Buffy the Vampire Slayer Game over-Town Won-Graduation Day

[Anarkistsdream]

uhhh there are four dead greens on the front page, I could have figured that out if i had replaced yesterday, why are you bringing it up?

Did you just read one line and form your comment? And I didn't 'replace yesterday,' but thank you

[Commander9]

Did you just read one line and form your comment? And I didn't 'replace yesterday,' but thank you

Well, I think he means that you only replaced on Day 2, although I don't see how this comes into play. Telling your colour, however, doesn't mean anything. We've seen 4 greenies dyings (all townies), so it's not that hard to say that you're green, when you know townies colour. Provided alone that doesn't change anything, but I also found it a bit interesting that you keep repeating this.

[Anarkistsdream]

I never look back on the first page... It does nothing for me. I forget that mods do that.

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Sorry, no offense intended, still getting over a cold and having a hard time putting my thoughts down in a coherent manner, yeah, that's what I meant, it was sort of odd that you brought it up.
But besides the front page, does this mean you haven't paid attention to the other death scenes either? They all had colors...

[mandalorian2298]

Guys, would Angelus come up innocent? Of course not, his character is anything but subtle. Nark has welcomed in an investigation on himself, I can't see a cop doing anything else tonight, besides possibly investigating mandy. Vote mandy for trying to lynch a likely powerful town ally.

Thank you! May I also comment on how Mandalorian has totally avoided the question I posed earlier about WHEN Angel was evil in Season 3.

My point is that while it did happen the way planned in the show, Faith did try to recruit Angel so it's very likely faith would have a recruit mechanism with Angel...

Zigackly! My point is that Angel is role that could be recruited by Mafia while keeping a role-name that looks townish. Also, if this was not the case, then why would a major role Townie be willing, eager even, to role claim without a serious lynch danger (three votes out of 8 needed isn't even 50 %)? The answer is: Angel would want to hide his role, Angelus would be just waiting a chance to claim Angel. Given that and the way that Anark/Commander duo has been playing, I say that odds of Anark being Angelus are much higher then the odds of Anark being Angel.

[Anarkistsdream]

Guys, would Angelus come up innocent? Of course not, his character is anything but subtle. Nark has welcomed in an investigation on himself, I can't see a cop doing anything else tonight, besides possibly investigating mandy. Vote mandy for trying to lynch a likely powerful town ally.

Thank you! May I also comment on how Mandalorian has totally avoided the question I posed earlier about WHEN Angel was evil in Season 3.

My point is that while it did happen the way planned in the show, Faith did try to recruit Angel so it's very likely faith would have a recruit mechanism with Angel...

Zigackly! My point is that Angel is role that could be recruited by Mafia while keeping a role-name that looks townish. Also, if this was not the case, then why would a major role Townie be willing, eager even, to role claim without a serious lynch danger (three votes out of 8 needed isn't even 50 %)? The answer is: Angel would want to hide his role, Angelus would be just waiting a chance to claim Angel. Given that and the way that Anark/Commander duo has been playing, I say that odds of Anark being Angelus are much higher then the odds of Anark being Angel.

So WHEN in Season 3 was Angel evil??? Two reposts still didn't make any sense... Answer the question, Mandy boy...

[strike wolf]

The welcoming an investigation deal isn't much not uncommon for scum to bluff. Green means nothing as the only realistic theory would be that you were recruited and thus original pm would be in green. However4 angel is a possible toiwn role and a good one at that, I feel more comfortable pressuring commander (I feel pretty confident that if commander turns up scum so will Nark not quite as sure about the opposite way around). If commander turns up scum than I say vig kill nark and investigate streaker.

[Anarkistsdream]

If commander turns up scum than I say vig kill nark and investigate streaker.

Basing my execution due to Commander is bullshit. It's not my fault he has leapt to my defence, and if he IS indeed some sort of recruiter, then him being killed would stop me from being turned...

I STILL don't understand what you all think I could be recruited for, though. It DOESN'T happen! You guys are blindly believing everything Mandy says but Angel was NEVER EVIL in Season motherfucking 3... Why are you guys finding it so hard to believe?

[edocsil]

If commander turns up scum than I say vig kill nark and investigate streaker.

Basing my execution due to Commander is bullshit. It's not my fault he has leapt to my defence, and if he IS indeed some sort of recruiter, then him being killed would stop me from being turned...

I STILL don't understand what you all think I could be recruited for, though. It DOESN'T happen! You guys are blindly believing everything Mandy says but Angel was NEVER EVIL in Season motherfucking 3... Why are you guys finding it so hard to believe?

Yes, there was a 5 season series devoted to just him, and proving the fact that he was inherently good. I really don't get this lynch.

[Anarkistsdream]

If commander turns up scum than I say vig kill nark and investigate streaker.

Basing my execution due to Commander is bullshit. It's not my fault he has leapt to my defence, and if he IS indeed some sort of recruiter, then him being killed would stop me from being turned...

I STILL don't understand what you all think I could be recruited for, though. It DOESN'T happen! You guys are blindly believing everything Mandy says but Angel was NEVER EVIL in Season motherfucking 3... Why are you guys finding it so hard to believe?

Yes, there was a 5 season series devoted to just him, and proving the fact that he was inherently good. I really don't get this lynch.

And Angel was a MUCH better series than Buffy...

[mandalorian2298]

Strike Wolf, I agree with your idea. My suspicion of Anark is greatly influenced by the fact that Commander has been shadowing him throughout the game (not that Anark's own actions, such as voting me for daring to present a case against you and his eagerness to claim haven't helped). Since he has claimed a possible town role, I concur that lynching Commander first makes more sense. unvote vote Commander

Anark, it is true that Angel does not turn into Angelus during season 3. However, as you surely know, Mayor and Faith plot to bring him to their side in the episode "Enemies". True, they don't succeed, but if we follow that logic than we needn't bother playing since they fail to take over Sunnydale as well. However, that plot is a nice motive for a scum quest.

Edocsil, Angel indeed does have his spin-off TV and comicbook series in which he is the main hero. However, during the course of both Angel's allies and vilains keep waiting for him to turn into Angelus and start wreaking havoc. I could say more, but it would be a major spoiler.

Since I have been fastposted, I would like to add that Anark is a heretic who should be subjected to mob justince for that last post. BUFFY RULES!

[safariguy5]

Hmm, I think with the whole Spike lynch, recruiting is a definite possibility, but the fact that Anark didn't reveal until today makes me think he isn't recruited yet unless the recruiter got very very lucky. That said, Comm9 defending him makes it look like Comm is the recruiter and is trying to keep nark alive so that he can be recruited today. I don't want to go lynching every single possible recruitment role as that wouldn't be good in case they turn town later. Comm9 has some explaining to do.

unvote vote Commander9

[Commander9]

Congratulations all - Mandy already forced 2 claims today and is now pushing for the 3rd one. Well done

[Anarkistsdream]

Congratulations all - Mandy already forced 2 claims today and is now pushing for the 3rd one. Well done

Whether or not you are scum, I have to agree with this statement.

I refuse to take my vote off of Mandalorian.

[edocsil]

Strike Wolf, I agree with your idea. My suspicion of Anark is greatly influenced by the fact that Commander has been shadowing him throughout the game (not that Anark's own actions, such as voting me for daring to present a case against you and his eagerness to claim haven't helped). Since he has claimed a possible town role, I concur that lynching Commander first makes more sense. unvote vote Commander

Anark, it is true that Angel does not turn into Angelus during season 3. However, as you surely know, Mayor and Faith plot to bring him to their side in the episode "Enemies". True, they don't succeed, but if we follow that logic than we needn't bother playing since they fail to take over Sunnydale as well. However, that plot is a nice motive for a scum quest.

Edocsil, Angel indeed does have his spin-off TV and comicbook series in which he is the main hero. However, during the course of both Angel's allies and vilains keep waiting for him to turn into Angelus and start wreaking havoc. I could say more, but it would be a major spoiler.

Since I have been fastposted, I would like to add that Anark is a heretic who should be subjected to mob justince for that last post. BUFFY RULES!

Seen it, I know. doesn't happen often that Angelus appears, but he is always stopped one way or another.

[naxus]

So with all of this seemingly random story stuff coming into light im gonna vote mandy
Also because I've replaced mandy in games before and Know first hand the Kind of cases he can concoct

[strike wolf]

Strike Wolf, I agree with your idea. My suspicion of Anark is greatly influenced by the fact that Commander has been shadowing him throughout the game (not that Anark's own actions, such as voting me for daring to present a case against you and his eagerness to claim haven't helped). Since he has claimed a possible town role, I concur that lynching Commander first makes more sense. unvote vote Commander

Anark, it is true that Angel does not turn into Angelus during season 3. However, as you surely know, Mayor and Faith plot to bring him to their side in the episode "Enemies". True, they don't succeed, but if we follow that logic than we needn't bother playing since they fail to take over Sunnydale as well. However, that plot is a nice motive for a scum quest.

Edocsil, Angel indeed does have his spin-off TV and comicbook series in which he is the main hero. However, during the course of both Angel's allies and vilains keep waiting for him to turn into Angelus and start wreaking havoc. I could say more, but it would be a major spoiler.

Since I have been fastposted, I would like to add that Anark is a heretic who should be subjected to mob justince for that last post. BUFFY RULES!

Seen it, I know. doesn't happen often that Angelus appears, but he is always stopped one way or another.

I would say how he's stopped has little relevance to it happening. The point with Nark and commander. Commander was following Nark's lead and defending Nark since before he was revealed to be Angel, so the theory that commander is defending nark because he wants to recruit him in the future doesn't hold weight. They both could be town but considering actions I'm slightly more inclined to lynch commander and lynch Nark next if he's scum or lynch mandy if commander turns out town. So yeah unless commander can give a convincing role claim..otherwise we'll probably just end up back here again tomorrow.

[Streaker]

Decisions, decisions. After review, the 2 most stand-out suspects are comm and mandy. Tough call between the 2, though commanders claim is pushing me to a vote on Mandy. Add the attempts at controlling conversation, and forcing multiple claims to Mandy, plus the flavour that Angel is actually 'good' (with no counter-claim) tips the balance to

Unvote, Vote Mandy

If Mandy turns up town, we can easily go back to commander next day.
And vice versa, if commander gets lynched, and turns op innocent, we will be able to focus on Mandy...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

vote Commander

I guess I will continue my suspicions from D1. His recent defense of Anarkist (for whatever reason), coupled with his reaction to TWO's joke vote has only furthered my feelings about him.

-Tails

[Iliad]

Vote count
mandy-5- anark, commander, edoc, naxus, streaker
commander-4-/, mandy,safari, tail

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[Commander9]

I would say how he's stopped has little relevance to it happening. The point with Nark and commander. Commander was following Nark's lead and defending Nark since before he was revealed to be Angel, so the theory that commander is defending nark because he wants to recruit him in the future doesn't hold weight. They both could be town but considering actions I'm slightly more inclined to lynch commander and lynch Nark next if he's scum or lynch mandy if commander turns out town. So yeah unless commander can give a convincing role claim..otherwise we'll probably just end up back here again tomorrow.

If you can answer this, I'll claim - lets make a hypothetical scenario: I get a couple more votes and I claim under pressure a fairly strong town claim where no one can counter it or rebute it. Then what? We go after Mandy - and what if he also does that? We have ousted 2 townies already and *possible* 2 more are on the line - we're getting close to mass claiming, which I personally absolutely despise. I can easily claim if most of you want it, but I don't think it will help the town one bit...

[ga7]

Urgh, this really is taking a turn for the worse... Overall I'm inclined to trust more Nark even though I dunno if Illy would have tweaked the role to evolve, if he sticks to this particular season's flavour there's no reason to. Guess I'll reread now instead of siesta

[mandalorian2298]

I would say how he's stopped has little relevance to it happening. The point with Nark and commander. Commander was following Nark's lead and defending Nark since before he was revealed to be Angel, so the theory that commander is defending nark because he wants to recruit him in the future doesn't hold weight. They both could be town but considering actions I'm slightly more inclined to lynch commander and lynch Nark next if he's scum or lynch mandy if commander turns out town. So yeah unless commander can give a convincing role claim..otherwise we'll probably just end up back here again tomorrow.

If you can answer this, I'll claim - lets make a hypothetical scenario: I get a couple more votes and I claim under pressure a fairly strong town claim where no one can counter it or rebute it. Then what? We go after Mandy - and what if he also does that? We have ousted 2 townies already and *possible* 2 more are on the line - we're getting close to mass claiming, which I personally absolutely despise. I can easily claim if most of you want it, but I don't think it will help the town one bit...

I call. Let see your "fairly strong town claim" while Nark fetches a rope for my lynch.

[ga7]

PREVIOUSLY ON BUFFY THE FUN MAFIA SLAYER

Day 1: TWO joke wagon turned sour, campin(now pmc) defending him, saf also. Chu & Commie most adamant TWO is scummy.
Campin tries to start a sensfan wagon. Skoff accuses Chu to be blowing the usual TWO behaviour out of proportion. Tails accuses Commie for the same reasons, Skoff agrees also. Saf chips in that the wagon isn't worth overreacting as it's all WIFOMy. Streaker accuses Campin for his defense of TWO and being defensive himself. Haggis & Saf follow. Commie justifies himself a lot. Campin claims he was being sarcastic. Edoc follows. / mellows the Campin thing and accuses Haggis of lurking/wagon, then points out inactives. Commie agrees on Haggis. Vio refuses the extension asked by /. ga7 buys Campin's sarcasm reason and accuses Violet of scumarining & anti-input. Streaker, Edoc & TWO follow. Commie semi-defends Vio, aage agrees. Skoff still prefers a chu lynch. Chu defends himself & Vio. Tails reinforces his Commie case. Haggis foses Chu for oocness. / keeps vote on Vio. Saf follows. Chu justifies his TWO move by it being day 1. Vio claims Campin is her suspect of choice. I suspect Edoc for his Campin vote but less than Vio. Freezie (replaced by Nark) & Thezz (replaced by Naxus) haven't posted.
No lynch, final VC:
sens-2 tail, campin
vio-5 /, ga7, streaker, edoc, safariguy5
two-3 fircoal, aage, commander9,
skoff-1 flores
fircoal-1 skoff
aage-1 herk
campin-1 haggis,

Day 2: Nark votes TWO, Strike starts his Commie case, Commie defends himself, Aage votes TWO, / votes Naxus for modkilling wifom, Saf follows, Commie says TWO is the best case still, Vio agrees, Edoc, ga7 & Naxus vote Vio, Nark switches also, Vio claims vampire, Aage follows, flavour talks, Strike and Commie don't want to lynch Vio, ga7 & Strike find it necessary, Saf is on the fence, Commie votes Vio reluctantly, Saf follows, Strike also, Haggis hammers, final VC:
Vote count
naxus-1 /,
vio-8 tail, safari, naxus, anarkists, ga7, mandy, commander, haggis

Day 3: Mandy flavour babbles, Tails votes Haggis from / scumariner case, Haggis quickly defends himself, Commie defends Haggis, Saf votes inactive TWO, Strike suspects Commie again, Mandy theorizes on Strike being scum, Nark, Streaker, Edoc & Saf follow, ga7 points out how weak Mandy's case is, Strike claims Giles, Nark votes Mandy for being wrong, Strike suspects Streaker, Saf votes Nark, Nark defends his case, Commie votes Mandy,Tails & Strike defend Mandy, Mandy OMGUS votes Nark for knowing Strike was town, Nark feels fine claiming, Haggis on the fence, Commie accuses Mandy of grasping, page 25 I'll stop there since this is making less and less sense -_-


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I feel like every player has done something scummy, so I won't bother with case by case analysis. At this point I am quite convinced we need to lynch either Mandy or Commie as they've both acted the worst overall; however for me Mandy wins the scummy race by a landmile, having done more harm in one day than anyone else.
I could probably list all the arguments but there is a main one that cinches it for me:
Nark claims Angel, tracker. Mafia tracker is almost unheard of as it'd be very useless for scum to have, and Mandy never considers that it'd be a ridiculously easy role to prove, focusing solely on flavour that is not even accurate in respect to the season that concerns us. He only switches his vote on Commie when he realizes it'll be easier to get that one lynched. I'm starting to think he's a GF feeling unattainable, because he has been acting so blatantly anti-town trying to get anyone lynched for less than solid reasons and getting away with it that it just seems unbelievable. I think general metagaming is useless in these circumstances but I know full well this is beyond the normal insane theorist, because Mandy here doesn't even makes theory but rather tries to follow the waves and get the whole town out of the woods. I have little doubt Nark is town and while I'm way more uncertain about Commie he hasn't been half as "dangerous" to the town than Mandy, who is therefore the priority suspect.

Unvote Vote Mandy

[edocsil]

I would like a official VC, I have no desire to accidentally do something regretful. My mind is for a mandy lynch for Ga7's reasons and my flavor analysis.