POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[strike wolf]

Well if davey jones is an sk which if the night scene is any indication and edoc is telling the truth about the size of the mafia, I don't think we can afford his own full mafia, anyways I don't think an sk can afford to let a mafia member live (mafia is much more dangerous to an sk than most townies [cop and vig possible exceptions]). So there is the possibility of another cross kill. However whether we can actually count on this happening is another story...

[safariguy5]

Announcement

Haggis asked for a replacement, and has been replaced by ga7. I will count the votes on Haggis as votes on ga7.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

edocsil(4)- Falkomagno, streaker, Mass Miracle, sheep
Mandy(1)- Com9
Com9(1)- freezie
streaker(3)- tails, Vio, Sax
Saxlad(1)- /
ga7(6)- edoc, mandy, gt, strike, victor, nag

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in 3 days.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

lol well I think ga7 is gonna get screwed then. I don't really have much to say on the matter regarding edoc and his claim. Frankly, I don't like it. It kinda defeats the purpose of trying to play and hunt for scum if we can just get them handed to us by a traitor. But that's just my opinion, I guess.

-Tails

[edocsil]

lol well I think ga7 is gonna get screwed then. I don't really have much to say on the matter regarding edoc and his claim. Frankly, I don't like it. It kinda defeats the purpose of trying to play and hunt for scum if we can just get them handed to us by a traitor. But that's just my opinion, I guess.

-Tails

Don't worry, there will be a whole other factions to hunt down and kill. This also assumes that they dont just have a busdrive do keep me from getting protected.

[freezie]

Edoc's claim is...unusual. But I kinda buy it for now. Props to mandy for stealing my idea of giving a second name to test edoc's claim.

But...Like pancake said..I feel we are running into a trap. IF Davy Jones has his own cult ( Edoc hasn't said anything about Jones beeing a SK, he always refer to ''another faction'' which is what makes me suspicious of Him..) then while we lynch all scums, Jones will have the game offered to him on a silver platter. IF he is an SK..then his chances of winning just got tripled at worst.

But, I'll have to go with the others, Vote: hagga7 testing Edoc's claim.

[strike wolf]

IF there was 5 mafia in one faction, then I don't think the game mechanics fit for a whole nother faction and davy jones having a kill outside of the mafia would make me think that he's an sk not a recruiter. At the very least I hope he's not a recruiter. Honestly I'm not a big fan of cults...

[strike wolf]

Somewhere in that last post there was supposed to be a requesr for edoc to explain the 'second faction" comments.

[pancakemix]

Honestly, I feel like Davy Jones could do both (or either). Remember, in the films there is an option to join Jones' crew or to die. I could definitely see the mechanic working that way, and if it does it makes Jones that much more of a priority than the mafia. A very frightening priority indeed.

[Commander9]

In case you have not seen the announcement, I'm going to be rather inactive for this week.

Putting aside my suspicions for now...scum will definitely look to kill edoc tonight, he is by far their biggest threat - in that vein for the next night phase at least he should be protected.

Streaker should be vig killed.

unvote vote haggis

QFT.

I don't really trust Edoc as of now, but it looks like our best avenue.

Unvote. Vote ga7.

Honestly, I feel like Davy Jones could do both (or either). Remember, in the films there is an option to join Jones' crew or to die. I could definitely see the mechanic working that way, and if it does it makes Jones that much more of a priority than the mafia. A very frightening priority indeed.

Agreed with this.

[Falkomagno]

Well, is actually fair statement, Basically we are changing a Town traitor, for a Scum traitor. Edoc claim is like he is part of the scum, since he's been giving all the information about them, but instead working with them playing townish he opted to reveals everything and betray them.

My main concern is that it can be an orchestrated move between mandy and Edoc (and even tonka) to easily get town hang people that they pointed out, in this case haggis (and streaker). I'm concern about that possibility because edoc easily accept to give a second name, and because it was not that much pressure on him to make that crucial claim (if he is right and saying the truth, he will be killed by mafia ASAP, and if he's not, tomowwor we will hang him for sure) , when at the moment there was people still undecided between him and (oh what a coincidence) mandy, with just 4 votes each, which is not a tragedy been 4 days to the deadline and some suspicious about streaker had been raised.

But maybe I'm just over-analyzing.

Anyway, killing haggis seems a not that serious mistake, but i'm wonder if is not safer to kill Streaker., giving ho easily Edoc accept to gave a second name.

Objectively, Streaker has been a better player than haggis so maybe is better to hang hagggis anyway

The post of sax is really scummy, like distancing himself of the list, when for sure edoc, if he's saying the truth, will not reveal all the names.



By the way. I think that davvy jones, (who NKed Mr. S) it's main aim is to kill a specific character, as far as I know for sure.


So, please let ga7 to say something before hammer. i think by now is at L-1, and we have a couple of days

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

edocsil(4)- Falkomagno, streaker, Mass Miracle, sheep
streaker(3)- tails, Vio, Sax
Saxlad(1)- /
ga7(8)- edoc, mandy, gt, strike, victor, nag, freezie, Com9

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in 3 days.

[Streaker]

Nice development over weekend. I don't really know how to respond, as I'm a little surprised by edoc's claim.
As he said, it's a huge gamble. It could easily be true, but on the other hand he probably has another agenda.

Here is a possible scenario:
For all we know, edoc has investigative powers, and got one of the scum with Night 1. Then he made his ploy, well knowing we would not hang the first one he'd name. He calculated he would need a second name, and was fortunate enough to find 1. He said it himself, he wasn't gonna do this until a few days into the game. Maybe because he needed that mafia name?
I'm not very aware of lyncher roles. Would edoc have been a character name to lynch, or rather a player name?

I'm just throwing this out to show that just because edoc gives 2 names, of which 1 could very well be scum, he is not necesarrily telling the truth.

Now, if all I'm saying is true, we should lynch ga7. He most likely IS scum, but there is the chance he is actually the target of edoc. He should claim soon, and hope he isn't a powerfull town role.
As for me, I don't think my role is a great loss. If by my death edocs claim can be proven, I'd be willing to take the hit. With a few days to deadline, I think I will just go forth and claim. It might help us decide, because something doesn't add up to edoc's name claim.


I am Tai Huang, First Mate of Sao Feng. I am a town-alligned Thief. Basicly, I can steal an item from my target, and determine who he is by flavour. So yes, I consider myself a flavour cop. I cannot steal an item from every player however. Chosing a wrong target could have 'bad' results for me.

[TheSaxlad]

Nice development over weekend. I don't really know how to respond, as I'm a little surprised by edoc's claim.
As he said, it's a huge gamble. It could easily be true, but on the other hand he probably has another agenda.

Here is a possible scenario:
For all we know, edoc has investigative powers, and got one of the scum with Night 1. Then he made his ploy, well knowing we would not hang the first one he'd name. He calculated he would need a second name, and was fortunate enough to find 1. He said it himself, he wasn't gonna do this until a few days into the game. Maybe because he needed that mafia name?
I'm not very aware of lyncher roles. Would edoc have been a character name to lynch, or rather a player name?

I'm just throwing this out to show that just because edoc gives 2 names, of which 1 could very well be scum, he is not necesarrily telling the truth.

Now, if all I'm saying is true, we should lynch ga7. He most likely IS scum, but there is the chance he is actually the target of edoc. He should claim soon, and hope he isn't a powerfull town role.
As for me, I don't think my role is a great loss. If by my death edocs claim can be proven, I'd be willing to take the hit. With a few days to deadline, I think I will just go forth and claim. It might help us decide, because something doesn't add up to edoc's name claim.


I am Tai Huang, First Mate of Sao Feng. I am a town-alligned Thief. Basicly, I can steal an item from my target, and determine who he is by flavour. So yes, I consider myself a flavour cop. I cannot steal an item from every player however. Chosing a wrong target could have 'bad' results for me.

It strikes me that as the first mate of Sao Feng your not aligned with him in any way? That seems a little bit unbelievable to me. Why did you claim anyway? There was no need for it, now Davy Jones (if a cult) has his pick of characters, with unshakeable claims, read Albarezzi, if you don't understand.

As for now, Im going to join the Ga7 bandwagon, if only to test out edocs claim, of which I am still skeptical about.

unvote vote ga7

[nagerous]

Nice development over weekend. I don't really know how to respond, as I'm a little surprised by edoc's claim.
As he said, it's a huge gamble. It could easily be true, but on the other hand he probably has another agenda.

Here is a possible scenario:
For all we know, edoc has investigative powers, and got one of the scum with Night 1. Then he made his ploy, well knowing we would not hang the first one he'd name. He calculated he would need a second name, and was fortunate enough to find 1. He said it himself, he wasn't gonna do this until a few days into the game. Maybe because he needed that mafia name?
I'm not very aware of lyncher roles. Would edoc have been a character name to lynch, or rather a player name?

I'm just throwing this out to show that just because edoc gives 2 names, of which 1 could very well be scum, he is not necesarrily telling the truth.

Now, if all I'm saying is true, we should lynch ga7. He most likely IS scum, but there is the chance he is actually the target of edoc. He should claim soon, and hope he isn't a powerfull town role.
As for me, I don't think my role is a great loss. If by my death edocs claim can be proven, I'd be willing to take the hit. With a few days to deadline, I think I will just go forth and claim. It might help us decide, because something doesn't add up to edoc's name claim.


I am Tai Huang, First Mate of Sao Feng. I am a town-alligned Thief. Basicly, I can steal an item from my target, and determine who he is by flavour. So yes, I consider myself a flavour cop. I cannot steal an item from every player however. Chosing a wrong target could have 'bad' results for me.

1) Who did you steal/attempt to steal from last night

2) I think you'd definitely be a test case for the lynch, do you really think edoc could be a lyncher of his first mate, sounds very skewed a role if so.. For now I'm going to unvote vote streaker. He did give away that 2nd name very easily.

[nagerous]

Edocsil, one question I have for you, say when Captain Jack Sparrow dies, you told us you win - what would your role in the game then be? Winning with the mafia as a supplement WC or just nothing and sit back and watch, because if it is the latter you would essentially be a townie with all the information on the mafia no? Seems a bit skewed.. you sure you haven't read your WC wrong?

[mandalorian2298]

Thank you, Freezie, but believe that Tonka the Town Hero came up with the idea first.

I don't trust this. I have no reason to doubt that edoc is telling the truth here. He's been very open about his alignment. That said, I still have some reservations. First of all, edoc is stealing our doc from us, which is kinda one of the most valuable things we have. Second, let me put forward an interesting little scenario of how this agreement might play out (this assumes were 5 mafia initially, there is no active vig and there are no crosskills)

1. D2 3 left
2. N2
3. N2
4. D3 2 left
5. N3
6. N3
7. D4 1 left
8. N4
9. N4 (Jack Sparrow)
10. D5 edoc lies (still 1 left)
11. N5
12. N5
13. D6 lynch edoc (forced, LYLO scenario)
14. N6
15. N6
16. 1 Mafia
17. 1 Town
18. Davy Jones

Again, this doesn't account for a number of possibilities, but it is itself entirely possible. In addition, we have no knowledge of what Jack Sparrow's role is. He could be pretty much anything, and may even be something the town does not want to lose. At this point, the mafia, certainly aren't going to be hunting for him. Once he's dead, though, edoc has no incentive to help us. I say he should give us all the names.

EDIT (because I don't want to rewrite all that): If the quote below is the truth, then we're almost certainly walking into a trap.

The names of 5 scum, how can that be ignored?

If there are 5 scum alive right now, we are boned. If edoc lies at the same point as in the earlier scenario, Mafia get the game handed to them by making a few sacrifices (2 scum+1 pro scum vs. 1 town vs. DJ). I'll unvote for now, but I won't be rash. Edoc, you got some 'splainin to do.

Dude, there is one big hole in your scenario: it assumes that we are going to believe the 5th name Edoc gives us is really scum. Of course it won't be, why would he do that to himself. We get 2 scum for sure if he is telling the truth

lol well I think ga7 is gonna get screwed then. I don't really have much to say on the matter regarding edoc and his claim. Frankly, I don't like it. It kinda defeats the purpose of trying to play and hunt for scum if we can just get them handed to us by a traitor. But that's just my opinion, I guess.

-Tails

Time to be pompous. International Master Josh Waitzkin once said that the difference between amateur's and master's perception of the chess board is often that amateur only sees the calm and stable position that is currently on the board while the master also sees the potential chaos that lurks beneath the surface. Allow me to demonstrate :

TO DOC: If Streaker/Ga7 turns scum, please protect Edoc. No 'ifs', no 'buts', just do it. And here is why...

TO THE MEMEBERS OF EDOC'S MAFIA (you guys probably know him under the name 'that scurvy dog' ):

Hi. Well, this is turning into an interesting game, doesn't it. I know just what you are thinking (aside from 'Die, Edoc, die!'): "Well, we can at least get rid of the Lovers now that Doc is no longer protecting them."

But, ask yourself this: Will that help you win? If anything, killing Falko and his bonny lass guarantees that Edoc will be alive and singing on Day 3. And you can't kill him, since he will be protected by the Doc and you guys really can't afford to waste a NK when there is a threat of complete defeat by Edoc looming over your heads (ok, one of you will survive his treason, but that's not odds that I would like to play with). If only there was something that you could do...and there is! You can kill Jack Sparrow.

"But, Mandy", you might ask, "why are you so kind as to help us in our time of need?" The answer is this: With all the hanging of you guys, Davy Jones, Cult Leader or SK or whatever he is, roams free and unmolested in our midst. If you guys get away from our Lovers, and also exclude each other and Edoc (the Mafia Traitor), then you are left with a narrower list of suspects then the Town Vig has, which makes you (no offense, Vig ) statistically more likely to hit Jones (since you are as likely to hit Jones as you are to hit Jack). Consider yourselves recruited and bad hunting to you.

[mandalorian2298]

Edocsil, one question I have for you, say when Captain Jack Sparrow dies, you told us you win - what would your role in the game then be? Winning with the mafia as a supplement WC or just nothing and sit back and watch, because if it is the latter you would essentially be a townie with all the information on the mafia no? Seems a bit skewed.. you sure you haven't read your WC wrong?

I think that Win endgames him. (Anything else leads to pointless confusion, as we have learned from the Moz case in NJO ).

[nagerous]

Edoc, you know how you said you had never been lynched, you were lynched here! viewtopic.php?f=610&t=117966

[nagerous]

You did replace someone though so I will give you that.

[strike wolf]

Nice development over weekend. I don't really know how to respond, as I'm a little surprised by edoc's claim.
As he said, it's a huge gamble. It could easily be true, but on the other hand he probably has another agenda.

Not to nit pick here but if you are town and not jack sparrow wouldn't his claim in your eyes automatically be false?

Here is a possible scenario:
For all we know, edoc has investigative powers, and got one of the scum with Night 1. Then he made his ploy, well knowing we would not hang the first one he'd name. He calculated he would need a second name, and was fortunate enough to find 1. He said it himself, he wasn't gonna do this until a few days into the game. Maybe because he needed that mafia name?
I'm not very aware of lyncher roles. Would edoc have been a character name to lynch, or rather a player name?

I highly doubt this scenario. To be honest the idea itself seems half-assed. If Edoc was an investigative role, caught you as scum and wanted to say so. I don't think he would pretend to be the traitor to do so because:

1. claiming to know every scum role in the game makes you the biggest target in the game.
2. It's a huge risk claiming any role that is anti-town
3. If he had investigated you than he wouldn't know if haggis was town or mafia or vice versa so he was basically proposing to lynch a possible townie with a claim where a wrong lynch will get him immediately hung if not NKed.

It's a huge enough gambit as it is and I'm skeptical of his intentions. To play the scenario that you are mentioning, would have to have been rushed when thought out and he had plenty of time to come up with this.

I'm just throwing this out to show that just because edoc gives 2 names, of which 1 could very well be scum, he is not necesarrily telling the truth.

Now, if all I'm saying is true, we should lynch ga7. He most likely IS scum, but there is the chance he is actually the target of edoc. He should claim soon, and hope he isn't a powerfull town role.
As for me, I don't think my role is a great loss. If by my death edocs claim can be proven, I'd be willing to take the hit. With a few days to deadline, I think I will just go forth and claim. It might help us decide, because something doesn't add up to edoc's name claim.


I am Tai Huang, First Mate of Sao Feng. I am a town-alligned Thief. Basicly, I can steal an item from my target, and determine who he is by flavour. So yes, I consider myself a flavour cop. I cannot steal an item from every player however. Chosing a wrong target could have 'bad' results for me.

As far as your claim, I believe this is a small role in the movie however it's not the only small role out there. Other than that I'm not familiar with how a thief works...I had thought it took the person's powers and left them unable to perform their night actions (for a night maybe the game...) but admittedly I read that from a site outside of CC...

[edocsil]

Edoc, you know how you said you had never been lynched, you were lynched here! viewtopic.php?f=610&t=117966

I was hung the same day I replaced, so I haven't counted. Been hung since.

Edocsil, one question I have for you, say when Captain Jack Sparrow dies, you told us you win - what would your role in the game then be? Winning with the mafia as a supplement WC or just nothing and sit back and watch, because if it is the latter you would essentially be a townie with all the information on the mafia no? Seems a bit skewed.. you sure you haven't read your WC wrong?

I think that Win endgames him. (Anything else leads to pointless confusion, as we have learned from the Moz case in NJO ).

If it doesn't I would suggest Nk me after I win. Just to be safe on your part, and there is no real reason to trust me once business is over.

[edocsil]

Somewhere in that last post there was supposed to be a requesr for edoc to explain the 'second faction" comments.

If I were to make this game I would make Jones night ability recruit Town and kill scum. He could be just a SK, perhaps we will get more flavor info from the scenes. His recruitment line in the movies was "Do you fear death?" And seeing as that line was in the Scene I think it is a possibility.

[freezie]

Nice development over weekend. I don't really know how to respond, as I'm a little surprised by edoc's claim.
As he said, it's a huge gamble. It could easily be true, but on the other hand he probably has another agenda.

Here is a possible scenario:
For all we know, edoc has investigative powers, and got one of the scum with Night 1. Then he made his ploy, well knowing we would not hang the first one he'd name. He calculated he would need a second name, and was fortunate enough to find 1. He said it himself, he wasn't gonna do this until a few days into the game. Maybe because he needed that mafia name?
I'm not very aware of lyncher roles. Would edoc have been a character name to lynch, or rather a player name?

I'm just throwing this out to show that just because edoc gives 2 names, of which 1 could very well be scum, he is not necesarrily telling the truth.

Now, if all I'm saying is true, we should lynch ga7. He most likely IS scum, but there is the chance he is actually the target of edoc. He should claim soon, and hope he isn't a powerfull town role.
As for me, I don't think my role is a great loss. If by my death edocs claim can be proven, I'd be willing to take the hit. With a few days to deadline, I think I will just go forth and claim. It might help us decide, because something doesn't add up to edoc's name claim.


I am Tai Huang, First Mate of Sao Feng. I am a town-alligned Thief. Basicly, I can steal an item from my target, and determine who he is by flavour. So yes, I consider myself a flavour cop. I cannot steal an item from every player however. Chosing a wrong target could have 'bad' results for me.

Sorry..but...Bullshit. You're edoc's first mate, and edoc clearly said he's a traitor ( AkA scum ) So..theorically..you're scum aswell. Either your fake claim was poor choosing, or you said your real role in an attempt to confuse the town with Edoc's crew. I call bullshit in any case and, to me, you just gave a whole new reason to beleive Edoc right here. Not to mention the fact you were quick to claim...

[edocsil]

Sorry..but...Bullshit. You're edoc's first mate, and edoc clearly said he's a traitor ( AkA scum ) So..theorically..you're scum aswell. Either your fake claim was poor choosing, or you said your real role in an attempt to confuse the town with Edoc's crew. I call bullshit in any case and, to me, you just gave a whole new reason to beleive Edoc right here. Not to mention the fact you were quick to claim...

Yeah, he is many things, but my first mate he is not. I am the only member of the scum that isn't EITC according to my role PM