POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[Haggis_McMutton]

I don't see how jumping votes from inactive to inactive is helping town right now. It might work when there isn't a deadline, but with a few days left it will do more harm then good.

I get a feeling you arent really interested in a lynch, as you say you only vote the inactives to get them to posting. With that logic, we will end up with a no-lynch Day 1, and that is higly suspicious.

That's the best I see up until here, so i'll

Vote falko

I kinda have to agree.

Falko, you may have been active, but most of your posts where either in relation to the Violet thing, where you admittedly skimmed, or just voting for inactives. Seems like a really easy way to keep activity and "help" town.

No. Noise is bad for the game. noise confuses peoples arguments, and things that can go clear for a legitimate lynch, goes underground because of noise.

And voting for an inactive, waiting for him to post anything, and then happily switching to the next inactive isn't noise? It's nothing but a thin mask covering a lack of real contribution.

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

This was kind of the clincher for me. So you single handedly made anarkist, fircoal and sax become active?
Even though sax has certainly contributed nothing, and it's debatable whether fir's contributed anything to this game.
Also, you consider yourself one of the most active players that has raised questions?
Even though most of your posts are simple prods for inactives and the only question you've asked was because you skimmed.

With deadline approaching I'm gonna say Vote Falko

[got tonkaed]

id like to go on record here as saying I think both vio and falko are probably anti-town, but that Vio is probably the bigger role of the two of them. Falko has seemingly been running interference for Vio, often seemingly at times when Vio gets some kind of pressure on her. Typically it is enough to back everyone off of vio for a bit and then discussion shifts towards something else.

Still it is surprising that for lack of any real reason other than misdirection, vio would decide this page was a good time to continue a discussion about strike, which is pretty fruitless, at the moment as it would allow the player who is being put under the most scrutiny to back off without having to really answer to the rest of us.

Id still probably be willing to vote falko as the deadline draws closer, but vio is more worthy of the votes from the whole day of play.

[strike wolf]

Why is everyone metagaming? Clearly it's not the only thing we have to go by and it's really not the best way to go about finding scum. People are even metagaming themselves in their own defense.

Just remember Briarsburg and Herk - if a person is attacking me in a rather bad way (In my opinion anyways), I will respond aggressively.

Having taken a second look at Commander's posts against the Victor wagon, they're clearly in favor of activity during Day 1. Not a very scummy thing to do. Strike backs off and gets voted by Victor, which ends up leading to this:

So not going after you and agreeing that one of the people who was voting you agrees with that theory how?

ebwop Not going after the people who defended you.

To be fair, if you had done, that would've been rather scummy and quite likely earnt a quick BW on you. You're a better player than that.

But strike didn't do that. Instead, he let it sit before digging in:

As for cases, commander and vio are definitely interesting for various reasonings. Your description of vio seems accurate enough I won't restate it. Commanders case, the defense of victor wasn't completely out of character for him but while he is usually aggressive to me it seems some of his actions are more just trying to shoot down anyone who disagrees with what he says (I would need to reread to remember specifics). So right now I consider him very interesting. fos commander

And soon, it really gets going

1. victor-has barely posted. One post apologizing, one post inaccurately analyzing what I had said and done at that point and one post where he pretty much just said he has nothing to say before commenting on some random remark that really didn't have anything to do with anyone. This was after his early game non-appearance that I drew attention to earlier huge fos victor.

10. commander-probably the most erratic and scummy behavior of anyone thus far. Associated himself with victor by defending him and attacking any comments that seem to be made in disagreement to him. Accused mandy based on an inaccuracy that had already been said to be false by mandy and explained why it was false by someone else when he made his comment which makes his post seem like a purposeful mistranslation that he tried to use to his advantage. His behavior to me appears aggressive yet misdirected behavior more intent on shooting down certain theories especially those against him than really positively contribute to the game.

With all this being said I think our best strategy still goes to exploring the commander/victor connection or the vio/falko connection. seeing as I believe Vio already has more votes on her than commander and I believe that combined commander and victor appear more scummy than vio I will vote commander

Things that are wrong with this:

1. There is no connection to draw between Vic and Commander. It just isn't there, at least not based on the evidence we have.

. That would be your opinion not mine. He didn't do anything to question victor about his lurking until he was starting to face serious pressure against himself in connection w/victor.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

yes mandys theory was insane I never denied that. But what commander did was attack mandy asking how he knew victor was town something that mandy already denied himself and others pointed out as being a false assessment of mandys theory. It was only after the assessment was brought up again for being false that commander changed direction and questioned mandy on his logic in the theory. Since then he's accused tails of being scummy and he's been accusing my actions of being scummy (with exception of the one time I agreed with him on the streaker wagon yet seemed to be insinuating my innocence despite this. Now my character in the movie isn't really major enough to warrant someone knowing who I am so I found it interesting and I followed up on it, admittedly I haven't really gotten the answers I was hoping for and it was probably more personal than I should have made it but I've tried to stay true to what I wanted with the wagon.

3. If attacks are coming from all sides, I'd think aggression would be a natural reaction.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.

I'm going to unvote vote strike

I agree fullheartedly that falko is a good candidate. His attitude seems to be don't get involved discussions that don't involve me and vote prod inactives. It's something that I would expect from someone who's won condition is alternate to town and with his latest random vote on mandy who promised to post the next day in detail it doesn't really appear town oriented.

[nagerous]

id like to go on record here as saying I think both vio and falko are probably anti-town, but that Vio is probably the bigger role of the two of them. Falko has seemingly been running interference for Vio, often seemingly at times when Vio gets some kind of pressure on her. Typically it is enough to back everyone off of vio for a bit and then discussion shifts towards something else.

Still it is surprising that for lack of any real reason other than misdirection, vio would decide this page was a good time to continue a discussion about strike, which is pretty fruitless, at the moment as it would allow the player who is being put under the most scrutiny to back off without having to really answer to the rest of us.

Id still probably be willing to vote falko as the deadline draws closer, but vio is more worthy of the votes from the whole day of play.

I agree with you that both of them have appeared the most scummy with strike wolf holding 3rd place. However, considering the deadline is approaching, and the development of this bandwagon, I think that a falco lynch is looking like much more of a possibility at the moment. It certainly wouldn't hurt for him to have more pressure on him and respond to some of the accusations being made.

I therefore am going to unvote vio and vote falco

Saf: VC please.

[mandalorian2298]

M sleep deprived, will post tomorrow. Poker, chess and blogging about chess.

This dork blogs... Just kidding, Mandalorian!

No offense taken my friend. Also, it's kind of true, blogging does require a certain level of narcissism or an insane enthusiasm for a topic that most people find uninteresting. Check and check.

As for my observations thus far, I like Falkomagno posts, he seems to understand the game well. Also, I have no gripe with his vote against me, inactivity is a good argument for a Day 1 vote.

10. commander-probably the most erratic and scummy behavior of anyone thus far. Associated himself with victor by defending him and attacking any comments that seem to be made in disagreement to him. Accused mandy based on an inaccuracy that had already been said to be false by mandy and explained why it was false by someone else when he made his comment which makes his post seem like a purposeful mistranslation that he tried to use to his advantage. His behavior to me appears aggressive yet misdirected behavior more intent on shooting down certain theories especially those against him than really positively contribute to the game.

With all this being said I think our best strategy still goes to exploring the commander/victor connection or the vio/falko connection. seeing as I believe Vio already has more votes on her than commander and I believe that combined commander and victor appear more scummy than vio I will vote commander

Things that are wrong with this:

1. There is no connection to draw between Vic and Commander. It just isn't there, at least not based on the evidence we have.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

3. If attacks are coming from all sides, I'd think aggression would be a natural reaction.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.

I'm going to unvote vote strike

1. Yes there is, Commander overly defended Victor when he has been bandwagoned for inactivity.

2. This goes to all of you metagaming haters: on what would you base the Day 1 lynch? Voting records!? Also, if you play 10 games with someone and you notice that he or she has a scum-tell (for example, Wicked used to require further explanations for everything. *sniff* I miss Wicked. I hope is well again.) why wouldn't you use it to identify them as scum?

3. In other words, revenge voting is good? I don't agree.

4. This is total skimmer BS. I went through Falko's posts and I found nothing scummy, just well thought out posts.

Although I still think that Commander is being scummy, I will switch my vote to PCM. unvote vote PCM

[pancakemix]

1. Yes there is, Commander overly defended Victor when he has been bandwagoned for inactivity.

2. This goes to all of you metagaming haters: on what would you base the Day 1 lynch? Voting records!? Also, if you play 10 games with someone and you notice that he or she has a scum-tell (for example, Wicked used to require further explanations for everything. *sniff* I miss Wicked. I hope is well again.) why wouldn't you use it to identify them as scum?

3. In other words, revenge voting is good? I don't agree.

4. This is total skimmer BS. I went through Falko's posts and I found nothing scummy, just well thought out posts.

Although I still think that Commander is being scummy, I will switch my vote to PCM. unvote vote PCM

1. No he didn't. He advocated replacement in lieu of a lynch. It's far less time wasting and al least it would get something productive done rather than lynch a townie with RL problems.

2. I think voting records is exactly why falko's getting lynched now. That and skimming. As far as metagaming goes, I try to play outside my role. In other words, I play the way I play regardless of alignment (even attacking people I know are on my side ) Either way, isn't Buffy the only game you've played with him? 10 games I coul see you pick something up like that but 1 game certainly doesn't provide enough evidence to give personal scumtells.

3. No, that's not what I'm saying. Notice Comm's vote was not on strike anyway.

4. THAT is total skimmer BS. Why is he getting lynched right now?

I really don't like that post. I'll unvote, but I'll wait and second that call for a VC.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hello, hello! *the crowd cheers* Yes, yes, thank you, thank you! *cheering continues* Okay, settle down, people! *cheering still continues* SETTLE DOWN! *cheering halts abruptly*

What's this business with Falko? (Rhetorical question, just to clarify) From a fairness stance, I understand the reasoning behind the Falko bandwagon, but doesn't it have the same, if not, less justification as my bandwagon earlier? Are we really hunting scum, or are we just wanting a lynch? I will investigate further these fellows that have hopped onto this mode of transportation into Night 1 and get back to you all soon. My vote stays on strike wolf for now, his recent posts have not swayed me.

Sorry for the intermittent posting, I plan to get back on top of things soon, but I've got various CC and RL things going on right now, so it's hard to keep track of what all I'm involved in.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- Fircoal, falkomagno
Fircoal(2)-Mr. Squirrel, /
got tonkaed(1)- Iliad
Commander9(4)- VioIet, tails, strike wolf, edocsil
Streaker(1)- Commander9
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(3)- Victor, freezie, pcm
Pancakemix(1)- mandy
Falkomagno(4)- Nark, streaker, Haggis, nagerous

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is in 3 days.

[edocsil]

Unvote Vote Falko I have seen worse D1 cases and we need to get some serious convo going on here if we want to be ready for night in 3 days.

[VioIet]

id like to go on record here as saying I think both vio and falko are probably anti-town, but that Vio is probably the bigger role of the two of them. Falko has seemingly been running interference for Vio, often seemingly at times when Vio gets some kind of pressure on her. Typically it is enough to back everyone off of vio for a bit and then discussion shifts towards something else.

Still it is surprising that for lack of any real reason other than misdirection, vio would decide this page was a good time to continue a discussion about strike, which is pretty fruitless, at the moment as it would allow the player who is being put under the most scrutiny to back off without having to really answer to the rest of us.

Id still probably be willing to vote falko as the deadline draws closer, but vio is more worthy of the votes from the whole day of play.

Hmm,, interesting post tonka. This sounds to be pure speculation when you talk about me having the bigger role. I don't think you can gather from anyone's posts of their exact role abilities. But if i am wrong- please do correct me- and give me an example of what i may have posted to allude that I had some big role.

I would also like to see evidence of these so called interferences. I think a post like this is good back up with some quotes. Everyone is connecting me and falko on the basis of being in the same clan- which seems a bit strange. And true- i was the one who initially brought that fact up- but it's just interesting that its still continuing.

Also, I think you misunderstood my post about strike. In a game this large with over twenty people- there are going to be several different discussions/ topics going on at once. I had posted once the previous day, and was posting again the next day. I responded to the post that caught my attention the most. Would it have been better for me to ignore the post from the previous page, because people were discussing a different topic on the current page? I do not have a vote on strike, and have not raised any attention towards him prior to that post. I just wanted clarification on something that he had posted.

[VioIet]

No offense taken my friend. Also, it's kind of true, blogging does require a certain level of narcissism or an insane enthusiasm for a topic that most people find uninteresting. Check and check.

As for my observations thus far, I like Falkomagno posts, he seems to understand the game well. Also, I have no gripe with his vote against me, inactivity is a good argument for a Day 1 vote.

Although I still think that Commander is being scummy, I will switch my vote to PCM. unvote vote PCM

I liked your post Mandy, and I was with you up until I saw the vote for pancake at the end. The post you wrote, was a well thought out analysis of the voting patterns so far this game- but I didn't really see much substance about pancake. You did quote his post- but perhaps i missed the commentary. Is it just an inner feeling you have? If you really think commander is the scummier of the two.
With a deadline coming- you putting a vote on pancake is just further splitting the town- making it more divisive. What I mean is- it actually leads us further away from a lynch.
On one hand this is a good thing, as we still need more discussion. But on the other hand, its not as good because as edoc said, the deadline is in three days.

Strike ignored me

Are we really hunting scum, or are we just wanting a lynch? I will investigate further these fellows that have hopped onto this mode of transportation into Night 1 and get back to you all soon. My vote stays on strike wolf for now, his recent posts have not swayed me.

Sorry for the intermittent posting, I plan to get back on top of things soon, but I've got various CC and RL things going on right now, so it's hard to keep track of what all I'm involved in.

I think we are mostly divided, some of us mostly want to hunt scum, and most just want a lynch before the deadline.

And Victor, I liked your post, and I'm glad you popped into the game to catch up a bit. However, everyday you say you have lots of CC and RL things going one. I do know firsthand, how much work it is to be a teacher, so I can understand. But you can't be busy everyday. I'm still awaiting the day when Sully will be back and superactive on the mafia forums as you were a few months ago.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I must say I'm liking all the discussion so far...

I'm not really feeling the case of falko. He voted for some inactives, and is "skimming" (I missed this part). I would be more interested in hearing from Iliad, Mass Miracle, etc., than the case of falko.

I'm also curious as to why mandy voted for pcm. Was it for his defense of Commie?

-Tails

[freezie]

I would also like to see evidence of these so called interferences. I think a post like this is good back up with some quotes. Everyone is connecting me and falko on the basis of being in the same clan- which seems a bit strange. And true- i was the one who initially brought that fact up- but it's just interesting that its still continuing.

Honestly Vio, it's more what Falko did than you did that brought up this discussion..However you did set the first stone out.

Falko was vote jumping inactives ALL day, and came to your defense ( I don't recall him defending ANYBODY else..) when really there was nothing to defend..

And when he explained why he defended you, you came explaining for him that he was in your clan and that was the reason he defended you..Hence why many people are connecting you both.

I still wouldn't lynch you just yet...Falko is a much better choice in all cases, but if he turns out scum..You know it.

Anyway..Unvote

Vote: Falko Once again.

[Commander9]

1. Yes there is, Commander overly defended Victor when he has been bandwagoned for inactivity.

2. This goes to all of you metagaming haters: on what would you base the Day 1 lynch? Voting records!? Also, if you play 10 games with someone and you notice that he or she has a scum-tell (for example, Wicked used to require further explanations for everything. *sniff* I miss Wicked. I hope is well again.) why wouldn't you use it to identify them as scum?

3. In other words, revenge voting is good? I don't agree.

4. This is total skimmer BS. I went through Falko's posts and I found nothing scummy, just well thought out posts.

Although I still think that Commander is being scummy, I will switch my vote to PCM. unvote vote PCM

1. Okay, enough of this BS. Show proof or GTFO. Seriously, show me where I overly defended Victor - I'm sick of you and your buddies making up stuff. If you're saying something, be able to back it up.

2. You've played one game with me - and you already know the patterns? Gee - you must be the smartest man alive.

3. Revenge voting?.. Check your facts.

4. While Falko made sense, he has been vote jumping on inactives the whole day and producing a million different cases with deadline looming.

Unvote. Vote Mandy for twisting the facts and trying to manipulate town.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(3)- Fircoal, falkomagno, Commander
Fircoal(2)-Mr. Squirrel, /
got tonkaed(1)- Iliad
Commander9(3)- VioIet, tails, strike wolf
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(2)- Victor, pcm
Pancakemix(1)- mandy
Falkomagno(6)- Nark, streaker, Haggis, nagerous, edocsil, freezie

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is in 3 days.

[strike wolf]

Sorry vio I got caught up in something else and forgot to post. No I was stating that you had something that could be interpretted as a defense of victor not for being on his bandwagon. I have to disagree with you on a lot of the rest. I would agree with you on mandys vote on pcm being misdirected but unlike you I feel a lot of Mandys post didn't seem very grounded in reality. Especially revolving around falko. I appreciate the fact that regardless of motives and actual effect falko has "prodded" some inactives but for the most part he has avoided much of the discussion, and many of his prods are people who had already been pointed out as inactive. If his goal was to point out people who are inactive wouldn't it be better to point out people who have been inactive but unnoticed than the ones who were already pointed out? And the vote on mandy with the timing really made no sense as he had promised to post the next day. And freezie is right you two have defended each other and he's skimmed. I still suspect commander but based on the wagon dying, deadline closing and increasing evidence against falko, falko is the better choice. unvote vote falko

[Mr. Squirrel]

I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

This quote strikes me as the worst I have seen yet and it has gone wholly unrecognized. Strike is admitting that he has planned out his actions and reactions in this game yet no one thought anything of it. Scum factions are the only ones that can "come into this game" with any sort of plan because they already know who they should and shouldn't target. Townies don't know the roles of others and are more reactionary, as they should be. From very early on, strike has been hounding commander and finding tells that are sometimes accurate but most of the time weak. Frankly, I understand why commander is upset with him.

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

At least you've associated with your scum buddy, so when he falls, I hope you'll be next in line.

I'll assume this is a reference to me. Either way, your logic isn't completely off base but this is another example of you doing the very thing I mentioned earlier for voting you: trying to shoot down a theory against you by asserting the other player's "scumminess" and actually what TG says is something that smart aggressive scum tend to do, paint a non-faction member as a scum by using basic scum tells in order to misdirect town from their own faction.

As has already been brought up, strike mistakenly assumed that commander was insinuating he was scum, when that wasn't what commander meant at all. Seems like an awfully guilty conscious.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

yes mandys theory was insane I never denied that.

You never denied it, but you certainly weren't condemning it as "insane." You were cool headed about it and merely said it had too much "gray-area". Going from ambiguous to blatant rejection of a theory is a far step.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.
I'm going to unvote vote strike

I agree fullheartedly that falko is a good candidate. His attitude seems to be don't get involved discussions that don't involve me and vote prod inactives. It's something that I would expect from someone who's won condition is alternate to town and with his latest random vote on mandy who promised to post the next day in detail it doesn't really appear town oriented.

There were two votes toward falko before this post. Strike doesn't even address why he was so doggedly chasing commander. In fact, he doesn't even put in the effort to show any thought of his own toward the matter of falko. He merely agrees, offers nothing new, and goes along with the current town sentiment.

I still suspect commander but based on the wagon dying, deadline closing and increasing evidence against falko, falko is the better choice. unvote vote falko

He views his push against commander failed so he jumps on the next big BW. Strike just reeks of intelligent scum to me. I'm not saying there isn't a case against falko, but because there is already a strong group focusing on him, I wanted to point out strike's wrongs as well. unvote vote strike wolf

[strike wolf]

I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

This quote strikes me as the worst I have seen yet and it has gone wholly unrecognized. Strike is admitting that he has planned out his actions and reactions in this game yet no one thought anything of it. Scum factions are the only ones that can "come into this game" with any sort of plan because they already know who they should and shouldn't target. Townies don't know the roles of others and are more reactionary, as they should be. From very early on, strike has been hounding commander and finding tells that are sometimes accurate but most of the time weak. Frankly, I understand why commander is upset with him.

I wouldn't say that I have a full blown plan. I had an idea of how I wanted to act and I decided to act in a way I believed would inspire discussion. Maybe not the direction I had hoped...

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

At least you've associated with your scum buddy, so when he falls, I hope you'll be next in line.

I'll assume this is a reference to me. Either way, your logic isn't completely off base but this is another example of you doing the very thing I mentioned earlier for voting you: trying to shoot down a theory against you by asserting the other player's "scumminess" and actually what TG says is something that smart aggressive scum tend to do, paint a non-faction member as a scum by using basic scum tells in order to misdirect town from their own faction.

As has already been brought up, strike mistakenly assumed that commander was insinuating he was scum, when that wasn't what commander meant at all. Seems like an awfully guilty conscious.

*shrugs* false assumption yeah. I've stated about how I felt commanders seeming discrepancxy in attitude didn't sit right with me.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

yes mandys theory was insane I never denied that.

You never denied it, but you certainly weren't condemning it as "insane." You were cool headed about it and merely said it had too much "gray-area". Going from ambiguous to blatant rejection of a theory is a far step.

. So I didn't think one insane theory from mandy was condemning. It's not exactly secret that mandy sometimes comes up with insane theories that everyone agrees are crazy and far fetched (sometimes inaccurate) theories and often as not he comes up as town so no I didn't .find it worth making a big deal overe. I even go on through that post to detail why I thought it was odd and it wasn't just that commander disagreed with mandy's theory it was how he initially pushed for it based on an inaccuracy that was already disproven.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.
I'm going to unvote vote strike

I agree fullheartedly that falko is a good candidate. His attitude seems to be don't get involved discussions that don't involve me and vote prod inactives. It's something that I would expect from someone who's won condition is alternate to town and with his latest random vote on mandy who promised to post the next day in detail it doesn't really appear town oriented.

There were two votes toward falko before this post. Strike doesn't even address why he was so doggedly chasing commander. In fact, he doesn't even put in the effort to show any thought of his own toward the matter of falko. He merely agrees, offers nothing new, and goes along with the current town sentiment.

I still suspect commander but based on the wagon dying, deadline closing and increasing evidence against falko, falko is the better choice. unvote vote falko

He views his push against commander failed so he jumps on the next big BW. Strike just reeks of intelligent scum to me. I'm not saying there isn't a case against falko, but because there is already a strong group focusing on him, I wanted to point out strike's wrongs as well. unvote vote strike wolf

My case against commander has failed. It doesn't make sense me from any perspective to continue insisting on a wagon that wasn't productive with an upcoming deadline. What's there to really add to the falko wagon? We've discussed how vio and falko have defended each other despite falko's otherwise disinterest in discussion while merely pushing inactives who had already either been prodded and the fact he had already skimmed. There really wasn't much to add, it's been said. I offered my take on it and no it wasn't really different from others because there really wasn't anything that I saw that anyone had missed.

[Iliad]

Sorry for not being that active, it's mainly due to being pretty busy with my a sporting thing at my school that culminates on saturday.

I've been quite interested in who sides with whom, as that will probably be important. People I've found somewhat scummy.
Fircoal-excused his inactivity with some poor metagame logic, almost as if he plans on being inactive for the rest of the game. So only been defensive and hasn't really tried helping town. Also basically tried to shut down all discussion happening by decrying it all as metagame and futile.

Commander-haven't found him that scummy, however the way in the really agressive way he tries to shut down discussion about him is somewhat scummy.

Falkomagno-His rather erratic posting has seen him escalate from somewhat scummy to quite a nice day 1 lynch. unvote vote falko.

Note that the above 3 are all voting on mandy.

Vio-basically the same as what I wrote in my last post-doesn't seem that inerested in actually helping town, but falko makes a better lynch and deadline is approaching.

Just a few things I want to point out- while the deadline is approaching 3 dayys is till plenty and we shouldn't try to lynch as fast as we possibly can. 3 days can be enough for a day and plenty of discussion.
Also I'm noticing a lot of metagame discussion, even developing to sax joking about voting / because he's been mafia godfather recently. Metagame reasons shouldn't be used for attacking someone or defending yourself, discussion gets very off-track that way.
Secondly teh

[nagerous]

I'm actually starting to be a lot more suspicious of fircoal. It seems like whilst he is posting actively in other games he is deliberately submarining and laying low in this particular one. This makes his metagame logic posted even more flawed.

I would actually make him my number one suspect now because of this behaviour but the falko wagon seems to be going strong right now so I am going to keep my vote on him.

[mandalorian2298]

Concerning the Falko wagon, unless he does something actually scummy, I do not plan to vote for him during Day 1. I am ready to support PCM's, Commander's or, based on Nag's last post, even Fircoal's lynch, but not Falko's.

Unvote vote Commander, since no one is sharing my suspicion towards PCM.

[Commander9]

Commander-haven't found him that scummy, however the way in the really agressive way he tries to shut down discussion about him is somewhat scummy.

So you shouldn't defended and announce if someone is misusing logic and is trying to lynch you? I don't mind discussions, but that was just an attack blindfolded.

Concerning the Falko wagon, unless he does something actually scummy, I do not plan to vote for him during Day 1. I am ready to support PCM's, Commander's or, based on Nag's last post, even Fircoal's lynch, but not Falko's.

Unvote vote Commander, since no one is sharing my suspicion towards PCM.

For some reason I'm not surprised at this. If what, I'd be willing to take one for the town to get scum down.

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I am growing interested in whether a few of the stray inactive voters are inactive or strategically not contributing to current matters.
I seem to recall fircoal ducking out close to deadline a few times when the deadline closed in and he was on the spot, oh sorry right, noting anything relevant that ever happened in the history of CC before Mar 17, 2011 in this thread seems to aggravate some players.

I suppose I will go back to my first case for the deadline, while I agree with falko's sentiment that inactives need some pressure from time to time, I cannot agree with his statement that a day one solely used to out inactives is the best course of action for town, it seems like wasting time stifling pro-town information and discussion on a game of follow the leader that the mod can largely handle.

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players......

Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. [/b]

If we are looking for a reaction, what is the problem with seeking one from a person that is, you know, reacting?

Unvote vote falko

[pancakemix]

I'd like to hear from falko again before I move my vote at all, as he's -3.

I'd look to mandy as a possible Day 2 lynch candidate. He seems pretty jumpy and almost willfully blind to falko's actions.

I'll post more later when I have time.

[VioIet]

Commander-haven't found him that scummy, however the way in the really agressive way he tries to shut down discussion about him is somewhat scummy.

So you shouldn't defended and announce if someone is misusing logic and is trying to lynch you? I don't mind discussions, but that was just an attack blindfolded.

Commander, I think that was pretty unnecessary. I have read and re-read illiad's post, and he is not attacking you. He never stated that you shouldn't defend yourself and discuss more. Rather I think he was interested in you, for the same reason that I am. It seems as though you are holding in a lot of hostility.

I feel that myself, falko, and perhaps even strike have been voted due to some misunderstandings, but our defences have never reached the level of aggression that yours has. I understand you defending yourself, and being frustrated- but the more you post- the more I am finding something unnerving about it.

For some reason I'm not surprised at this. If what, I'd be willing to take one for the town to get scum down.

That's nice to know, as a lot of people have to do that during day one.

And it is starting to look as though it is close to claiming time for Falko, but I would rather see a current vote count before this happens. We certainly don't want any unncessary claims. Nor do we want anyone to place another vote on him, without him claiming- if he is really that close to a lynch.