[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[firth4eva]

OK, I'm here but I hadn't realsied we'd started yet. vote victor for trying to make safari out to be mafia because he read the scene. fos anyone voting safari.

Sorry for the delay as well

I reread this after posting and would just like to clarify, safari picknig that out of the scene shows him to be more not-cult than anything and the fact that victor tried to use the fact that safari was the only one actually doing anything other than random voting as a scumtell is a pretty big scumtell on Victor's part. The bandwagonners too. I'm probably more suspiscious of them but there's so many voting one of them is more likely to be town so I'll stay on VS

[jonty125]

unvote Vote: safariguy5, seems to be trying to make us believe what he wants us to.

What? How am I trying to influence anything? I'm just debating with Yoshi whether or not roleclaiming under pressure is a good idea or not. We haven't had a VC in a while so I'm not sure what position vote yours is, but I'm pretty sure it's the 5th one, which would be some pretty blatant bandwagonning with a reason that I don't think has any evidence or relevance.

I aren't bandwagonning this time, I admit my last vote was. It has evidence Post #5 be suggesting either a) you are physic (i.e can read people minds not in-game role) b) extremely paranoid c) bluffing and leading us on a wild duck and goose chase. And the relevance related to point c) as you may want us killing our own townies to make your job easier.

[shieldgenerator7]

I aren't bandwagonning this time,

poor spelling. Should be "I am not" or "I'm not". Proper uses for "aren't": "You aren't", "they aren't", "We aren't" - Yes!
"he aren't", "I aren't" - No!
careless typing may seem scummy, but the main thing is that it's not a common mistake. Just be careful when you type

[Rodion]

This is my 2nd mafia game (the other one being Terminator mafia, also on day 1), so I want to hear what some experienced people have to say before I propose my solution to a possible problem I'm seeing.

Safari, can you please use your mafia experience to elaborate on what this third party can and cannot be?

Also, do you (or anyone else) think that pancakemix's erratic behavior is indicative of a 3rd-party jester role?

[jonty125]

I aren't bandwagonning this time,

poor spelling. Should be "I am not" or "I'm not". Proper uses for "aren't": "You aren't", "they aren't", "We aren't" - Yes!
"he aren't", "I aren't" - No!
careless typing may seem scummy, but the main thing is that it's not a common mistake. Just be careful when you type

I believe this would be listed as a grammar error not as a spelling error

[safariguy5]

unvote Vote: safariguy5, seems to be trying to make us believe what he wants us to.

What? How am I trying to influence anything? I'm just debating with Yoshi whether or not roleclaiming under pressure is a good idea or not. We haven't had a VC in a while so I'm not sure what position vote yours is, but I'm pretty sure it's the 5th one, which would be some pretty blatant bandwagonning with a reason that I don't think has any evidence or relevance.

I aren't bandwagonning this time, I admit my last vote was. It has evidence Post #5 be suggesting either a) you are physic (i.e can read people minds not in-game role) b) extremely paranoid c) bluffing and leading us on a wild duck and goose chase. And the relevance related to point c) as you may want us killing our own townies to make your job easier.

There's a difference between killing townies and lynching people. Doing a blind no lynch day 1 only helps mafia. If we sit around and wait for the cop to start naming scum, mafia are just gonna pick us off 1 night at a time. Generally, we risk lynching a town member because we want information on voting patterns, faulty logic, poor reasoning, bandwagonning, lurking, and at the end, a roleclaim. Let me spell it out for you with an example.

Let's say we pressure person A. At L-2 or L-1, he claims a role, say SirSebstar. If someone else comes in and say "wait a minute, I'm SirSebstar!', then we know one of these two is lying. Therefore we got mafia. If we don't lynch one of them right away, the cop can investigate one of them and then we can lynch the other one.

And I'm not being paranoid or bluffing. If I remember correctly, my only serious vote has been on firth because he was inactive. Now that he's back, I can unvote. Does nobody else really think that a third party cult is not possible? I'm not asking you to accept that there is one, I'm saying that the day scene + number of players hints to the possibility of being one. This game, being official, was checked for balance, so I know it's a distinct possibility that with 20+ players, a cult is possible. Show me where I accused anyone of being cult? I just said that it's possible there is one based on the day scene.

This is my 2nd mafia game (the other one being Terminator mafia, also on day 1), so I want to hear what some experienced people have to say before I propose my solution to a possible problem I'm seeing.

Safari, can you please use your mafia experience to elaborate on what this third party can and cannot be?

Also, do you (or anyone else) think that pancakemix's erratic behavior is indicative of a 3rd-party jester role?

In terms of what third party is, there is a distinction between cult and third party. Third party is more general than cult. Third party players can be serial killers (kill someone at night, wins if last person standing), survivors (wins if alive at then end of the game) or something else, but those two are the most common.

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven. If the target is mafia, one of two things can happen. Either the recruiter is killed or the recruitment fails. Once recruited, depending on the mod, the former town player may lose his abilities or keep them. The goal of the cult is to be the last group standing, or outnumber town if mafia is gone (can depend on the game). If the recruiter is killed, generally the cult cannot recruit anymore. Some games have the recruiting ability pass on to the oldest surviving cultists. Investigations can come up as either guilty or innocent depending on the mod.

[firth4eva]

On another note King Achilles has gone missing, nobody knows of his whereabouts, but as the support admin, were going to need him to defeat Andy and the rest of TeamCC.

We need also to pay attention to this. Anyone have any idea what this means?(unless of course revealing it would be anti-town).

I'd say pancakemix is not jester, merely messing around on day 1.

[safariguy5]

On another note King Achilles has gone missing, nobody knows of his whereabouts, but as the support admin, were going to need him to defeat Andy and the rest of TeamCC.

We need also to pay attention to this. Anyone have any idea what this means?(unless of course revealing it would be anti-town).

I'd say pancakemix is not jester, merely messing around on day 1.

I agree, jester would be unlikely, it's an annoying role anyways.

[DoomYoshi]

@saf, I agree that there is a good chance there is a 3rd-Party. The suspicious part is that you pointed it out. Not that it's illogical.

[jonty125]

Ok safari you seem to know what your doing unvote vote: no lynch

I am planning to vote but am going to re-read this thread for the 5th time in the morning and see if there is anything we've missed out.

[safariguy5]

@saf, I agree that there is a good chance there is a 3rd-Party. The suspicious part is that you pointed it out. Not that it's illogical.

So, was I supposed to just not say anything? It's Day 1, and I didn't want to just write some irrelevant bs. That's like Sherlock Holmes noticing a window lock that's been forced open and not mentioning it to Watson.

[shieldgenerator7]

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven.

so either you've had experience with this kind of thing or you're the cult recruiter or busdriver.

[safariguy5]

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven.

so either you've had experience with this kind of thing or you're the cult recruiter or busdriver.

I've got over 35 games experience over 2+ years man, I've seen enough games and played enough games to know. Also, checking the mafia wiki @ mafiascum.net is helpful too.

[Hank44Soccer]

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven.

so either you've had experience with this kind of thing or you're the cult recruiter or busdriver.

I've got over 35 games experience over 2+ years man, I've seen enough games and played enough games to know. Also, checking the mafia wiki @ mafiascum.net is helpful too.

I hope none of youare mafia otherwise something's gonnago down to night!!!!!

[safariguy5]

Cult, on the other hand, is considered a third party faction. Usually starts with 1 cult recruiter, may have 1 or two cult goons with some ability (roleblock, vote steal, etc.). Each night, the cult recruiter may attempt to recruit someone. If the target is town, the target is usually recruited unless something happens like the recruiter is roleblocked or the target is busdriven.

so either you've had experience with this kind of thing or you're the cult recruiter or busdriver.

I've got over 35 games experience over 2+ years man, I've seen enough games and played enough games to know. Also, checking the mafia wiki @ mafiascum.net is helpful too.

I hope none of youare mafia otherwise something's gonnago down to night!!!!!

No, I'm not the cult recruiter, bus driver, or mafia for the record.

[Metsfanmax]

@saf, I agree that there is a good chance there is a 3rd-Party. The suspicious part is that you pointed it out. Not that it's illogical.

So, was I supposed to just not say anything? It's Day 1, and I didn't want to just write some irrelevant bs. That's like Sherlock Holmes noticing a window lock that's been forced open and not mentioning it to Watson.

Ok, but the text didn't say anything about there being a recruiter, it just implied the hint of some sort of third party. Yet you jumped to the conclusion of recruiter immediately.

[jimfinn]

Cult inherently implies recruiter, Metsfan, and he was listing as one possibility, not the definitive answer. Perhaps he also has some PR whose Role PM specifies anti-cult or something. It's not that suspect in my book. Setup specualtion is only suspicious when it avoids real discussion.

As for the players who've played a lot on here, what's the going meta with regard to cop, doc, vig, etc? One of each per game, or are no cop games common? Things like that do actually help at least some, especially for those unfamiliar with this site's version of mafia but experienced elsewhere.

[Hank44Soccer]

Cult inherently implies recruiter, Metsfan, and he was listing as one possibility, not the definitive answer. Perhaps he also has some PR whose Role PM specifies anti-cult or something. It's not that suspect in my book. Setup specualtion is only suspicious when it avoids real discussion.

As for the players who've played a lot on here, what's the going meta with regard to cop, doc, vig, etc? One of each per game, or are no cop games common? Things like that do actually help at least some, especially for those unfamiliar with this site's version of mafia but experienced elsewhere.

yahh starting to doubt him FOS METSFANMIX

[Metsfanmax]

Cult inherently implies recruiter, Metsfan, and he was listing as one possibility, not the definitive answer. Perhaps he also has some PR whose Role PM specifies anti-cult or something. It's not that suspect in my book. Setup specualtion is only suspicious when it avoids real discussion.

Look, I'm not a mafia regular, I just didn't see the logical connection between there being a third party, and this third party having a recruiter. I'm not voting safariguy, I'm just pointing out why I didn't object to the initial suspicion about the post.

[safariguy5]

Cult inherently implies recruiter, Metsfan, and he was listing as one possibility, not the definitive answer. Perhaps he also has some PR whose Role PM specifies anti-cult or something. It's not that suspect in my book. Setup specualtion is only suspicious when it avoids real discussion.

As for the players who've played a lot on here, what's the going meta with regard to cop, doc, vig, etc? One of each per game, or are no cop games common? Things like that do actually help at least some, especially for those unfamiliar with this site's version of mafia but experienced elsewhere.

In a large game, I've generally seen up to 2 cop and doc roles, or 3 or 4 less powerful protective or investigative roles (watcher, tracker, bodyguard, jailkeeper, etc.) I've not seen a no cop game unless it was really small. Bus drivers and lovers are particularly popular on this site (though this is a newer mod, small game modded sample size, I can't draw conclusions yet).

[Streaker]

Unvote

Let's talk about hank, shall we? ZING!

vote: rodion as his avatar could be the mafia

What the heck is wrong with you people at this rate we'll never get anywhere I feel sorry for you Saxlad I mean imagine if this mafia is a failure then we'll never have any more official mafia games! great

So here we have him pointing out jonty for wasting towns time (while kinda still in joke vote fase).
Seeing how he wants to get things moving, I expected a case of him on someone.

well it's about time you get serious

Again, expecting him to get onto a case if he's that serious about getting serious.

unvote vote: Metsfanmix; jumping on the band wagon.

WAY TO MAN UP!!!!!

hey watch it Im fluent in sarcasm

Sorry I was gone. WOW I missed alot.

Unvote Vote metsfanmax
To make Safari happy

SUBSTANCE: Why on earth would you vote for the mod! are you insane I don't care if it's a joke. As my buddy Antoin Dodson would say "Wow you are really dumb, fo real!" Kudos to anyone who gets the refrence and seriously man up and vote for someone who a vote towards them would actually matter Like Safariguy5 for instance Geez Louis you are insane

See Jonty I already voted

hey watch it Im fluent in sarcasm

I'm so sure.

I like you're avitar

Cult inherently implies recruiter, Metsfan, and he was listing as one possibility, not the definitive answer. Perhaps he also has some PR whose Role PM specifies anti-cult or something. It's not that suspect in my book. Setup specualtion is only suspicious when it avoids real discussion.

As for the players who've played a lot on here, what's the going meta with regard to cop, doc, vig, etc? One of each per game, or are no cop games common? Things like that do actually help at least some, especially for those unfamiliar with this site's version of mafia but experienced elsewhere.

yahh starting to doubt him FOS METSFANMIX

That's one way to get the game going right there. Demanding to start hunting, pointing a player out on a joke vote (ZING!) only to post like 6 or 7 completely meaningless posts straight after. You gotta know what you want, dude. Either you stay in joke vote fase, or you get serious. But don't call people out on joking around when you won't contribute anything yourself. ZING!

Vote hank

[DoomYoshi]

Streaker, you have me convinced. To be honest, I had stopped believing the arguments for saf a while ago. I was just staying on him so he would reclaim, which is what he suggested I do . Just stop with the ZING please. Or at least be more careful where you aim that thing.

unvote vote hank

[DoomYoshi]

Streaker, you have me convinced. To be honest, I had stopped believing the arguments for saf a while ago. I was just staying on him so he would roleclaim, which is what he suggested I do . Just stop with the ZING please. Or at least be more careful where you aim that thing.

unvote vote hank

EBWOP. It's 0500 here.

[jonty125]

No idea who to vote; as if I vote hank which there does appear evidence for, I will get voted for bandwaggoning; so I'm going to keep quiet and chip in when I'm needed.

[Streaker]

No idea who to vote; as if I vote hank which there does appear evidence for, I will get voted for bandwaggoning; so I'm going to keep quiet and chip in when I'm needed.

Then you'll get voted for scummarining. ZING!
Just reread the game, find someone you find scummy and try to support your vote with evidence. Just like that ! ZING!

Eventually we will need a wagon, otherwise a lynch is impossible.