Tail, regardless of the merit of the vote, thanks for at least showing your line of thought. It's now much better and less infuriating than your previous one-liner.
Tail wrote:Pointless. As I said in my last post, and what freezie said earlier, the idea of a non-sane cop in a 12 player game is ridiculous. This isn't a chu or Victor game (I don't know that chu uses various sanities--Victor does, but their games are crazy and Saf has balanced games). Having an insane or paranoid cop (most likely the only investigative role) would be a waste of time.
I never really rested my arguments on that, I just mentioned
en passant a myriad of roles that could have explained his guilty report. If you read my arguments again, you'll see I myself ruled that as unlikely.
Tail wrote:I disagree here. DoomYoshi's earlier D1 accusation of blake consisted mainly of the AoG BW for the claim. And, let me remind you, it wasn't the BW that Yoshi found scummy, but the fact that he did so for the claim. The whole point of voting is to pressure players, eventually to the point that they may need to claim. If they can defend themselves properly, that's all well and good, but ultimately a claim is the goal. A town claim is unfortunate, but if a scum is forced to claim, the idea is that they'll f*ck up the claim and get outed. So, other than his vote and subsequent unvote of AoG, what stood out to make blakebowling the scummiest? For my money I would probably say 00icon (maybe--I must go over D1 again).
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here, then. I've already stated my case on why I considered blake to be the scummiest day 1 alive character. And it's not like I only said that to protect myself from his day 2 accusation, as I had him voted for the most part of day 1 (and I ended it with him under my FOS).
About 00iCon, I can't say for sure that he's clear, but I don't think he's mafia. At least he's not on my top 2 scummiest.
Tail wrote:This is mere speculation. Who knows why blake would choose to claim this early? Certainly, if I was the cop and I had gotten a guilty verdict on N1, I would attempt to maneuver a lynch without claiming, but you can't apply strategies to every single player every time. Maybe he got excited, maybe he wants doc protection, maybe he wanted to make sure it would get done. Who knows? I'll tell you this: if you indeed flipped town, then this would guarantee blake's lynch or NK. This is why scum almost never claim cop, unless it's an end-game scenario. He would be fucking himself.
Well, I see how you can view it as speculation. But when you get down to it, the maybes you raised are not sufficiently strong.
"Want doc protection"?
With 2 protective roles dead? Seriously?
"Wanted to make it sure it would get done"?
If he really were the cop, the right call would have been not claiming and risking the lynch. If the lynch was not going to happen, then he could claim, wait for the town to realize there was no counterclaim, be cleared and then lead the town into switching the votes. That way, he would be making sure it would get done.
"Got excited"?
This one is my favorite.
It's a pretty weak defense and, if I were on your perspective, I'd certainly rather believe Blake is a savvy mafia than a dumb cop (because if our likely only cop is dumb, the town is lost anyway; if blake is mafia, then at least there is hope that our true cop is a cautious guy that has the brains to actually lead the town into winning - cop qualities Blake already showed he hasn't).
About the end-game scenario thing, I'm sure the town/mafia distribution is not 10-2 (it would be pretty unbalanced to the town's side). I'm also sure it isn't 7-5, as the 2 town deaths would have given the mafia 50% of the votes and the win. So it's either 9-3 or 8-4. With 2 townies killed, it drops to either 7-3 or 6-4. It's highly unlikely that there is a third town protective roles, so lynching a townie and having another nightkilled will make it either 5-3 or 4-4. 4-4 is a loss and 5-3 is pretty close to it. Even if distribution is 9-3 (best case scenario), lynching me would lead to a 5-3. Town would then D3 lynch Blake and mafia would N3 kill a townie, leaving it 4-2. I'm not sure what you consider an "end-game scenario", but I can see a great reason for a mafia to claim cop here.
As I already said, I'm hoping you can lynch Blake from that perspective and spare me the duty of roleclaiming, because if I'm forced to do it, BAMM!, we've just given the mafia more knowledge, and you can probably tell that knowledge is power, so we've just given the mafia more power.
Come on, guys, think clearly. We're on the verge of losing the game right here!
"I will be bach..."
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