Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

[sheepofdumb]

Not what I expected Will's role to be. I'm 0 for 2 for calling roles. Not that it mattered because they weren't lynches. I think I'll stop trying to metagame with the flavor because I have no idea what any setup is.

Fixed

Also I will also Vote: Edoc for the same gamebreaking reasons.

*sigh* you are right.

[edocsil]

First off, I have no idea what WC means so I really cant make a case for my defense. And Fir, What game breaking reasons am I being voted for? I have no idea what is going on.....

[edocsil]

Oh, gotcha, he did quote it verbatim, as you can tell by the Win Conditions. Sorry boys, haven't looked at for a few weeks, seeing as can remember who I am. I am disapointed you jumped on that, there isn't any reason I should remember the exact wording. I didn't think to compare safari's to mine because I knew if it was bad he would be modkilled anyways, so what was the point?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

oh wow, gone for 2 days and come back to a modkill. I think enough damage has been done.

vote no lynch

I don't really see the supposed case on edoc being all that valid. I usually only read the role pm once.

-Tails

[sheepofdumb]

Tails, there's more to the Edoc case than that. All the work against him was ignored for safari.
This is the copy pasta for the bulk of Edoc's case.

Anyhow, I am going to pick my favorite case right now and try to go with it. I find edocsil to be the scummiest right now. They I see it, the first he he does is use nagerous vote on shield to attack him under the guise of defending the new player. For a while he goes on with this, making posts defending shield and explaining things to him to maintain credibility for his vote on nagerous. However, shield does not improve and the tide shifts, people pres edocsil for his stance against nag and defense of shield. He responds with this.

Now, this last part was something different. Saf, I wasn't suggesting no lynch - I'd rather wanted to pressure Nag (and still do), but if shield continues on this path, he will not last long.

Certainly not. one more slip up on his part and I'm going to do a 180.

Once more people start to turn against shield edocsil sets up this post as a way for him to transition to the popular side. Shortly afterwords he joins the tide of votes on shield with this post, justifying his actions and reconcile them with his prior arguments by citing timing as why it is right to do so now, be was wrong to do so earlier.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

Later when called on his actions.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

Now after safariguy suggests having a no lynch for the day TAILGUNN3R and Streaker post stating this action has caused them to become suspicious of safariguy. Edocsil wastes no time turning this suspicion into a no contest case to lynch safaiguy on the spot. So once again he jumps onto what he sees as the popular side. While he was the first vote, in my opinion he is simply following the sentiment that he saw from the two prior posters and trying to fit into that crowd.

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL.

Then he tries to justify his move by coming up with points against safariguy.
So anyway, I suck at making cases and there isn't a ton of stuff to go off of today but edocsil gets my vote. Vote edocsil.

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL. Here is one of his posts

Well bottom line is that we now know that we have a SKer of some sort. I'd guess third party, but that's not set in stone. It's still a useful death.

Joker could easily be mafia, to be honest. Also, the only way I could see this as a useful death is that we'll lose a troll, but a cop generally is a big loss.

True, but remember this was a daykill. Give mafia a daykill+ a nightkill would be really powerful in a 11 person game. And him not being town-aligned makes me wonder what incentive he had to clear any players or accuse them.

In all honesty I agree with him, that being said He is trying to draw attention away from the mafia and onto a SK.

If we are going to assume that Joker is a third party SK then you can't draw attention away from a mafia that hasn't done anything. Both factions (if they are separate) are dangerous to the town. The sooner both of die the sooner the town is safe.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

Edoc saying that because he knew shield wasn't his scummate he could defend him made me suspicious. I was even more suspicious when Edoc washed his hands of shield and then proclaimed his innocence with this post:

(Shield dies)

Yeah, that is likely the best thing that could have happened, I would have been in a tight spot otherwise.

Edoc has shown signs of bandwagoning. He waits until it is safe and jumps on people who take riskier moves.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

He already had a red flag in my book so I'm going to bump it up to a unvote vote edoc.

[edocsil]

Seems we beat this one to death already. You say I bandwagon, I say I am the first to vote. There is the weak thing with the win condition. And then there is me defending a rookie that I thought nag was seriously trying to hang, and then turning on him when he showed he had obviously zero desire to actually play. (Serious about that, he tried to sign up for my Firefly mafia and I told him to f*ck off, he is blacklisted)

[nagerous]

Meh, at least safari's death illustrates that there is no connection between me and him that people were attempting to fabricate so I don't get taken out by any over-zealous vigilantes in the night phase..

At the moment, we're silently heading towards a no lynch, pretty disappointing day 1 so far with the two deaths. I think we should discuss more otherwise we will lose more people at night and then another joker kill day 2 we can be really in trouble.

[VioIet]

I am not feeling the case on Edoc at all. If i were to vote anyone right now, it would be sheep, but as I said before, that would be getting us nowhere.

So...I think I'm with Tails on this one. I think on Day 2, we might better understand what type of setup this is.

Vote No Lynch

[spiesr]

At the moment, we're silently heading towards a no lynch, pretty disappointing day 1 so far with the two deaths. I think we should discuss more otherwise we will lose more people at night and then another joker kill day 2 we can be really in trouble.

Personally I still find edocsil to be the scummiest. I have had more vote on him since before the bandwagon on safariguy and the comment he made about the win condition, while maybe not solid enough to convict on its own, certainly didn't help his appearance to me. Sheep recently quoted what we have for a case against him, and while it isn't the best case in the world, I still find it to be the best lead we have going at this point.

[Fircoal]

Did no one even read what I said earlier? No matter how you slice it voting no lynch is SCUMMY at best, and STUPID at worst. Safari has given us another chance to get a lynch though with his actions. We shouldn't waste it. It's the TOWN'S POWER.

[Commander9]

Okay, I'll hopefully have enough time tonight to start reading and I'd like to post some thoughts.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Ugh. In retrospect I've read the case on edoc, and at one point I was in agreement (maybe am still?) but I just hate the thought of losing 3 non-scum roles in one day. That's a serious dent in an 11 player game.

-Tails

[nagerous]

Ugh. In retrospect I've read the case on edoc, and at one point I was in agreement (maybe am still?) but I just hate the thought of losing 3 non-scum roles in one day. That's a serious dent in an 11 player game.

-Tails

Why are you implying he is non-scum? Unless you are privy to information the rest of the town don't know??

[TA1LGUNN3R]

No, I'm just not 100% on it. Can you for certain say he is scum? What role?

-Tails

[nagerous]

No, I'm just not 100% on it. Can you for certain say he is scum? What role?

-Tails

He has seemed pretty scummy to me, pressuring him won't hurt.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

okay well he's L-1 right now. He's already defended himself. I suppose the traditional claim is in order.

-Tails

[nagerous]

Where did you get L-1 from? It takes 6 to lynch, by my count he is L-3.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think it's 4...sheep, spiesr, nag, and fircoal. I counted sheep twice the first time.

vote edoc

-Tails

[edocsil]

Great, I see where this is going. You can't hang me, Who am I?

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

edoc - 5 (Sheep, spiesr, nag, chu, TG)
No Lynch - 1 (Vio)

With 9 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day will end at 11:59 pm EST (GMT-4) on April 18th.

[nagerous]

Great, I see where this is going. You can't hang me, Who am I?

How about you tell us.. though I'm going to guess the twin guy from the prestige?

[nagerous]

Perhaps I should've put that in spoiler tags.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

edoc - 6 (Sheep, spiesr, nag, chu, TG, ???)
No Lynch - 1 (Vio)

With 9 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Edocsil has been lynched. Scene later.

[edocsil]

How bought not.

Damn secret voters.

[nagerous]

Oh what the hell?