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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby spiesr on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:09 am

nagerous wrote:Your points on me are WIFOM. I would say one thing in my defence though, it would be a bit of a bold strategy to recruit someone who is a mason and kill off his partner. If it had gone wrong and edoc had survived, which was perfectly likely with all the bus driving and doctoring that was going about then the mafia's recruit would've been straight to the lynch. I don't see why the mafia would've recruited me because of this factor. Nark on the other hand was a lover not a mason and therefore he would be a more interesting prospect.
Why do you say this? Do you think that the mason would be told that his partner was recruited or something?
nagerous wrote:However, the person I am kind of most suspicious about at the moment is You. I do have a theory that if you were recruited you would lose your governor powers, so if you can stop your own lynch today then you can effectively prove your innocence. If you can't stop your lynch then it means you're scum so it is a win win situation. (I am a bit rusty though so please correct me if it is common practice that governors can't stop their own lynch??)
Well, I have been wondering some things about pancake for a while now. Simply becuase of his claim. While the town could certainly force him the stop the lynch to prove his own claim, what are the chances that the town would actually sacrifice a day to do it. So I am saying that it seems like a pretty safe claim for the most part. As for now, I will say that a mafia governor that can stop his own lynch is kind of a broken role. So would Saxland respond to this by stripping recruits of their old powers, by not allowing governors to prevent their own worth lynch, or did he simply not realize how unbalanced the recruiting could be and do nothing. It would sure be handy if we knew whether or not recruits lost their powers.
Anyhow the world is about to end so I can't stay and chat...
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby pancakemix on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:22 am

nagerous wrote:My theory on nark was that if he had been recruited then he wouldn't be able to use his vig kill as otherwise that would over-power the scum. Regardless, I am not keen on lynching him as the fallout with Drabod's death if we're wrong would be too brutal..


Wherever did you get that idea?

Your points on me are WIFOM. I would say one thing in my defence though, it would be a bit of a bold strategy to recruit someone who is a mason and kill off his partner. If it had gone wrong and edoc had survived, which was perfectly likely with all the bus driving and doctoring that was going about then the mafia's recruit would've been straight to the lynch. I don't see why the mafia would've recruited me because of this factor. Nark on the other hand was a lover not a mason and therefore he would be a more interesting prospect.


All I said was that it would be a smart move. I don't see the WIFOM. As far as your defense goes, seeing as I already don't trust safari and the circumstances surrounding edoc's death are mysterious, I have no doubt that these actions were well thought out. You forget that with the recruitment, they had their pick of the litter because practically every role was out in the open. If they actually thought about what their strategy was, recruiting the cop/mason seems like a no brainer. You're getting pretty defensive for a mere logical conclusion. That last comment doesn't make sense. Nark's lynch could prove brutal but now he's an interesting prospect? He certainly wasn't a safe one, nobody believed his claim. Nobody.

However, the person I am kind of most suspicious about at the moment is You. I do have a theory that if you were recruited you would lose your governor powers, so if you can stop your own lynch today then you can effectively prove your innocence. If you can't stop your lynch then it means you're scum so it is a win win situation. (I am a bit rusty though so please correct me if it is common practice that governors can't stop their own lynch??)


Again, where did you get that idea about losing powers? You'd have so be speaking from experience. I can stop my own lynch, but seeing as that would not only waste a day and put us in a worse position, that would leave me open to being NK'd or "investigated" by you and "found as scum", at which point I can make no defense. The Salem logic doesn't really make much sense either.

I'm pretty sure you've been recruited. Vote nag
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:47 pm

It is ridiculous to try and force the governor to stop his own lynch to prove he is town.

Tell you what, pancake, spiesr, and drabod....

We lynch nag today and I nightkill Safari tonight.

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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby nagerous on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:34 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:It is ridiculous to try and force the governor to stop his own lynch to prove he is town.

Tell you what, pancake, spiesr, and drabod....

We lynch nag today and I nightkill Safari tonight.

Vote: Nagerous


What is more ridiculous is lynching the town cop..

Why do you refuse to answer my questions on the status of being lovers. It's like people are not even reading my posts, pancakemix completely did not read my posts apparently, instead just posting questions to stuff I already answered.

Of course just another fuckign game I join and get lynched as a townie.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:44 pm

Hey now, Nag, don't be so pissy.

Drabod is my lover- in this game, obviously ;) I know that he has as many protections and investigates as he wants, but no kills. Those are mine.

We can talk at night and we have been.

As for me being recruited. It didn't happen. Don't know what else you may want from me...

I do think that your tone "Another time I play a game and get lynched as a townie" makes people more suspicious of you and not less. It's mafia and you are a grown-ass man. You don't pout EVER, and it is interesting to see you do it now.

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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby nagerous on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:54 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Hey now, Nag, don't be so pissy.

Drabod is my lover- in this game, obviously ;) I know that he has as many protections and investigates as he wants, but no kills. Those are mine.

We can talk at night and we have been.

As for me being recruited. It didn't happen. Don't know what else you may want from me...

I do think that your tone "Another time I play a game and get lynched as a townie" makes people more suspicious of you and not less. It's mafia and you are a grown-ass man. You don't pout EVER, and it is interesting to see you do it now.

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Drabod's role sounds like a fantastically developed role, that's why I was suspicious of you because it seems otherwise that we have a ridiculously over-powered town. The idea of the town beginning with two mason pairings essentially (with one of them being lovers) one with a tracker and cop, the other with a vigilante and an overpowered JOAT. On top of that we have a governor, a bus driver and a doctor. Then scum all seem to have so far is a recruiter and a godfather. That is why I am cautious of you and I wouldn't be playing properly if I wasn't

I felt like I may some reasoned points against both you and pancakemix and they got ignored and banded against me. I'm sorry if that made me over-react, but I have been lynched in the last 3 games I have, two I was town in and the last one on day one as a townie and it just seems like I'm on some sort of roll where I get targetted and it's really ruining mafia for me.

I think pancake you might have misunderstood me, I was saying he was more of a prospect as having been recruited, not for a lynch, , - he was a lover or at least was viewed as a lover without masonic powers.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby nagerous on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:57 pm

pancakemix wrote:Again, where did you get that idea about losing powers? You'd have so be speaking from experience. I can stop my own lynch, but seeing as that would not only waste a day and put us in a worse position, that would leave me open to being NK'd or "investigated" by you and "found as scum", at which point I can make no defense. The Salem logic doesn't really make much sense either.

I'm pretty sure you've been recruited. Vote nag


If I wanted to and was scum I could've 'sold' you out today.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby safariguy5 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:20 pm

From a balance standpoint, I can accept what Sax has done in terms making Nark and drabod lovers.

Regular JOAT= protect, kill or investigate.

Sax's version
Vig=kill + lovers with JOAT= protect or investigate.

The balance seems ok to me. If we're going to talk about most likely for a recruitment, I still stand by my belief that the vig would be the best. It's one thing for the cop to have to investigate people repeatedly, but I really do think the vig is the most direct threat when he is lovers with the JOAT. The reasoning is that the lover mechanic allows for communcation at night. This allows the JOAT to share guilty results with the vig and straight up nk the mafia without having to waste a lynch on the mafia member.

Anarkistsdream wrote:It is ridiculous to try and force the governor to stop his own lynch to prove he is town.

Tell you what, pancake, spiesr, and drabod....

We lynch nag today and I nightkill Safari tonight.

Vote: Nagerous


Ok, I'm going to simply poke a hole in this plan right now. I'm the freaking bus driver, don't you think that scum would WIFOM me switching myself out for a townie to be killed? Then use that as justification if we do have a tomorrow for hanging me and endgaming it? I've been saying all game that I'm not scum. And I personally think recruiting Nark makes the most sense to me. As I recall, normal governors cannot prevent their own lynch anyways. I'm going to stand by my logic here and vote Nark. At some point, we have to seriously consider that all the claiming day 1 set out for scum really simply who would be the least suspected for a recruitment and who would seriously handicap town's ability to get rid of scum.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby spiesr on Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:23 pm

safariguy5 wrote:The reasoning is that the lover mechanic allows for communcation at night. This allows the JOAT to share guilty results with the vig and straight up nk the mafia without having to waste a lynch on the mafia member.
But in a situation where both of those players have claimed, as they have been since day 1, then any investigation results from the JOAT will be posted in the thread for all to see. As a result any guilty results will be lynched that day rather than waiting to be vigged the following night. So this particular part of your logic doesn't actually carry any meaning in this game.
nagerous wrote:If I wanted to and was scum I could've 'sold' you out today.
But if you are the only scum left then with six players alive now today would not be the last day even if you did so. I mean you lied about an investigation today to get someone lynched then tonight there would be 5 players left. You then kill someone. Next day there would still be 4 players left. If you are the only scum that would not be endgame and people would be looking at lynching you for lying. (If you didn't get killed by the vig overnight.) So basically I am saying that you would not lie and say you found someone guilty today as it would not win the game and the town would then be against you. Unless you are not the only player in your scum group.
Anarkistsdream wrote:We lynch nag today and I nightkill Safari tonight.
I am not sure that this is the best plan. If either you or Drabod is scum then scum would win with this plan.
Hmm... how should we proceed, is there any way to avert the end of the world?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Drabod on Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:28 am

Yes i also have a doctors protection, and even though he is my lover, i once he claimed the mafia will have recruited him... I will stand by and say i dont mind taking this for the team and if i die, i dont mind.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:20 am

Drabod wrote:Yes i also have a doctors protection, and even though he is my lover, i once he claimed the mafia will have recruited him... I will stand by and say i dont mind taking this for the team and if i die, i dont mind.


What you just wrote didn't even make any sense drabod...
What does this bolded part mean?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Drabod on Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:26 pm

i dont even know what i meant, i wrote it after a few to many it seems :S im confused myself
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Commander9 on Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:56 pm

Go mafia! (Whoever you guys are ;) )
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:43 pm

Well, anyways. I think that besides drabod's non sequiter of a post, logically the largest threat to mafia besides vig would be cop. But if I had to choose between a cop that's just a cop, and a cop who's also a doc, the JOAT is stronger imho. So by that logic, drabod would be the more likely recruit than nagerous. Assuming the mafia didn't go for the vig (unlikely in my mind) then drabod would be the next strongest target.

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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby pancakemix on Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:51 pm

Well, I'm going to unvote vote safari because I still don't trust you and you are most likely to be the "static" scum. I can't see this panning it well anyway it goes, but that's what we're stuck with I suppose...
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby spiesr on Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:12 pm

Okay, so the game kinda went silent of the weekend. Could it be that our city has been cursed by a plague of muteness?
Drabod wrote:Yes i also have a doctors protection, and even though he is my lover, i once he claimed the mafia will have recruited him... I will stand by and say i dont mind taking this for the team and if i die, i dont mind.
So are you saying that you think that AD may have been recruited and that you are willing to consider lynching him even though it means that you will die too? If so, then I am somewhat relieved that you are not going to mindlessly follow him. This lessens my worry that if he is scum that you would automatically support him in a situation where you two are among the final 3 tomorrow giving him an easy win. Follow your own will, don't let demons manipulate your heart into going down the road to doom.
I am trying to puzzle out the possible outcomes from today but there seem to be just too many possibilities to get a solid idea of what the best course of action would be. Maybe it is interference from the aliens, but I just can't wrap my mind around an answer right now.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby nagerous on Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:48 am

safariguy5 wrote:Well, anyways. I think that besides drabod's non sequiter of a post, logically the largest threat to mafia besides vig would be cop. But if I had to choose between a cop that's just a cop, and a cop who's also a doc, the JOAT is stronger imho. So by that logic, drabod would be the more likely recruit than nagerous. Assuming the mafia didn't go for the vig (unlikely in my mind) then drabod would be the next strongest target.

unvote vote drabod



I don't like this idea because it was drabod that handed commander's head on a plate. It seems illogical that drabod would sacrifice his own recruiter. I think it is WIFOM when we talk about who is most likely to have been recruited by the mafia and who isn't. I think commander would be cleverer than that and that is why I think there is the potential that pancakemix could've been the one that was recruited, as I said I really doubt that a governor would retain his powers if he was recruited and when someone said it would be a wasted day if he was lynched, in my eyes it really wouldn't. 1) if he can save himself he can clear his name 2) if he can save himself we have an extra man alive the next day, rather than the theory being put forward by saf which would result in 2 deaths and another one night 3) we would have a wagon to analyse.

That being said, I'm not happy with the way safari seems keen to lynch our lovers. Although one may be mafia, their night actions are still going to be valuable and if nark is town then he can kill who he thinks is most suspicious, if drabod is town he has the option to investigate and potentially clear his other half. I did like the potential idea that pancake may be a corrupt governor, especially since he seems overly cautious about my idea of himself lynching rather than seeing the merits of it that the other townies would be experiencing but at the moment I'm starting to swing more towards voting safari now as his voting for our lovers doesn't seem logical and right at this stage and maybe the next day phase if both are still alive it would be a bolder strategy to take out 2 in 1.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:11 am

Well, if we really want to "clear out the scummy people, there's an easy solution. You all thought I was scummy, but at this point, the easiest thing to do is lynch a town role that isn't that important. To make things the simplest and prevent any misdirected things, the logical thing to do if both PCM and I are under the gun would be to lynch me and then NK PCM. 2 investigations should be plenty to figure out who's town if we don't get the scum from the night actions. I'm willing to take the bullet if it eliminates all possibilities of scum to hide.
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby spiesr on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:42 am

safariguy5 wrote:Well, anyways. I think that besides drabod's non sequiter of a post, logically the largest threat to mafia besides vig would be cop. But if I had to choose between a cop that's just a cop, and a cop who's also a doc, the JOAT is stronger imho. So by that logic, drabod would be the more likely recruit than nagerous. Assuming the mafia didn't go for the vig (unlikely in my mind) then drabod would be the next strongest target.
One things to keep in mind here is that if we lynch Drabod, AD kills someone and then dies, and the mafia kills some one. If the scum isn't AD, Drabod, or the person that AD kills then we lose. So, this would be the fastest way to end the game. We would win if Drabod or AD is the scum, or AD kills the right person. But we lose if it isn't. Although, no matter what route we take, I don't think the town will get to choose more than three targets anyway. Anyhow, what worries me about this suggestion is that if you are scum, safariguy, it most likely leads to you winning tonight. With your busdriver powers you could avoid an attempt to kill you.
nagerous wrote:I don't like this idea because it was drabod that handed commander's head on a plate. It seems illogical that drabod would sacrifice his own recruiter.
Excellent point, I don't think that the mafia would sacrifice such an important role unless they absolutely had to.
Commander9 wrote:Confirmed townies who I'm sure told us the truth:
Yoshi - I'm fairly sure he's the town doctor and the main reason he has looked suspicious is more so due to his inexperience than anything else.
Nagerous - Edoc has already proved that he's the town's cop.
PCM - I'm pretty much completely sure that he IS the governor.

People I'm unsure over:
spiesr - generally appears to have acted pro-town, but I also think that the PR is suspicious (perhaps a possible cultist?)

People I find the scummiest:
Nark/Drabod - something with this pair still doesn't add up, IMO.
safari - claimed busdriver who was supposed to protect the town (Edoc didn't want to at first, but conceded later) and the person that was supposed to be protected ends up dead in suspicious circumstances.
Here is a post from Day 2 where Commander (Scum Recruiter) categorized people. This leads to the question, do you think that he would have put his recruit in the first group? Or do we want to go the WIFOM route and think that he did the reverse?
Commander9 wrote:I just ask for one thing - if I'll be lynched and turn innocent, please, please take a look at Nark/Drabod (likely Safari as well, but I he's not as suspicious as those two). I've really said everything that I can and you can now judge me by my actions and claim. Even if I'll be lynched, please look back at my previous posts (and this one) to make your judgement and don't blindly follow our "masons."
In this post he pleads with us to go after AD, Drabod, and safariguy should he turn up innocent upon his lynch. Now he knows that he won't turn up innocent, so is this some sort of scheme where he thinks that those he names here would actually look better after his lynch becuase a scum called them out, or is this just chaff that he is throwing up trying to look like a townie in a last ditch attempt?
DoomYoshi wrote:Why are you 100% that pcm is the governor commander?
DoomYoshi made an interesting point here towards Commander. Why did Commander say he was so certain about pancakemix's claim when there had been no proof. Obviously, as scum Commander knew whether or not pancakemix was scum. Is it becuase he recruited pancakemix and wanted everyone else to be confident in pancakemix's townishness? Or was it just him trying to look like a townie?
safariguy5 wrote:Well, if we really want to "clear out the scummy people, there's an easy solution. You all thought I was scummy, but at this point, the easiest thing to do is lynch a town role that isn't that important. To make things the simplest and prevent any misdirected things, the logical thing to do if both PCM and I are under the gun would be to lynch me and then NK PCM. 2 investigations should be plenty to figure out who's town if we don't get the scum from the night actions. I'm willing to take the bullet if it eliminates all possibilities of scum to hide.
You know, I kind of like this plan. However, coming from you it makes me have confusion. Perhaps it is those alien rays again. Anyone have a large amount of aluminum foil or perhaps a Faraday cage that I could borrow?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:46 pm

Jeez... That was quite a bit of info to process.

OK, well, I obviously don't wanna kill drabod, because I don't wanna die too, unless we know it's endgame.

I also think that safari is most likely town, given his quickness to sacrifice himself for the town.

Don't know about spiesr... Could see him going either way. He's playing very well, but that can get tricky with how much he is helping and how much he is just agreeing.

Who to vote, who to vote?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Drabod on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:00 pm

Or another option, is not to lynch me or anark tonight, i can assure you i am town....

However i can still have the investagation option and this could be used to prove whether anark is town still or not ?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby pancakemix on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:28 pm

Drabod wrote:Or another option, is not to lynch me or anark tonight, i can assure you i am town....

However i can still have the investagation option and this could be used to prove whether anark is town still or not ?


But I thought you already used it?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby nagerous on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:03 am

pancakemix wrote:
Drabod wrote:Or another option, is not to lynch me or anark tonight, i can assure you i am town....

However i can still have the investagation option and this could be used to prove whether anark is town still or not ?


But I thought you already used it?


I believe I remember him mentioning his powers are superpowered and infinite earlier.

Nark, spiesr has been cleared (by both me and drabod). He is not scum.

What's the VC, mod?
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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby TheSaxlad on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:31 am

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1. Nark
2. Pancake
3. Safari (1-pcm)
4. spiesr
5. drabod(1-safari)
6. nagerous


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Re: The Murder Of Albarezzi- Day 3, The Doc got choked!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:21 am

nagerous wrote:
pancakemix wrote:
Drabod wrote:Or another option, is not to lynch me or anark tonight, i can assure you i am town....

However i can still have the investagation option and this could be used to prove whether anark is town still or not ?


But I thought you already used it?


I believe I remember him mentioning his powers are superpowered and infinite earlier.

Nark, spiesr has been cleared (by both me and drabod). He is not scum.

What's the VC, mod?


Was he not cleared before the recruitment took place?
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