Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

[Commander9]

Tell me, if you were a vig who would you kill? There is a vig out there I can only assume (batman for god's sake) and I would much rather he had a target then not.

To be fair, I'd probably not target anyone on Day (I don't think it's a good idea), but if I would be forced to, I would target nag.

[edocsil]

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL. Here is one of his posts

Well bottom line is that we now know that we have a SKer of some sort. I'd guess third party, but that's not set in stone. It's still a useful death.

Joker could easily be mafia, to be honest. Also, the only way I could see this as a useful death is that we'll lose a troll, but a cop generally is a big loss.

True, but remember this was a daykill. Give mafia a daykill+ a nightkill would be really powerful in a 11 person game. And him not being town-aligned makes me wonder what incentive he had to clear any players or accuse them.

In all honesty I agree with him, that being said He is trying to draw attention away from the mafia and onto a SK.

And then there is this,

Point number 2, My FOS of Nag IS valid, it is scummy to try to jump on an easy lynch like that so quickly, as most rookies, no matter their alignment make the same mistake. After he continued to do the same crap for several pages, fairly blatantly trolling then IMO it was acceptable to hang him for it. Score: Edoc: 2, TG: 0

How was that an easy lynch? I cast the first vote (joke then turned into serious), and nag was the second vote. Third and fourth are generally the bandwagonning ones, so I think you're trying to misinterpret the vote position here and subtly push for nag to get hanged.

vote edocsil

He ignores my argument, we all know full well that lynching rookies, the absent and the like are "easier" to lynch the a experienced player. He then goes on to rationalize his own vote on the wagon while redirecting the attention elsewhere, followed a defense of Nag, another player I have my eye on. Lynching Safari would also potentially give info on Nag's alignment.

[Commander9]

@ Edoc

I do agree that Saf has been somewhat scummy, but I'm not completely sure whether he has been scummy enough. As I've said, I'm fully happy with no lynch, but if all of you prefer to pressure Safari or Nag, I'm okay with that as well. I also think that a lot of my sentiments come out from Sax's mafia and I'd hate to repeat that mass claim Day 1 stuff - if there would be a deadline, I probably would be prefer to pressure another person (2 max), but with there seeming no end to this day, I would really hate to pressure Saf, since then if he'd claim a believable role, we'd move to nag/me/you and etc.

[safariguy5]

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL. Here is one of his posts

Well bottom line is that we now know that we have a SKer of some sort. I'd guess third party, but that's not set in stone. It's still a useful death.

Joker could easily be mafia, to be honest. Also, the only way I could see this as a useful death is that we'll lose a troll, but a cop generally is a big loss.

True, but remember this was a daykill. Give mafia a daykill+ a nightkill would be really powerful in a 11 person game. And him not being town-aligned makes me wonder what incentive he had to clear any players or accuse them.

In all honesty I agree with him, that being said He is trying to draw attention away from the mafia and onto a SK.

And then there is this,

Point number 2, My FOS of Nag IS valid, it is scummy to try to jump on an easy lynch like that so quickly, as most rookies, no matter their alignment make the same mistake. After he continued to do the same crap for several pages, fairly blatantly trolling then IMO it was acceptable to hang him for it. Score: Edoc: 2, TG: 0

How was that an easy lynch? I cast the first vote (joke then turned into serious), and nag was the second vote. Third and fourth are generally the bandwagonning ones, so I think you're trying to misinterpret the vote position here and subtly push for nag to get hanged.

vote edocsil

He ignores my argument, we all know full well that lynching rookies, the absent and the like are "easier" to lynch the a experienced player. He then goes on to rationalize his own vote on the wagon while redirecting the attention elsewhere, followed a defense of Nag, another player I have my eye on. Lynching Safari would also potentially give info on Nag's alignment.

I don't deny that rookies are easier to lynch, but I think that the position that he jumped on the wagon didn't seem like he was trying to rush a lynch. And there was nothing wrong with my vote on the wagon either. The first vote was a joke, which turned into a real one after some questionable behavior. If nag had been a later vote on the wagon, and it appeared as if he was rushing the wagon, then definitely I think he would have been acting scummy. However, it appeared to me that neither of those things were happening, so I fail to see how that was a scummy move by nag. Different contexts here.

[Fircoal]

See POTC Mafia and you'll see why this isn't exactly the smartest decision.

I've still not re-read this, but this is a major falacy and you earn a major FoS - just because you were townie there and scummarined, doesn't mean it's the same here.

Not what I was implying. I was trying to say that just because I'm scummarining doesn't mean that I'm scum. I'm just lazy. Seriosuly I really need to read this >w>

[nagerous]

Tell me, if you were a vig who would you kill? There is a vig out there I can only assume (batman for god's sake) and I would much rather he had a target then not.

To be fair, I'd probably not target anyone on Day (I don't think it's a good idea), but if I would be forced to, I would target nag.

And that would be fucking dumb. If a vig randomly kills me. This is why my vote is on you and will stay on you until further notice. If by chance I die at night, town should lynch you

[Commander9]

And that would be fucking dumb. If a vig randomly kills me. This is why my vote is on you and will stay on you until further notice. If by chance I die at night, town should lynch you

FoS Nag.

Either you're not pro-town or you're just asking for problems. Furthermore, you can't even FUCKING (well, since you used the word, a man can only do so much to resist this obviously sophisticated usage of language) read a 1 liner where I say that I wouldn't kill anyone

[sheepofdumb]

And that would be fucking dumb. If a vig randomly kills me. This is why my vote is on you and will stay on you until further notice. If by chance I die at night, town should lynch you

FoS Nag.

Either you're not pro-town or you're just asking for problems. Furthermore, you can't even FUCKING (well, since you used the word, a man can only do so much to resist this obviously sophisticated usage of language) read a 1 liner where I say that I wouldn't kill anyone

Gentlemen. Language.

Commander you said you would kill nag. Even though you said you wouldn't shoot your sights are laid squarely on nags head.

That being said FOS both of you. This argument is so trivial it looks like scum mates trying to showcase a divide.

[Commander9]

Gentlemen. Language.

Commander you said you would kill nag. Even though you said you wouldn't shoot your sights are laid squarely on nags head.

That being said FOS both of you. This argument is so trivial it looks like scum mates trying to showcase a divide.

Doesn't anyone read posts anymore and just skims?

[Fircoal]

Gentlemen. Language.

Commander you said you would kill nag. Even though you said you wouldn't shoot your sights are laid squarely on nags head.

That being said FOS both of you. This argument is so trivial it looks like scum mates trying to showcase a divide.

Doesn't anyone read posts anymore and just skims?

Really guys I didn't have to spend more than a minute on those posts to tell you, you guys missed some stuff. Considering I know what's going on with Naggy I can excuse him, but as for Sheep I can nawt. READ THE POST.

[nagerous]

Yeah I wrote that in the A+E waiting room after falling on my head on pavement, after flipping over a fence.

[nagerous]

oh and it's 5am now and I have an important piece of work to hand it in before 2pm tomorrow. Not making excuses or anything

[Commander9]

Sorry to hear that Nag - hope you're alright. I also most definitely hope you didn't hurt your brain too much - we don't need another herk

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Chu - 1 (Sheep)
Comm - 1 (Nag)
Nag - 1 (Chu)
No Lynch - 1 (saf)
spiesr - 1 (Streaker)
Safari - 1 (edoc)

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Activity's been a bit sluggish, but it picked up today so I'll give you a pass. Keep in mind that I will put in a deadline in place if activity is slow.

@nag: Don't go getting killed on me. And don't get no drain bamage neither. Srsly though, take care of yourself.

[VioIet]

Sheep has been playing very well all game so far. He's been helpful, good at explaining things, and seems pro-town.

However, as I was reading the through the thread again, some of his post jumped out at me. I think they are a distraction ploy. For one thing, he has been pointing out the inactives.

Also, FOS Violet. I haven't seen a single post from you since you confirmed.

Anyone else notice fircoal submarining? No posts in 5 days. That's 8 pages and the only time we talk about him is his vote on nag at the beginning of the game.

Vote Fircoal. He hasn't posted all week.

I feel like sheep is trying to pose a distraction here. He mentions Fircoal, not once, but twice. It is nice to mention when someone hasn’t posted in awhile to place some pressure on them. I often do this myself. I agree that inactives should be pressured. I think it’s just the timing that is more key here. Whenever pressure is building on Nag, sheep will post something about an inactive.

Gentlemen. Language.

Commander you said you would kill nag. Even though you said you wouldn't shoot your sights are laid squarely on nags head.

That being said FOS both of you. This argument is so trivial it looks like scum mates trying to showcase a divide.

Doesn't anyone read posts anymore and just skims?

Really guys I didn't have to spend more than a minute on those posts to tell you, you guys missed some stuff. Considering I know what's going on with Naggy I can excuse him, but as for Sheep I can nawt. READ THE POST.

Both comm. and fir pointed out that sheep may have been skimming this part- or at least missed what commander was trying to say. Perhaps the argument was trivial- but I still think it could provide good information later down the line.

Now whether Nag is scum or not- we don’t know- but at least people are doing their best to try to hunt out scum and promote pro-town discussions/information. Also it is very important to do this, so we can gage a reaction from others. It seems as though sheep wants to shut down any possible reactions we can gather from this exchange between nag and commander.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

There it is again. As this keeps happening after it has been pointed out, that would seem to indicate that this is not an error but a game mechanic. What exactly does this mean?

Double votes all the way across the game.

That or it helps support the executioner role theory.
Honestly though I have no idea. I don't think it's very relavent to focus on at the moment.

Again, I see this post as sheep trying to direct the conversation somewhere else. I’d say the vote count or rather, the amount of votes needed for a lynch is a very pertinent thing to talk about. At the end of the day, all of us (except safari and maybe comm) will want a lynch. Therefore we need to know how many votes it will take to do so. Also a lynch at the end of Day 1 will give us another vote pattern to analyze (along with shield’s).

I think sheep has been very cautious even when he is in the forefront of discussions. If you noticed- he hasn’t really placed a vote on edoc. However he has been trying to rouse up suspicion against edoc in a few posts. And most noticeably when things get heated around Nag.

I think my case is rather weak, but I really wanted to put something out there. I don’t think its enough to warrant a vote on sheep, but I will just FOS him for the moment. I just get the vibe that he is sitting back and hoping for others to do all the voting for him- much like commander is doing. So I wanted to spread awareness. If we want to get this Day 1 over with, we can’t all be so passive (including myself).

[TA1LGUNN3R]

If I was a town vig right now I would have to roll dice to figure out how to kill. So I am not satisfied.

If that's the case and you're not vig, I'm very happy - one of the worst things that could happen is a trigger happy vig (you should know this just as well as I do).

Commie I don't know if you're taking this pout out o f dcontect, but I somehwat agree with edoc here. He woesn't actually posoing wheher if you were vig who would you kil?, but who appears the scummiest, or the best lead to pursue with inght actions. Hell, even who would be the best target for night actions. At this point no one has really stood out other than saf for this latest no lynch. But that's all.

He ignores my argument, we all know full well that lynching rookies, the absent and the like are "easier" to lynch the a experienced player. He then goes on to rationalize his own vote on the wagon while redirecting the attention elsewhere, followed a defense of Nag, another player I have my eye on. Lynching Safari would also potentially give info on Nag's alignment.

I would sway towards this somewhat, even though I've proeivesly F?OSe'd saf. However I bleieve saf to be clever enoough to pull somehtinhg off to fool town.

-Tails

[sheepofdumb]

Sheep has been playing very well all game so far. He's been helpful, good at explaining things, and seems pro-town.

However, as I was reading the through the thread again, some of his post jumped out at me. I think they are a distraction ploy. For one thing, he has been pointing out the inactives.

Also, FOS Violet. I haven't seen a single post from you since you confirmed.

Anyone else notice fircoal submarining? No posts in 5 days. That's 8 pages and the only time we talk about him is his vote on nag at the beginning of the game.

Vote Fircoal. He hasn't posted all week.

I feel like sheep is trying to pose a distraction here. He mentions Fircoal, not once, but twice. It is nice to mention when someone hasn’t posted in awhile to place some pressure on them. I often do this myself. I agree that inactives should be pressured. I think it’s just the timing that is more key here. Whenever pressure is building on Nag, sheep will post something about an inactive.

My stance nag is "meh". The idea that nag is bandwagoning by placing a second vote on shield is silly. I already said that I agree with half of nag's stance. Edoc has caught my eye but all I have against him is a hypothesis that applies to every player here. I visit the forums very often and this is my only game right now. So inactives bother me. It was also bothering me that nag was getting heat while Fir was scummarining and getting away with it. Despite the fact that fir was mentioned at least once per page during his week long absence.

Gentlemen. Language.

Commander you said you would kill nag. Even though you said you wouldn't shoot your sights are laid squarely on nags head.

That being said FOS both of you. This argument is so trivial it looks like scum mates trying to showcase a divide.

Doesn't anyone read posts anymore and just skims?

Really guys I didn't have to spend more than a minute on those posts to tell you, you guys missed some stuff. Considering I know what's going on with Naggy I can excuse him, but as for Sheep I can nawt. READ THE POST.

Both comm. and fir pointed out that sheep may have been skimming this part- or at least missed what commander was trying to say. Perhaps the argument was trivial- but I still think it could provide good information later down the line.

Now whether Nag is scum or not- we don’t know- but at least people are doing their best to try to hunt out scum and promote pro-town discussions/information. Also it is very important to do this, so we can gage a reaction from others. It seems as though sheep wants to shut down any possible reactions we can gather from this exchange between nag and commander.

I honestly didn't get it. I didn't skim, that conversation just went straight over my head. I was going to ask what I was missing when I saw violets post. I still don't understand what I'm missing.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

There it is again. As this keeps happening after it has been pointed out, that would seem to indicate that this is not an error but a game mechanic. What exactly does this mean?

Double votes all the way across the game.

That or it helps support the executioner role theory.
Honestly though I have no idea. I don't think it's very relavent to focus on at the moment.

Again, I see this post as sheep trying to direct the conversation somewhere else. I’d say the vote count or rather, the amount of votes needed for a lynch is a very pertinent thing to talk about. At the end of the day, all of us (except safari and maybe comm) will want a lynch. Therefore we need to know how many votes it will take to do so. Also a lynch at the end of Day 1 will give us another vote pattern to analyze (along with shield’s).

I think sheep has been very cautious even when he is in the forefront of discussions. If you noticed- he hasn’t really placed a vote on edoc. However he has been trying to rouse up suspicion against edoc in a few posts. And most noticeably when things get heated around Nag.

I think my case is rather weak, but I really wanted to put something out there. I don’t think its enough to warrant a vote on sheep, but I will just FOS him for the moment. I just get the vibe that he is sitting back and hoping for others to do all the voting for him- much like commander is doing. So I wanted to spread awareness. If we want to get this Day 1 over with, we can’t all be so passive (including myself).

I will admit to being cautious. I don't know what the town is thinking and I wasn't about to stick my neck out for a kill if I didn't have a strong case. I don't expect to stir the pot and let people do the voting for me. I was the one who started the bandwagon on shield right before his death. My "misdirection" posts have been me biding my time while something develops.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I’d say the vote count or rather, the amount of votes needed for a lynch is a very pertinent thing to talk about.

Well we can't really talk about this now. It was useful pointing this out so that every one knows about the needed votes, but at this point we have no idea what the reason behind this is, and speculating will do little to help the situation. We'll find out in time I'm sure.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Ugh c'mon people. Well seeing as how activity is dragging and we've got a kill for the day, and I doubt we'll get anywhere at this rate before pancake institutes a deadline, I'll unvote vote no lynch.

-Tails

[edocsil]

If I was a town vig right now I would have to roll dice to figure out how to kill. So I am not satisfied.

If that's the case and you're not vig, I'm very happy - one of the worst things that could happen is a trigger happy vig (you should know this just as well as I do).

Commie I don't know if you're taking this pout out o f dcontect, but I somehwat agree with edoc here. He woesn't actually posoing wheher if you were vig who would you kil?, but who appears the scummiest, or the best lead to pursue with inght actions. Hell, even who would be the best target for night actions. At this point no one has really stood out other than saf for this latest no lynch. But that's all.

He ignores my argument, we all know full well that lynching rookies, the absent and the like are "easier" to lynch the a experienced player. He then goes on to rationalize his own vote on the wagon while redirecting the attention elsewhere, followed a defense of Nag, another player I have my eye on. Lynching Safari would also potentially give info on Nag's alignment.

I would sway towards this somewhat, even though I've proeivesly F?OSe'd saf. However I bleieve saf to be clever enoough to pull somehtinhg off to fool town.

-Tails

Then help get the game moving and vote for him, it is the best lead we have D1.

Currently there are 4 people who can't even be bother enough to place a vote, and 6 votes spread to hell and back. Pick someone and get on with it people.

[spiesr]

It wasn't a no lynch, there was a kill day 1. That's enough by my opinion. We got a kill, and we noticed voting patterns. What more do you want? I personally think it's really narrowminded to stubbornly press for a day 1 lynch every single time. If we want to prevent mass claiming like in Albarezzi, then eventually we're going to have to draw the line somewhere and say that's enough for day 1. We got a kill, we know there's probably a 3rd party SKer, and we've established some voting patterns. Do you honestly expect we're going to get a lot more from today?

I see what safariguy is saying here. If shieldgenerator had not been killed, the day would have ended with lynch lynch before long. And with that it would have been a fairly standard day 1 in that someone said something stupid and then got lynched. So from this day so far we have gotten the info that we would have gotten from shieldgenerator's lynch, plus the discovery of the existence of a daykiller and some extra discussion after the fact. This is more info that we would have settled for without the kill. Normally you want to get as much information from discussion that you can each day. But, at this point the game is stagnating, so the idea of wrapping up the day quickly has some merit.
Anyhow, I am going to pick my favorite case right now and try to go with it. I find edocsil to be the scummiest right now. They I see it, the first he he does is use nagerous vote on shield to attack him under the guise of defending the new player. For a while he goes on with this, making posts defending shield and explaining things to him to maintain credibility for his vote on nagerous. However, shield does not improve and the tide shifts, people pres edocsil for his stance against nag and defense of shield. He responds with this.

Now, this last part was something different. Saf, I wasn't suggesting no lynch - I'd rather wanted to pressure Nag (and still do), but if shield continues on this path, he will not last long.

Certainly not. one more slip up on his part and I'm going to do a 180.

Once more people start to turn against shield edocsil sets up this post as a way for him to transition to the popular side. Shortly afterwords he joins the tide of votes on shield with this post, justifying his actions and reconcile them with his prior arguments by citing timing as why it is right to do so now, be was wrong to do so earlier.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

Later when called on his actions.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

Now after safariguy suggests having a no lynch for the day TAILGUNN3R and Streaker post stating this action has caused them to become suspicious of safariguy. Edocsil wastes no time turning this suspicion into a no contest case to lynch safaiguy on the spot. So once again he jumps onto what he sees as the popular side. While he was the first vote, in my opinion he is simply following the sentiment that he saw from the two prior posters and trying to fit into that crowd.

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL.

Then he tries to justify his move by coming up with points against safariguy.
So anyway, I suck at making cases and there isn't a ton of stuff to go off of today but edocsil gets my vote. Vote edocsil.

[sheepofdumb]

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL. Here is one of his posts

Well bottom line is that we now know that we have a SKer of some sort. I'd guess third party, but that's not set in stone. It's still a useful death.

Joker could easily be mafia, to be honest. Also, the only way I could see this as a useful death is that we'll lose a troll, but a cop generally is a big loss.

True, but remember this was a daykill. Give mafia a daykill+ a nightkill would be really powerful in a 11 person game. And him not being town-aligned makes me wonder what incentive he had to clear any players or accuse them.

In all honesty I agree with him, that being said He is trying to draw attention away from the mafia and onto a SK.

If we are going to assume that Joker is a third party SK then you can't draw attention away from a mafia that hasn't done anything. Both factions (if they are separate) are dangerous to the town. The sooner both of die the sooner the town is safe.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

Edoc saying that because he knew shield wasn't his scummate he could defend him made me suspicious. I was even more suspicious when Edoc washed his hands of shield and then proclaimed his innocence with this post:

(Shield dies)

Yeah, that is likely the best thing that could have happened, I would have been in a tight spot otherwise.

Edoc has shown signs of bandwagoning. He waits until it is safe and jumps on people who take riskier moves.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

He already had a red flag in my book so I'm going to bump it up to a unvote vote edoc.

[edocsil]

What I would do for a few daykills of my own. Well, at least it is activity, albeit misguided. I really can't comprehend the wagon forming on me here. I am getting accused of wagoning WHEN I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE VOTED FOR SAFARI. I guess that wasn't clear. I have beaten the whole shield thing to death, I think it is wrong to lynch a noob right off the bat for common noob mistakes, once it was plain he was trolling the game changed.

So I am sitting here putting on the breaks on some moronic NL (seriously guys, we have a mafia and a SK and you WANT to go to night?) advocating people to come and find someone worthwhile to vote off the island and you all get hostile over it?

God damn.

[safariguy5]

What I would do for a few daykills of my own. Well, at least it is activity, albeit misguided. I really can't comprehend the wagon forming on me here. I am getting accused of wagoning WHEN I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE VOTED FOR SAFARI. I guess that wasn't clear. I have beaten the whole shield thing to death, I think it is wrong to lynch a noob right off the bat for common noob mistakes, once it was plain he was trolling the game changed.

So I am sitting here putting on the breaks on some moronic NL (seriously guys, we have a mafia and a SK and you WANT to go to night?) advocating people to come and find someone worthwhile to vote off the island and you all get hostile over it?

God damn.

You're not the only person to jump on me, tails also did the same thing. That said, it's not a moronic NL, considering (as spiesr has pointed out) that we have basically accomplished what day 1 usually accomplishes. Let's look at the numbers here...

10 people, I estimate probably 2 mafia + 1 Third Party SKer with Daykill abilities. So we build a case on someone now, that's only a 30% chance that we actually kill someone who is anti-town.

Add to that, the Joker character has daykill abilities. If we accidentally out a town power role, even if the mafia don't get him tonight, the Joker is probably going to off him tomorrow. So if we keep forcing claims out of people and turn this into Albarezzi v 2.0, mafia and the Joker are going to shooting fish in a barrel, except with kills in both night and day.

At this point, I'm getting more committed to the idea that we can't afford accidentally outing another town role as the upside of catching scum (not very likely) vs. the downside of getting a town member killed sometime soon (more likely) is not very favorable.

[edocsil]

What I would do for a few daykills of my own. Well, at least it is activity, albeit misguided. I really can't comprehend the wagon forming on me here. I am getting accused of wagoning WHEN I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE VOTED FOR SAFARI. I guess that wasn't clear. I have beaten the whole shield thing to death, I think it is wrong to lynch a noob right off the bat for common noob mistakes, once it was plain he was trolling the game changed.

So I am sitting here putting on the breaks on some moronic NL (seriously guys, we have a mafia and a SK and you WANT to go to night?) advocating people to come and find someone worthwhile to vote off the island and you all get hostile over it?

God damn.

You're not the only person to jump on me, tails also did the same thing. That said, it's not a moronic NL, considering (as spiesr has pointed out) that we have basically accomplished what day 1 usually accomplishes. Let's look at the numbers here...

10 people, I estimate probably 2 mafia + 1 Third Party SKer with Daykill abilities. So we build a case on someone now, that's only a 30% chance that we actually kill someone who is anti-town.

Add to that, the Joker character has daykill abilities. If we accidentally out a town power role, even if the mafia don't get him tonight, the Joker is probably going to off him tomorrow. So if we keep forcing claims out of people and turn this into Albarezzi v 2.0, mafia and the Joker are going to shooting fish in a barrel, except with kills in both night and day.

At this point, I'm getting more committed to the idea that we can't afford accidentally outing another town role as the upside of catching scum (not very likely) vs. the downside of getting a town member killed sometime soon (more likely) is not very favorable.

He fosed you, I am certain your feelings are hurt. So waiting till tomorrow when we have fewer townies makes the odds better? Yeah, perhaps not such a good idea. There were 11 of us, so I guess there 2-3 scum and an SK. For the math I will assume only 2 scum. Batman is out there and he has a kill, I can think of no other conceivable role for him beyond Vig. 3 kills during the night leaves us at worst with 3 bad guys and 4 good guys. Bad odds. Perhaps we will get lucky, but I highly doubt it.