting silly. The mafia know that the doc protected edoc. They aren't going to kill Jack Sparrow and let the Edoc win. If the doc is going to stick on Edoc then we can let that simmer for a while. Their bickering and wc deal cutting is side tracking day. The cult need to be stopped first.

No, they'll kill mandy to remove edoc from the game and keep his mouth shut. Hence the dilemma.

[freezie]

To be fair, Sheep and / have also been flying under the radar, so it's not necessarily Sully, but I do like his avenue (since Edoc is not willing to give us any more names).

Don't mind me, I'm just chillin.



This whole Mandy vs Edoc is getting silly. The mafia know that the doc protected edoc. They aren't going to kill Jack Sparrow and let the Edoc win. If the doc is going to stick on Edoc then we can let that simmer for a while. Their bickering and wc deal cutting is side tracking day. The cult need to be stopped first.

Freezie is the only person that we know has the potential to lead us to Davy Jones. It looks like our only help is going to get recruited.

So we should go off our best lead. Vote Sully

But they WILL kill Sparrow as long as edoc doesn't give us more names, as it is their only chance to win. Who cares about if Edoc wins or not..except edoc.

But then again, we don't know what Jack has in store for us. He could be another threat to us, just like in the movies.

[sheepofdumb]

To be fair, Sheep and / have also been flying under the radar, so it's not necessarily Sully, but I do like his avenue (since Edoc is not willing to give us any more names).

Don't mind me, I'm just chillin.



This whole Mandy vs Edoc is getting silly. The mafia know that the doc protected edoc. They aren't going to kill Jack Sparrow and let the Edoc win. If the doc is going to stick on Edoc then we can let that simmer for a while. Their bickering and wc deal cutting is side tracking day. The cult need to be stopped first.

Freezie is the only person that we know has the potential to lead us to Davy Jones. It looks like our only help is going to get recruited.

So we should go off our best lead. Vote Sully

But they WILL kill Sparrow as long as edoc doesn't give us more names, as it is their only chance to win. Who cares about if Edoc wins or not..except edoc.

But then again, we don't know what Jack has in store for us. He could be another threat to us, just like in the movies.

Why would the mafia kill Jack to let Edoc win? They aren't going to win with him are they?

[strike wolf]

Jack by nature is a survivor so it doesn't surprise me that he's third party. Furthermore I would say that doing the numbers with a shrinking town and growing cult if we don't start actively hunting cult today we could become out numbered rather quickly. Jailkeep mandy and protect edoc but we need to kill the recruirer today and victor in my opinion is the best lead.

[sheepofdumb]

To be fair, Sheep and / have also been flying under the radar, so it's not necessarily Sully, but I do like his avenue (since Edoc is not willing to give us any more names).

Don't mind me, I'm just chillin.



This whole Mandy vs Edoc is getting silly. The mafia know that the doc protected edoc. They aren't going to kill Jack Sparrow and let the Edoc win. If the doc is going to stick on Edoc then we can let that simmer for a while. Their bickering and wc deal cutting is side tracking day. The cult need to be stopped first.

Freezie is the only person that we know has the potential to lead us to Davy Jones. It looks like our only help is going to get recruited.

So we should go off our best lead. Vote Sully

But they WILL kill Sparrow as long as edoc doesn't give us more names, as it is their only chance to win. Who cares about if Edoc wins or not..except edoc.

But then again, we don't know what Jack has in store for us. He could be another threat to us, just like in the movies.

Why would the mafia kill Jack to let Edoc win? They aren't going to win with him are they?

EBWOP According to edocs claim JS's death is not the mafia wc.

I am the Sao Feng, Town Traitor, I win with the mafia. That however is not the the win condition I am aiming for. If Jack dies while I am alive I win as well.

So the way my role works is if Jack dies while I am alive I win, and if I make it to the end of the game alive and the mafia win, I win as well. The issue with that is they don't know that I am allied with them, hence I end up dead, and not winning. My odds are much better selling them out (I know who they all are, but not roles) and crossing my fingers that Jack dies before I do. Like I said, the town and I have something the other wants. I know all the EITC, you have doc protections. Every day I am alive I will give you another scum, and I will hope that Jack gets NKed.

[strike wolf]

As far as whether mafia would win. I doubt it and my win condition says nothing about captain Jack having to live.

[edocsil]

I do need be alive to win

wait a second..this just stroke my mind...

If you need to be alive to win, that means your win condition is not town's one. Therefor..you are not town.

Yes, hence why I voted him and I think he should be lynched. I wouldn't have voted if I didn't think I could get it finished.

I do need be alive to win

wait a second..this just stroke my mind...

If you need to be alive to win, that means your win condition is not town's one. Therefor..you are not town.

I had figured that already. Which is why I'm more than willing to hand him over to edoc. But not until we get those names. Seems we're at an impasse, but still.

So you don't think I will give you the names when I cast the lynching vote? Why the hell not, you scratch my back I scratch yours. But surely you see why there is no logical reason to hang Jack (besides the fact that he isn't town) if you already have all the info I can give you?