The Murder Of Albarezzi- End Game- Mafia Wins!

[safariguy5]

I have strong reason to believe that this game isn't a nonvanilla, as I'm pretty sure at least one person got stuck with a vanilla town role. But for all the town power roles that we supposedly have- the mafia must also be pretty strong.

Also i disagree that there are 3 mafia and a SK. That is just too much for an 11 player game. I'd say either 2 mafia and a SK, or only three mafia and no SK.

If all the claims are correct so far- simple math would put at least two scum out of /, Commander and myself, as we are the only three who have not claimed.

I think right now the odds are over 90% that / is scum. And whether that pans out or not- I think commander should be our target tomorrow.

I will unvote for now. Really want to vote /, but I'll give him a few more hours to defend himself, before I throw a vote in.

As I was re-reading, I saw this claim. Was a bit too late, though...

Also, ugh... really bad night for us. Lets look @ scene....

In the bar that night everyone engaged in Conversation about the day that had gone. Sully was brutally kidnapped, but nobody minded because the deputy from the next town, nagerous had dropped in and decided to stay and help.

However some people wernt so lucky.

VioIet wasnt sure that people were trusting her, and she found it really hard to contribute. Crying at the back of the pub a man walked up to her. "hey whats up"
"oh hey. What you doing here"
"Killing You" and with that he brought out a knife and quickly slit her jugular, only to find there was no reason for the town not to trust her!!

VioIet (Scummy Vanilla Townie) has died.

This looks like the kill that Nark has been talking about - I am 99% sure it was him. We know that he did what he said, but this doesn't make me want to trust him any bit more...

Round the other side of the pub something similar was happening. Someone in the town needed to do a job outside and had completely forgotten, so they managed to rope in Edocsil to do it for them. Unfortunately it was the last job he was ever going to do, as the mafia man dressed in a black greatcoat came up behind him, put a gun to his temple and shot

Edocsil (Town Inspectors Son)- (Tracking ability) has died.

Well, Saf, nicely done - well protected That's IF you wanted to actually protect him. Damnit... At least we still got our cop (Nag).

Later on a hushed conversation took on in the pub. "So we want you."
"What?"
"Yeah, will you do it?"
"Of course it will be my honour."
"Good. I will contact you soon"

The man was stunned as the other man in the black greatcoat walked away from the table.

And what the hell is this? Masons? Cult? I think I might have an idea, but let me think it through.

Somebody targeted me, I busdrove myself with edocsil because I thought someone was going target him.

Sorry to say this, but I'm starting to get a feeling that you may not be *town aligned* bus driver....

It doesn't mean that we can't learn something from his death. A. it means that we have to protect nagerous at all costs (and I won't get in the way). B. It means that DoomYoshi becomes a person of great interest.

It could be that he is some sort of doctor. If he was quack, and really did target edocsil, then I should have died as well unless there's another saving role. If he's not a quack doctor, then I suspect that someone targeted me to make it look like he was responsible. I know this is WIFOM, but probably the most heated argument yesterday was between me and him. Also, if we are to believe drabod's JOAT status, that means that he didn't use his killing ability.

[DoomYoshi]

I did target edoc. Also, I was under the impression that the mafia godfather had to call in the kills. Are we just dealing with Nark and a SK here? Or Nark and the JOAT?

[Commander9]

It doesn't mean that we can't learn something from his death. A. it means that we have to protect nagerous at all costs (and I won't get in the way). B. It means that DoomYoshi becomes a person of great interest.

It could be that he is some sort of doctor. If he was quack, and really did target edocsil, then I should have died as well unless there's another saving role. If he's not a quack doctor, then I suspect that someone targeted me to make it look like he was responsible. I know this is WIFOM, but probably the most heated argument yesterday was between me and him. Also, if we are to believe drabod's JOAT status, that means that he didn't use his killing ability.

We don't "know" what Drabod did - his kill might have failed, he might have used the kill and succeeded (2 kills), he might be responsible for the last part of the story... I'd love to look deeper into Nark's and Drabod's story last night. We got lucky with / yesterday (although there were a couple of people who suggested to go with him (edoc, me, Safari)), so we need to build up on that. I'll make a re-read (sometime this week) and I'll try to find some more scum tells.

I did target edoc. Also, I was under the impression that the mafia godfather had to call in the kills. Are we just dealing with Nark and a SK here? Or Nark and the JOAT?

Mafia definitely didn't have just the GF, so there's at least 1 more (probably 2), but we don't know whether they inherited the kill (most likely they did, though). Also, we're not sure exactly about the kills - lets wait to hear what Nark/Drabod have to say. And Nag, what about your cop investigations?

[Anarkistsdream]

OK, so here's what's up with me...

I did kill Violet... Though I would have liked to have not sounded like a murderous moron as Saxlad put it...

Hahaha.

Anyway, I know what Drabod did, but he hasn't replied what he found to me, so we will have to wait for him to post it. I can tell you what he told me... He only has two abilities. Protect and investigate... I guess I am the other part of that power, which seems to balance the game out more, honestly, so good job Saxlad on that one.

Drabod investigated someone.

[edocsil]

GG, didn't really expect to make it through the night. I will have to settle for leading the wagon on the GF.

[pancakemix]

Somebody targeted me, I busdrove myself with edocsil because I thought someone was going target him.

Didn't he tell you NOT to do that?

It could be that he is some sort of doctor. If he was quack, and really did target edocsil, then I should have died as well unless there's another saving role. If he's not a quack doctor, then I suspect that someone targeted me to make it look like he was responsible. I know this is WIFOM, but probably the most heated argument yesterday was between me and him. Also, if we are to believe drabod's JOAT status, that means that he didn't use his killing ability.

Wasn't a main point of your argument against him WIFOM? I'm with Commander, I still don't think you're quite on the level.

I'm somewhat more inclined to believe Nark. Somewhat.

I'll wait to hear what Nag and Drabod have to offer.

[safariguy5]

Somebody targeted me, I busdrove myself with edocsil because I thought someone was going target him.

Didn't he tell you NOT to do that?

It could be that he is some sort of doctor. If he was quack, and really did target edocsil, then I should have died as well unless there's another saving role. If he's not a quack doctor, then I suspect that someone targeted me to make it look like he was responsible. I know this is WIFOM, but probably the most heated argument yesterday was between me and him. Also, if we are to believe drabod's JOAT status, that means that he didn't use his killing ability.

Wasn't a main point of your argument against him WIFOM? I'm with Commander, I still don't think you're quite on the level.

I'm somewhat more inclined to believe Nark. Somewhat.

I'll wait to hear what Nag and Drabod have to offer.

This is what he said:

Not the target you are thinking however. Leave the whole nark and drab thing to me and Vic. I just pray that the docs prevent us from getting killed.

As for balance, we were told there was a SK in the flavor so we know she is there. There should be 3 scum with the kind of power the town supposedly is carrying. I have never seen a 2 man scum team in a game with more then 8 players

Fair enough, although, IMO, if that's indeed your plan, it would probably be smart to use both of those on the same one. For example, if Anark is GF and you will investigate him and track Drabod, you may not very good results and vice versa. If you'd do the same thing and they're scum, you'll get one good result from either of our roles (If it's GF, tracker will show the kill, if it's a mafia goon, cop will show scum).

Only problem is, there's only 1 confirmed doc and supposedly 1 JOAT with as yet unknown options. And me, but edoc seems reluctant to let me help...

Just don't switch me with one of the people on the kill list and don't target Anark.

I wasn't on the kill list because I claimed and I didn't target Nark. I targeted myself. Which means someone targeted me for a night kill, and since Nark said he targeted Vio, that means the mafia targeted me for a night kill.

So if Yoshi is telling the truth about targeting edocsil, then at worst, his doctor sanity is probably naive, not quack. Assuming he's telling the truth about being the doctor that is.

[pancakemix]

I wasn't on the kill list because I claimed and I didn't target Nark. I targeted myself. Which means someone targeted me for a night kill, and since Nark said he targeted Vio, that means the mafia targeted me for a night kill.

So if Yoshi is telling the truth about targeting edocsil, then at worst, his doctor sanity is probably naive, not quack. Assuming he's telling the truth about being the doctor that is.

And what if I don't believe you targeted yourself? And that doesn't imply anything about Yoshi's sanity because you switched edoc OUT of protection, not into it.

[spiesr]

And what if I don't believe you targeted yourself? And that doesn't imply anything about Yoshi's sanity because you switched edoc OUT of protection, not into it.

It implies the DoomYoshi does not kill the people he targets, but that is it. If you don't believe what he is saying then that should lead you to the conclusion that he is most likely scum and therefor you should lynch him.

[safariguy5]

I wasn't on the kill list because I claimed and I didn't target Nark. I targeted myself. Which means someone targeted me for a night kill, and since Nark said he targeted Vio, that means the mafia targeted me for a night kill.

So if Yoshi is telling the truth about targeting edocsil, then at worst, his doctor sanity is probably naive, not quack. Assuming he's telling the truth about being the doctor that is.

And what if I don't believe you targeted yourself? And that doesn't imply anything about Yoshi's sanity because you switched edoc OUT of protection, not into it.

The protection would fall on me, meaning if it was a quack doctor, I should have died as well.

[Anarkistsdream]

Honestly, Safari... What you are saying doesn't really sit well on the mind. Most people would never busdrive themselves... Hell, i thought you couldn't do that anyway.

[safariguy5]

Honestly, Safari... What you are saying doesn't really sit well on the mind. Most people would never busdrive themselves... Hell, i thought you couldn't do that anyway.

What?? Fircoal and ga7 do that all the time.

[Commander9]

What?? Fircoal and ga7 do that all the time.

I will confirm that I've seen Ga7 doing that, but I also agree with the others and also stand with what I've said earlier - something is very fishy here. What PCM suggested (and it looks like you ignored) is that you could have also easily driven Edoc INTO the danger, which wouldn't make any sense... unless you were a Mafia Busdriver.

I also have another suggestion - all of us could provide everyone with our 3 top suspects or what we generally think about the players. First of all, it would help us to sort out feelings towards people AND also give us a chance to find "holes" in the stories or reasons.

Confirmed townies who I'm sure told us the truth:
Yoshi - I'm fairly sure he's the town doctor and the main reason he has looked suspicious is more so due to his inexperience than anything else.
Nagerous - Edoc has already proved that he's the town's cop.
PCM - I'm pretty much completely sure that he IS the governor.

People I'm unsure over:
spiesr - generally appears to have acted pro-town, but I also think that the PR is suspicious (perhaps a possible cultist?)

People I find the scummiest:
Nark/Drabod - something with this pair still doesn't add up, IMO.
safari - claimed busdriver who was supposed to protect the town (Edoc didn't want to at first, but conceded later) and the person that was supposed to be protected ends up dead in suspicious circumstances.

[spiesr]

I appear to have forgotten to add the requisite amount of crazy to my last post. So this one if have to have a little extra.

GG, didn't really expect to make it through the night. I will have to settle for leading the wagon on the GF.

With the world coming to an end so soon then isn't that really the best we can all hope for?

I did kill Violet... Though I would have liked to have not sounded like a murderous moron as Saxlad put it... Hahaha.

You should be careful, so much unrepentant violence is sure to provoke the wrath of Neptune. Can you handle being the one responsible for our beloved town sinking into the sea? You claim to be a man of love, why is it that you have an unquenchable desire for blood? What is your true motivation?

Also, I was under the impression that the mafia godfather had to call in the kills.

Depending on the mod the godfather may be the player appointed responsible for sending in the kill. However, in most games killing the godfather does nor remove the remaining mafia's ability to kill at night. The mafia's killing ability is usually treated as a collective power rather than being assigned to an individual member. The vile taint will continue to menace our society until they are all gone. Just as how driving the rats from our land will not prevent the coming doom, the bats, or crows, or toads will gladly take their place as pestilence.

Honestly, Safari... What you are saying doesn't really sit well on the mind. Most people would never busdrive themselves... Hell, i thought you couldn't do that anyway.

In the recently finished Rolegift Mafia multiple players used attempt to busdrive themselves to avoid being killed. (In two of the cases this actually lead to their death.) Since safariguy was in that game I can see where he got the idea from. Of course he could also have got the idea to fake claim this action from there as well. He could have got the idea stuck in his head that this is just what busdrivers do so that is what he should claim. If he really is as suicidal in this game as some of his posts have made him out to be then I could see him trying to sacrifice himself to save someone more important. Perhaps he has headed my warning and decided to try to make is inevitable death more meaningful? This all raises one very important question though. Why would the mafia try to kill safariguy? There were more valuable targets. (Unless those people who have claimed such role are actually the mafia.) Safariguy is under suspicion and stood decent chance of being lynched today. (Unless cleared by a cop investigation.) Why would the scum target such a player? Could they have feared his potential ability to make them kill themselves? This just seems fishy to there is certainly the possibility that safariguy simply is scum and this confusion spawns from his fake claim being less than watertight.

Oh, and I've been told not to trust Violet. FYI.

Violet coming up as a "Scummy Vanilla Townie" sheds some interesting light on this. Since she is dead can we now know what exactly you were told or must it remain a secret to all mortals? Would the revelation rend our minds asunder?
Anyhow, we still need to hear from Drabod and nagerous as to the results of their investigations before we make any final decisions for the day. If we are reckless we only hasten our doom...

[Drabod]

I investigated Commander this night, leaving me left over with a track and a protect i do not have a "kill", Commander flagged up mafia simple,

Vote Commander.

[Drabod]

VOTE COMMANDER

[safariguy5]

Follow the cop, vote commander

[Commander9]

Very convenient - one of the duo that I have called out and the "good" busdriver find me guilty. What will you guys do when I flip innocent?

[pancakemix]

Very convenient - one of the duo that I have called out and the "good" busdriver find me guilty. What will you guys do when I flip innocent?

I'm not completely sure here. It's very possible that you could be scum. It's also very possible there's a framer (yes, I am still on that). Regardless, you'd better claim fast. You're the only one who hasn't done so.

[Commander9]

I'm not completely sure here. It's very possible that you could be scum. It's also very possible there's a framer (yes, I am still on that). Regardless, you'd better claim fast. You're the only one who hasn't done so.

I see no problems here - I am Reginald De Boer, Traveling Dutch Merchant. Basically, I've been traveling around Europe selling "merchandise" (quoted from PM) and I've recently found myself being extremely successful selling my stuff and I've decided to stay in this town. I can sell some of my merchandise every night to one person rendering him unable to use his night actions (Basically, a roleblocker). I've roleblocked spiesr tonight.

[Anarkistsdream]

Vote Commander

I trust drabod.

[spiesr]

Well, I can neither confirm or disprove your claim to have blocked me, as I have no night actions. Contrary to what some people have assumed, my role is not Survivor, but rather Insane Vanilla Townie, whatever that may mean. Saxland appears to be using "vanilla" to mean no night action, as opposed to ordinary townie with no special features.

(quoted from PM)

Burn the witch! This heresy shall bring the Gods' wrath down upon us.
I will not place a vote on Commander at this time since he is at L-2 and I don't want someone to hammer before we get information from nagerous and whatnot. But you are currently my number one suspect.

I can sell some of my merchandise every night to one person rendering him unable to use his night actions (Basically, a roleblocker). I've roleblocked spiesr tonight.

What sort of twisted merchandise are you selling? (And more importantly selling to me!)

[pancakemix]

I'm not completely sure here. It's very possible that you could be scum. It's also very possible there's a framer (yes, I am still on that). Regardless, you'd better claim fast. You're the only one who hasn't done so.

I see no problems here - I am Reginald De Boer, Traveling Dutch Merchant. Basically, I've been traveling around Europe selling "merchandise" (quoted from PM) and I've recently found myself being extremely successful selling my stuff and I've decided to stay in this town. I can sell some of my merchandise every night to one person rendering him unable to use his night actions (Basically, a roleblocker). I've roleblocked spiesr tonight.

Why spiesr?

Sounds believable, at the very least. Then again, given /'s claim, I won't rule fake claims out. I still want to hear from nag, though, so I say hold off on any more votes.

[Commander9]

I just ask for one thing - if I'll be lynched and turn innocent, please, please take a look at Nark/Drabod (likely Safari as well, but I he's not as suspicious as those two). I've really said everything that I can and you can now judge me by my actions and claim. Even if I'll be lynched, please look back at my previous posts (and this one) to make your judgement and don't blindly follow our "masons."

[DoomYoshi]

Why are you 100% that pcm is the governor commander?