The Murder Of Albarezzi- End Game- Mafia Wins!

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because "came up town" = town in a game with two mafia factions, IE: 2/11 possible mafia godfathers?
The only reason I would believe this claim is if the lover came forward, but that won't happen either because they are the Jack of All Trades supposedly sealing the whole "It's impossible to lynch me" fakeclaim deal.

Dude where did you came up with these 2 GF's? Most of the Albarezzi's were murdered and only 2 remain and they kind of seem like the good guys.

"What they didn’t know however that both groups were plotting to kill each other, The Mafia to get rid of the killer and the Town to be rid of the mafia"
Yes, I am sure they are plotting to kill the entire town in vengeance out of the goodness of their hearts...

[Commander9]

"What they didn’t know however that both groups were plotting to kill each other, The Mafia to get rid of the killer and the Town to be rid of the mafia"
Yes, I am sure they are plotting to kill the entire town in vengeance out of the goodness of their hearts...

Okay, I missed that part - very good catch. Still, 2 GF's with mafia seems like awfully lot of scum, but this definitely could make sense about Anark's game so far and why he's been so... "interesting."

[safariguy5]

because "came up town" = town in a game with two mafia factions, IE: 2/11 possible mafia godfathers?
The only reason I would believe this claim is if the lover came forward, but that won't happen either because they are the Jack of All Trades supposedly sealing the whole "It's impossible to lynch me" fakeclaim deal.

Dude where did you came up with these 2 GF's? Most of the Albarezzi's were murdered and only 2 remain and they kind of seem like the good guys.

"What they didn’t know however that both groups were plotting to kill each other, The Mafia to get rid of the killer and the Town to be rid of the mafia"
Yes, I am sure they are plotting to kill the entire town in vengeance out of the goodness of their hearts...

I read it as a mafia faction and probably a SKer. Dunno how there'd be room for two mafia and a town faction given the size.

[edocsil]

because "came up town" = town in a game with two mafia factions, IE: 2/11 possible mafia godfathers?
The only reason I would believe this claim is if the lover came forward, but that won't happen either because they are the Jack of All Trades supposedly sealing the whole "It's impossible to lynch me" fakeclaim deal.

Dude where did you came up with these 2 GF's? Most of the Albarezzi's were murdered and only 2 remain and they kind of seem like the good guys.

"What they didn’t know however that both groups were plotting to kill each other, The Mafia to get rid of the killer and the Town to be rid of the mafia"
Yes, I am sure they are plotting to kill the entire town in vengeance out of the goodness of their hearts...

I read it as a mafia faction and probably a SKer. Dunno how there'd be room for two mafia and a town faction given the size.

There is not.

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So then "the notorious Mallini Mafia" is just a red herring? if that's so then there's all the more evidence that the "Town Vigilante Killer" is the town "Murdered a family and set off a war Serial Killer" given the setup there is no room for two mafia, but there is room for four killers?

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Re-thinking it, if the killer does want only to kill the mafia who wants to kill the town, it's a bit more black and white. There is a slim possibility that the brothers are a "sibling" type role, so I'll keep a watch on that one, but it's not such a pressing matter at this point... especially if I was under the wrong assumption in the first place about the flavor of the opening scene.
I'll unvote

[spiesr]

Dude where did you came up with these 2 GF's? Most of the Albarezzi's were murdered and only 2 remain and they kind of seem like the good guys.

So you know there are two people in they mafia and think they seem like they are "good guys." I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion. Could it be becuase you are in the mafia and would like us to think that they are somehow not anti-town? An FOS for commander.

[Commander9]

So you know there are two people in they mafia and think they seem like they are "good guys." I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion. Could it be becuase you are in the mafia and would like us to think that they are somehow not anti-town? An FOS for commander.

[quote="TheSaxlad"]The Albarezzi Mafia had happily ruled the town of Napolina for nigh on half a Century, the town was a thriving industry, and nobody really cared because the Mafia respected the Townspeople and the Townspeople respected the Mafia. Anyway anybody in the town could be the mafia so nobody really cared. Even So, All of this was about to change...[/quote="TheSaxlad"]

[quote="TheSaxlad"]On the 28th February 1950 Julio Albarezzi head of the Albarezzi Family made a broadcast over radio commenting on the notorious Mallini Mafia. That night Albarezzi, his wife and one son were murdered in their beds leaving his other son and brother alive[/quote="TheSaxlad"]

[pancakemix]

The Albarezzi Mafia had happily ruled the town of Napolina for nigh on half a Century, the town was a thriving industry, and nobody really cared because the Mafia respected the Townspeople and the Townspeople respected the Mafia. Anyway anybody in the town could be the mafia so nobody really cared. Even So, All of this was about to change...

On the 28th February 1950 Julio Albarezzi head of the Albarezzi Family made a broadcast over radio commenting on the notorious Mallini Mafia. That night Albarezzi, his wife and one son were murdered in their beds leaving his other son and brother alive

That seems to hint at there being two Albarezzi. But there's one thing you didn't quote:

When they found him in the morning a note was left by his bed:
‘Your mafia leader has outraged us, so everyone who knew him will die. Anon.

Note the use of plural. I think the idea that the Mallini are involved in some capacity is highly fathomable. If we conjecture that there are two Albarezzi and that there are Mallini then it should follow that, given the use of plural, there would be two of them as well. Assuming there are no 3rd parties, this leaves us with a ratio of 7:2:2 (T:A:B). Seems reasonable to me. Thoughts on this?

[DoomYoshi]

Dude where did you came up with these 2 GF's? Most of the Albarezzi's were murdered and only 2 remain and they kind of seem like the good guys.

So you know there are two people in they mafia and think they seem like they are "good guys." I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion. Could it be becuase you are in the mafia and would like us to think that they are somehow not anti-town? An FOS for commander.

I fully understood Commander here, as he wrote above. I was under the impression we were operating under 3 factions for a while. It has now occured to me that the two surviving Alaberezzi's could just be indistinguishable from town except for their power role or whatever. Although it could also be that the new mafia is just a fictional clan made up by the surviving brothers to secure power for themselves. As we can not gleam too much from the opening post until we find out some character's names, perhaps the line of argument would be best spent elsewhere.

[Victor Sullivan]

Damn, I was really counting on those solar flares

Reading through this, I admittedly was doubtful of edoc's original accusation against Yoshi, but the giant BS post defending his votes toward Nark and me made my scummeter go off the charts. Though I still believe there's a definite possibility that Nark is aligned with one of the two mafia (the jumpy claims and quick-lynch attempt have not been and will not be forgotten), the potential killing of both a town vig and a JOAT would be a major blow to the town's efforts. I do find it odd that a vig and a JOAT would be paired together, though, seems like that would unbalance the town faction a lot. I'm curious if one of the two in Nark's pair is mafia, the other town. I suppose it is TheSaxlad's first game... Idk, maybe I'm over-thinking, but Nark's claim will be investigated tonight, so that should be resolved (mostly) tomorrow.

Without further ado: unvote vote DoomYoshi

[DoomYoshi]

Victor, were you told that edoc is your son in the role pm? Do you have any information regarding his role in all this?

[Victor Sullivan]

Victor, were you told that edoc is your son in the role pm? Do you have any information regarding his role in all this?

Yup, he's my next of kin! I told him to play nice or I wouldn't include him in the will

[DoomYoshi]

So I am at 4 votes and Nark already said I am his number one enemy, and expressed his willingness to hammer people earlier. So I am effectively at L -1 here. I can give a role claim if required, but it would make me useless to the town then, except as a voter. At this point I am not given much choice. I cannot defend myself in a reasonable manner, as the complaints lodged against me are matters of public record. If I try to focus blame elsewhere, it is seen as further proof that I am mafia.

I do have one major point to make though, since this may be the last major point I can make. I have played in exactly 1 mafia game before this, and I was a mafia framer. From what I can tell, 100% of games have framers. Both Sully and edoc are extremely confident that Nark can be investigated. However, since investigating Nark has been brought up a million times now, the chance that a framer would target him is very high. I want to know as much as anyone what Nark's REAL story is. I do not share your confidence in the detective though. Perhaps the third party is not represented by a SK, but rather a SF (serial framer). I am not basing this on anything, of course, just a conjecture.

[edocsil]

So I am at 4 votes and Nark already said I am his number one enemy, and expressed his willingness to hammer people earlier. So I am effectively at L -1 here. I can give a role claim if required, but it would make me useless to the town then, except as a voter. At this point I am not given much choice. I cannot defend myself in a reasonable manner, as the complaints lodged against me are matters of public record. If I try to focus blame elsewhere, it is seen as further proof that I am mafia.

I do have one major point to make though, since this may be the last major point I can make. I have played in exactly 1 mafia game before this, and I was a mafia framer. From what I can tell, 100% of games have framers. Both Sully and edoc are extremely confident that Nark can be investigated. However, since investigating Nark has been brought up a million times now, the chance that a framer would target him is very high. I want to know as much as anyone what Nark's REAL story is. I do not share your confidence in the detective though. Perhaps the third party is not represented by a SK, but rather a SF (serial framer). I am not basing this on anything, of course, just a conjecture.

You are full of shit. You cannot speculate this much D1, there is no way you can have any info, reasoning or rational for it. Also The other reason I think you are full of shit is the "useless to the town if my role is know" No town role is useless when it is know, it is just up to be killed.

[Anarkistsdream]

Lay the LAW down, Edoc!!!

[VioIet]

You are full of it. You cannot speculate this much D1, there is no way you can have any info, reasoning or rational for it. Also The other reason I think you are full of it is the "useless to the town if my role is know" No town role is useless when it is know, it is just up to be killed.

Agreed with Edoc. Sorry yoshi, but I just don't believe this.

Unvote

I hate that we have so many claims already on day one, but I don't think you have any choice at this point.

And I suppose that Anark is in agreement as well.

[edocsil]

Lay the LAW down, Edoc!!!

Eh, he was annoying me. I hate that much speculation.

You are full of it. You cannot speculate this much D1, there is no way you can have any info, reasoning or rational for it. Also The other reason I think you are full of it is the "useless to the town if my role is know" No town role is useless when it is know, it is just up to be killed.

I see what you did there.

[pancakemix]

Yoshi, since you're "basically L-1", why don't you just claim? It really can't hurt you now.

[DoomYoshi]

So let me get this straight. To the former claims against me, now speculation is added. I am sorry for not realizing that speculating is proof of being mafia. It seems to me it would be the exact opposite. The mafia know who each other are, and do not need to speculate. The town members know (usually) nothing. I am going to claim as proof that I am not mafia the fact that I WAS waffling. Since I don't know for sure who is mafia, I tried to slow down the bandwagon jumping so the town can have time to gather information. When the wagon was on Sully, I voted Vi, When the wagon was on Nark I voted Sully. Now the wagon is on me and I am spirtiually voting Nark.

This will seem like an OMGUS vote, and to a certain extent it is, but I am now going to claim that saf is mafia. He has always followed the wagon around, like a true mafiosa. While following the wagon around, he started developing a case on me - another trick of the mafia.

If Saf is mafia, then Commander9 is likely to be too. Commander9 put saf on the town list for not acting suspicious. That is not proof of town, and is in fact precisely what the mafia would be doing.

As for a third accomplice, slash and drabod are both subbing to a limited extent.

Today I am going to the newspaper to write my own obituary. It says: "In lieu of flowers, lynch saf". Then I am going to the pharmacist to buy an industrial strength dosage of warfarin. Since I am a doctor, she gives it to me no problem. However, this is Italy and I am probably Catholic, so I cannot kill myself. Instead I will dial up Nark and say: "Your mom is a whore, and my door is unlocked".

Ideally the town can learn something from my death.

unvote vote Yoshi

[edocsil]

So let me get this straight. To the former claims against me, now speculation is added. I am sorry for not realizing that speculating is proof of being mafia. It seems to me it would be the exact opposite. The mafia know who each other are, and do not need to speculate. The town members know (usually) nothing. I am going to claim as proof that I am not mafia the fact that I WAS waffling. Since I don't know for sure who is mafia, I tried to slow down the bandwagon jumping so the town can have time to gather information. When the wagon was on Sully, I voted Vi, When the wagon was on Nark I voted Sully. Now the wagon is on me and I am spirtiually voting Nark.

This will seem like an OMGUS vote, and to a certain extent it is, but I am now going to claim that saf is mafia. He has always followed the wagon around, like a true mafiosa. While following the wagon around, he started developing a case on me - another trick of the mafia.

If Saf is mafia, then Commander9 is likely to be too. Commander9 put saf on the town list for not acting suspicious. That is not proof of town, and is in fact precisely what the mafia would be doing.

As for a third accomplice, slash and drabod are both subbing to a limited extent.

Today I am going to the newspaper to write my own obituary. It says: "In lieu of flowers, lynch saf". Then I am going to the pharmacist to buy an industrial strength dosage of warfarin. Since I am a doctor, she gives it to me no problem. However, this is Italy and I am probably Catholic, so I cannot kill myself. Instead I will dial up Nark and say: "Your mom is a whore, and my door is unlocked".

Ideally the town can learn something from my death.

unvote vote Yoshi

Yeah I figured you would claim as much. Whay the hell would you draw so much attention to yourself if you were the doc? You are supposed to stay low. God I wish someone would just hammer so this cockup would be over. And for gods sake why vote for yourself?

[edocsil]

Yeah I figured you would claim as much. Whay the hell would you draw so much attention to yourself if you were the doc? You are supposed to stay low. God I wish someone would just hammer so this cockup would be over. And for gods sake why vote for yourself?

May as well unvote for now. In my books he isn't off the hooks, but I don't want some scum to come in here and hammer our supposed doc.

[DoomYoshi]

I was trying to lay low but Commander called me out on it and then saf built his case from there.

[edocsil]

I was trying to lay low but Commander called me out on it and then saf built his case from there.

And the cases were legitimate as well, if you have claimed anything but doc, I am quite certain we would have already had a hammer. I want to lynch you out of principle.

[DoomYoshi]

Out of what principle?