POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[strike wolf]

Ahh you're right something about the wording I guess caused me to misread I guess.

[nagerous]

As for your question Falko, isn't all our goal to make some noise and try to find info? The fact you singled my vote ( and my first post in this game, infact ) over all was what I wanted to ask. And anyway, I didn't have to answer as in the same post I explained why I voted Vio ( and it wasn't a serious vote, however due to her own post, I shall keep that vote that way. )


Long post..but anyway.

No. Noise is bad for the game. noise confuses peoples arguments, and things that can go clear for a legitimate lynch, goes underground because of noise.

Asking people reasons for vote is not noise. Is the way to justify yourself. If you are mafia, probably will vote for a townie just making up fake up arguments (therefore, you will feel uncomfortable by asking for explanation), but if you are townie, and after joking stage, you should have some valid points to cast a vote. Valid suspicious.

So, if you are deliberating trying to make noise, it will be according to me a mafia tale. Anyway, noise it can be generated not in purpose, but trying to define legitimate illogical arguments , in that case would be a necessary evil...but so far you are not looking good in my opinion.

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More a comment on playing styles as opposed to a question of scum tells but disagree. Generating noise as a towns folk is a good thing, in fact the more noise, the better as it eventually results in someone tripping up or exposing a little too much of themselves that they wouldn't otherwise have done It is silence that is more of a mafia tell than noise, I stand by the ancient doctrine that silence is scummy. In fact I am going to get that tattooed on my chest.

SILENCE IS SCUMMY except when justified through metagaming.

[pancakemix]

More a comment on playing styles as opposed to a question of scum tells but disagree. Generating noise as a towns folk is a good thing, in fact the more noise, the better as it eventually results in someone tripping up or exposing a little too much of themselves that they wouldn't otherwise have done It is silence that is more of a mafia tell than noise, I stand by the ancient doctrine that silence is scummy. In fact I am going to get that tattooed on my chest.

SILENCE IS SCUMMY except when justified through metagaming.

I can see that. Make sure the qualifier trails off behind your arm.

While it is generally true, we are kind of at the phase where we're being serious (somewhat, I suppose) but don't have anything concrete. So some silence is to be expected. That said, it is also the phase where discussion is most crucial, because with no foundation a game wil simply collapse upon itself.

Right now, I will FOS Vio for bringing clans into this. As freezie said, this is mafia, not clan wars. On top of that, Mass's post just seems like forced activity more than trying to dispel any clan-based connections.

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The argument between Freezie and Falko seems to be partially a misunderstanding form my point of view.
the origin point seems not to stem from any clan related matter, but from this post

And welcome freezie. Been a few months since I've seen you in mafia.

Indeed, been a while..and thanks

And I am going to burst your bubble already by Vote: Violet

why? Because first of all she's trying to get me in her good side

Second is because she stated there is no other ''options''

Right now I see 20 options.

Freezie started off (semi?) joke voting Vio
he immediately followed with an EBWOP due to messing up the bolding, which was questioned by Falko

And I am going to burst your bubble already by Vote: Violet

EBWOP:

Vote: Violet

Bolding is the key...>.<

Joke vote?? or please elaborate...

this indicated he missed the original post that freezie cut from to correct, I responded by noting his skimming, and Freezie responded by questioning him questioning of his joke vote (which I think most likely he didn't know was misread since falko may have only read the second part.)
After this again is ignored freezie brings it up again for falko to respond to

Joke vote?? or please elaborate...

Well, with about 20 votes in the last 8 pages, you target mine for an elaboration? That's kinda quick on the defensive boy..

YOU will need to elaborate your action, not me. FoS: Falko

What about this falko? Avoiding my question and voting for an inactive?

Do you really want to crawl back under your shell after going out wrongly once?

I didn't notice this post. why do you think that is defensive? Ask for explanation is a defensive move? I just want to clarify if there is some solid doubts which deserve a vote, or if we're still in the joke voting. You think that that kind of information is irrelevant? or are you just trying to make some noise?

Once again he claims not to notice the post.
Now I can't say for sure that is what happened, but I don't blame any out of thread matter for this, at least concerning this side of the equation. I do however blame Falko's repeated skimming, which is why my vote is currently on him.

[Commander9]

I'll re-read probably later this weekend - I've been extremely busy this week.

[Victor Sullivan]

I feel responsible to post something, but the comments since my post have not swayed my decision.

Cheers,
Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

Yeah, this is why I make a point of trying to hang him early. So frustrating even when he is on your side.

This is probably by far the truest statement I've ever read about myself in Mafia... a good chance that it's the most hilarious too. Thanks doc - that brightened my day

I agree! Wait, we're talking about Commander, right?

[Fircoal]

I feel responsible to post something, but the comments since my post have not swayed my decision.

Cheers,
Sully

And you're too lazy to try to bring up something or try to find something scummeh.

[nagerous]

SILENCE IS SCUMMY!

[Fircoal]

unvote vote fircoal for inactivity

Lol how funny. I read up to Pancake's post yesterday but never decided to post anything. x3 And then I haven't been online since until today. I'm sure you could find real inactives ;3

What the heck is this post? So u r claiming to be deliberating lurking, and post a meaningless post?. You were prodded my friend
(which probes that you are the most inactive player so far), even if you are townie, which now it seems very unlikely, you are not providing nothing to the game by lurking. Revote for you.

btw, i like the iliad post. It had some valid points.

You know lurking is not the end all of scum tells. There are lots of towns who lurk to. It's just more advantageous for scum to lurk rather than town. Your post at least to me seems quite offensive, when there is really no need to me. I was just saying I'm up to date and here and that the prod on me, at least imo, was kinda unfair.

[edocsil]

unvote vote fircoal for inactivity

Lol how funny. I read up to Pancake's post yesterday but never decided to post anything. x3 And then I haven't been online since until today. I'm sure you could find real inactives ;3

What the heck is this post? So u r claiming to be deliberating lurking, and post a meaningless post?. You were prodded my friend
(which probes that you are the most inactive player so far), even if you are townie, which now it seems very unlikely, you are not providing nothing to the game by lurking. Revote for you.

btw, i like the iliad post. It had some valid points.

You know lurking is not the end all of scum tells. There are lots of towns who lurk to. It's just more advantageous for scum to lurk rather than town. Your post at least to me seems quite offensive, when there is really no need to me. I was just saying I'm up to date and here and that the prod on me, at least imo, was kinda unfair.

I like hanging inactives. It isn't really because it helps the town (debatable either way) I just hate it when some asshole signs up and then decides to not but in any effort to play the game. So long story short Fir IDC if you find it offensive, just play the game.

[Fircoal]

unvote vote fircoal for inactivity

Lol how funny. I read up to Pancake's post yesterday but never decided to post anything. x3 And then I haven't been online since until today. I'm sure you could find real inactives ;3

What the heck is this post? So u r claiming to be deliberating lurking, and post a meaningless post?. You were prodded my friend
(which probes that you are the most inactive player so far), even if you are townie, which now it seems very unlikely, you are not providing nothing to the game by lurking. Revote for you.

btw, i like the iliad post. It had some valid points.

You know lurking is not the end all of scum tells. There are lots of towns who lurk to. It's just more advantageous for scum to lurk rather than town. Your post at least to me seems quite offensive, when there is really no need to me. I was just saying I'm up to date and here and that the prod on me, at least imo, was kinda unfair.

I like hanging inactives. It isn't really because it helps the town (debatable either way) I just hate it when some asshole signs up and then decides to not but in any effort to play the game. So long story short Fir IDC if you find it offensive, just play the game.

And guess what? I am playing the game!

[safariguy5]

Announcement

TA1LGUNN3R has replaced cena-rules

[sheepofdumb]

I'll sign up as a sub safari

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Confirmed.

K I've got a few suspects. FOS on Commie and /, smaller FOS on Strike.

unvote semiserious vote victor he's been on at least twice since game started but hasn't confirmed.

FoS Strike.

Isn't it one of the biggest scumtells when someone goes for an easy target (lynch) day 1? I'm even more worried how fast the BW formed. If what, I'm sure Safari will replace someone who hasn't opened his role PM - no need to use him as our lynch.

It's also a scumtell (at least one that I've used) to target someone who is going after someone who targets an easy lynch. (It makes sense I swear). A sort of one-up, where you as scum see a townie going after an inactive or n00b using an established scumtell as an excuse. Another scumtell is to lament about how quickly BWs form, when a D1 lynch would be unlikely over activity. Even / had a few game days to be inactive before he got outed as GF in 2 games ( that's still hilarious).

Unvote. Vote Streaker.;;

My first semi-serious vote goes to Streaker for being the 4th person on the BW (just a casual vote because people voted above him) and encouraging others to join (even if it wasn't completely serious.).

Another is to stick to mechanics like "so-and-so was the ith person to join the BW", which you've done here.

I don't remember if mandy's vote is still on Commander, but I will be joining him. His reasoning seemed okay to me (and I'm American). vote Commie

Rather than post the entire quote: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3079170#p3079170

Why I have suspicions of /. Purely meta mind you. (He's been scum a lot recently ) Here he mediates everything, and recaps everything that's going on, which I've seen him do before. He does have a vote on falko for skimming, I believe (meh).

Strike because his posts have been "wtf?" so far. He's high or something.

-Tails

[Falkomagno]

@fircoal: So, you acknowledge that lurking is more scummy than townish...so...why are you deliberately lurking?

@Violet: My dear, I've been playing Mafia for a while, I know the game but I was just a little away for a while. In general terms is not good idea to attach clan relationships or personal reasons to cast votes or to defend people. Even if I would feel terrible voting for you, my sweet love

@Nagerus: I'm not saying that noise is better than silence, and of course silence is scummy, that's why i vote for the inactive (at that point fircoal). But in the ranking -i would prefer clear reasons than noise, of course. Saying that noise in discussion is desirable is rubbish. I stated that if is generated by a honest towny is a inevitable evil, but is in general terms a bad thing. But it seems like this line of though is more related with play styles rather than actual scum-tells, so maybe let this in the realm of opinion.



Well, I agree with "/" about the origin of the disagreement with Frezzie, since I honestly didn't read his entire post. but my question was legit, since he was casting a "semi joke" vote. what the heck is a "semi joke" vote. That was the point that I wanted to determine. how serious was his vote. Now it seems like he is reaffirming his doubts against violet, even if it seems in my opinion because he thought that i was defending her, which is a misinterpretation.

So, I want to consult to the people in this game to luck the post of anarkist, since it seems to me really scummy, just showing up from time to time, throwing shallow judges without a real compromise.

[strike wolf]

I'm a bit tired so I don't want to make another long post at the risk of sounding like an idiot again but I do think it's a tad ironic that Fircoal was lecturing victor about his activity. As his posts have mostly been short remarks not helping the game thread at all or defending the fact that he was lurking. FOS Fircoal

[Streaker]

I'm a bit tired so I don't want to make another long post at the risk of sounding like an idiot again but I do think it's a tad ironic that Fircoal was lecturing victor about his activity. As his posts have mostly been short remarks not helping the game thread at all or defending the fact that he was lurking. FOS Fircoal

Same goes to Victor. Making small posts and remarks (can't even call them remarks...), but at least he isn't defending lurking.

[Mr. Squirrel]

SILENCE IS SCUMMY!

THAT IS NOT HELPING US AT ALL!
Sorry, nag, but even the greenest newbie can point out a lurker. Going on about quiet people is not gonna help the town at all. I expect better from you.

That said, fircoal's responses have seemed quite unlike him. He on one hand agrees that he is lurking, but then claims that our accusations are unfair. His words go back and forth and seem to contradict themselves. Thats enough for a vote chu if you ask me.

[Anarkistsdream]

Unfortunately, most of us have just been showing up and making shallow comments based on the few posts above us. There isn't much else that can be done except for just random voting.

So far, I find each person accusing one other person of doing something that irritates the first player. Whether it be accusing someone of lurking, making pointless posts, or questioning activity.

Everyone here looks pretty guilty to me, honestly, and I would have little trouble throwing a vote around, but I don't plan on doing that just yet. Why? Because people are using votes against the people that made them. If it were my ability to do so, I would vote for Commander, Nagerous, AND Victor. But since I can't, I'm gonna wait to see what cases are made against these people and by these people.

Everyone always says I play scummy, so I'll do better and try to take care of business, but it means I will post less, as I'm not gonna have someone jump on me for these little irritations that people can find.

[strike wolf]

Ok general thoughts:

1. victor-has barely posted. One post apologizing, one post inaccurately analyzing what I had said and done at that point and one post where he pretty much just said he has nothing to say before commenting on some random remark that really didn't have anything to do with anyone. This was after his early game non-appearance that I drew attention to earlier huge fos victor.

2. streaker-honestly looking back not much of a case. 4th vote on a wagon and that's about it.

3. vio-Not really sure what to say about vio...spent much of the early game lamenting that victor was inevitably going to be lynched at L-7 (it's not that common that the first person to have a serious bandwagon is lynched day 1 vio) than later spent time lamenting victor's lack of posting before getting involved in an odd series of comments revolving around falko's claimed lurking and interest in freezie's vote against vio.

4. Falko- Pops up to post about questions regarding freezie's vote on vio...seemed innocent enough at time but comments since seems to paint him as a skimmer and vio's actions reveal a possible real connection.

5. Fircoal-helping very little with the game yet attacking victor for the same thing. don't like the double standards and I think Fircoal is a better player than this.

6. Nagerous-outside of defending his part in the victor wagon has not commented much especially anything with substance. Possibly a general lack of activity but overall considering he's a veteran player this unnerves me.

7. Mandy-has contributed mainly through one lone theory on commander that seemed a bit of a stretch especially considering he only has one real game playing with commander that he used to justify his actions and appears to have gone underground for the last few pages.

8. Saxlad-this is more of a general call about lack of activity. Hasn't posted since very early in the day however I believe he's also been only sparsely active elsewhere during that time so doesn't warrant a vote.

9. Mass miracle-posting very very little. In his last post he's blatantly distanced himself from vio for not wanting to spread the clan mate issue.

10. commander-probably the most erratic and scummy behavior of anyone thus far. Associated himself with victor by defending him and attacking any comments that seem to be made in disagreement to him. Accused mandy based on an inaccuracy that had already been said to be false by mandy and explained why it was false by someone else when he made his comment which makes his post seem like a purposeful mistranslation that he tried to use to his advantage. His behavior to me appears aggressive yet misdirected behavior more intent on shooting down certain theories especially those against him than really positively contribute to the game.



With all this being said I think our best strategy still goes to exploring the commander/victor connection or the vio/falko connection. seeing as I believe Vio already has more votes on her than commander and I believe that combined commander and victor appear more scummy than vio I will vote commander

[Commander9]

pfft, nitpicker.
Besides eastern europe isn't so much about geography as it is about ... erm ... let's call it culture

Hmm, to be fair, if we're not talking in geographical sense... this is very true

SILENCE IS SCUMMY!

So is posting without any substance.

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

At least you've associated with your scum buddy, so when he falls, I hope you'll be next in line.

Unfortunately, most of us have just been showing up and making shallow comments based on the few posts above us. There isn't much else that can be done except for just random voting.

So far, I find each person accusing one other person of doing something that irritates the first player. Whether it be accusing someone of lurking, making pointless posts, or questioning activity.

Everyone here looks pretty guilty to me, honestly, and I would have little trouble throwing a vote around, but I don't plan on doing that just yet. Why? Because people are using votes against the people that made them. If it were my ability to do so, I would vote for Commander, Nagerous, AND Victor. But since I can't, I'm gonna wait to see what cases are made against these people and by these people.

Everyone always says I play scummy, so I'll do better and try to take care of business, but it means I will post less, as I'm not gonna have someone jump on me for these little irritations that people can find.

I'm really not expecting anything coherent, but may you point out the reason why you think I am scummy?

@ Strike:

It seems you may be forgetting that I was the one who encouraged discussion and helped the game move out of the game stage. Furthermore, there really was no connection between me and Victor - please read my earlier posts and you'll notice that all I did was said that it doesn't make sense to do a BW on Victor, when we know that if he won't be active, he'll be replaced. All I see here is a disguised OMGUS vote, but it's fine.

[Anarkistsdream]

@Commander

Partially metagaming reasons...

Besides that, you have voted three or four different people, and you basically play devil's advocate with anything ANYBODY says. Every time someone makes an insinuation or accusation, no matter WHO it is on, you jump in to post a contrary statement. You may agree with somebody once or twice, but you are ALWAYS disagreeing. It makes you seem like you are just trying to misdirect everyone, as opposed to progress the game- which is what you claim you are always doing.

[Haggis_McMutton]

pfft, nitpicker.
Besides eastern europe isn't so much about geography as it is about ... erm ... let's call it culture

Hmm, to be fair, if we're not talking in geographical sense... this is very true

SILENCE IS SCUMMY!

So is posting without any substance.

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

At least you've associated with your scum buddy, so when he falls, I hope you'll be next in line.

Unfortunately, most of us have just been showing up and making shallow comments based on the few posts above us. There isn't much else that can be done except for just random voting.

So far, I find each person accusing one other person of doing something that irritates the first player. Whether it be accusing someone of lurking, making pointless posts, or questioning activity.

Everyone here looks pretty guilty to me, honestly, and I would have little trouble throwing a vote around, but I don't plan on doing that just yet. Why? Because people are using votes against the people that made them. If it were my ability to do so, I would vote for Commander, Nagerous, AND Victor. But since I can't, I'm gonna wait to see what cases are made against these people and by these people.

Everyone always says I play scummy, so I'll do better and try to take care of business, but it means I will post less, as I'm not gonna have someone jump on me for these little irritations that people can find.

I'm really not expecting anything coherent, but may you point out the reason why you think I am scummy?

@ Strike:

It seems you may be forgetting that I was the one who encouraged discussion and helped the game move out of the game stage. Furthermore, there really was no connection between me and Victor - please read my earlier posts and you'll notice that all I did was said that it doesn't make sense to do a BW on Victor, when we know that if he won't be active, he'll be replaced. All I see here is a disguised OMGUS vote, but it's fine.

The tone of this post really caught me off-guard. I don't think I've ever seen you as aggressive, but it's not even aggressive towards theories like I sometimes am, this is borderline personal attacks.

Dunno, what to think about this, FOS worthy at the very least.
I wanna re-read your posts before I commit to a vote though.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

Lol, no silly, I am saying that calling others out for "classic" scumtells, when you know that person is town, would also be a scum maneuver. One of the best weapons for scum is to sow confusion and spread mistrust on others. That is very easy to do.

You were saying to go after an inactive is scummy (it can be--but it's very obvious). To go after Victor for inactivity is another story. To see person A going after Victor for inactivity is an opportunity.

-Tails