Why do the dice suck so bad?

[MNDuke]

You can't help trip over your own dick, can you natty? Quite trying to stir the pot by bringing up a post from 3 weeks ago. Its obvious that you just crave attention and drama. You are being as asshole, for what purpose? Go pick a fight with someone else. You are about as useless as Rosie O' Donnel's Twat. When I explain my points calmly and comprehensively you just ignore them and comeback with some lame attempt at a personal attack. Quit trying to take the high road. Go play this game with someone else because I am done for you. Any further posts from you will be ignored.

[natty dread]

by MNDuke on Wednesday 26.1.11 20:08

Quite trying to stir the pot by bringing up a post from 3 weeks ago.

You fail at math/ concept of time/ reading the calendar, take your pick.

And thanks for proving my point. You do know that no one takes you seriously on this website, don't you?

Its obvious that you just crave attention and drama.

Hey, we could use you in our film club! You're so good at projecting. (1)

You are being as asshole, for what purpose?

You are about as useless as Rosie O' Donnel's Twat.

some lame attempt at a personal attack.

I suppose the irony of your own words is lost to you.
But hey, don't let that stop you.


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[tkr4lf]

by MNDuke on Wednesday 26.1.11 20:08

Quite trying to stir the pot by bringing up a post from 3 weeks ago.

You fail at math/ concept of time/ reading the calendar, take your pick.

And thanks for proving my point. You do know that no one takes you seriously on this website, don't you?

Its obvious that you just crave attention and drama.

Hey, we could use you in our film club! You're so good at projecting. (1)

You are being as asshole, for what purpose?

You are about as useless as Rosie O' Donnel's Twat.

some lame attempt at a personal attack.

I suppose the irony of your own words is lost to you.
But hey, don't let that stop you.


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

LOL at the highlighted part....very nice!

[jefjef]

It's in fact so random that some people complain because they can't predict their dice rolls.

Laughable.
I can accurately predict that 12th and 18th terts won't die without a large loss.
I can accurately predict that bonuses I try to break that are guarded by ones will not fall 75% of the time.
I can accurately predict I can kill inconsequential terts about 80% of the time.
I can accurately predict that 80% of my drops will suck more than a bottle fed baby.
I can accurately predict that my opponents will have 1st go around 70% of the time.
I can accurately predict that this site is not random.
I can accurately predict I am going to go have a smoke after I submit this.
I can accurately predict I will not be spending any more money with CC until they provide an honest game.
Time to smoke.

[MNDuke]

by MNDuke on Wednesday 26.1.11 20:08

Quite trying to stir the pot by bringing up a post from 3 weeks ago.

You fail at math/ concept of time/ reading the calendar, take your pick.

And thanks for proving my point. You do know that no one takes you seriously on this website, don't you?

Its obvious that you just crave attention and drama.

Hey, we could use you in our film club! You're so good at projecting. (1)

You are being as asshole, for what purpose?

You are about as useless as Rosie O' Donnel's Twat.

some lame attempt at a personal attack.

I suppose the irony of your own words is lost to you.
But hey, don't let that stop you.


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

LOL at the highlighted part....very nice!

FAIL!

You are a coward trying to bully me from behind your keyboard. Not saying I am any different, but at least my own shortcomings aren't keeping me from saying so.

[natty dread]

Laughable.

Indeed... By the way, Jeff Jeff, is CC still manipulating the dices to keep you from winning the games you are supposed to win?

Ps. Smoking is bad for you.

FAIL!

That's not how it's done.

Click image to enlarge.

This is how it's done.

MNDuke wrote:You are a coward trying to bully me from behind your keyboard. Not saying I am any different, but at least my own shortcomings aren't keeping me from saying so.

Quit trying to take the high road.

[BIGMEANIE]

as mentioned earlier (maybe in another related thread):

PERHAPS THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE DICE ARE RANDOM, BUT WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT DICE SYSTEM IS THE "BEST" SYSTEM. IF THE BEST SYSTEM TO HAVE IN PLACE IS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT ENRAGE A LARGE NUMBER OF PLAYERS--BUT RATHER ALLOWS FOR AN ENJOYABLE GAMING EXPERIENCE--THEN PERHAPS THIS SYSTEM IS NOT THE BEST SYSTEM, AND PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE REPLACED.

Now, maybe CC doesn't give a shit as to whether or not the majority of players find this game enjoyable. Sure, this might not be good for business, but as we have all seen, many of those who hate the dice (like myself) still stick around. It seems the only way to get the point across in this case would be for the dice-haters to stop paying for premium (and/or terrorize this website some other way, in the name of "better dice"). Maybe we can even create a list of players who have decided not to renew their memberships--otherwise, all the "I Quit" threads will soon be forgotten.

If CC does care whether or not the majority of players find this game enjoyable, then maybe we should take a large poll and discover what the levels of dice-dissatisfaction are like. If the level of dissatisfaction is high, then perhaps we should come up with alternatives.

Just an idea.

[red_dawn]

Andy - thanks for the reply. After looking at a number of dice analyzer posts, it's clear that most of the stats on the dice are correct. Eg. the frequency of each number showing up for both att and def is clearly correct, the total att/def loss percentage is correct, and the 3v2, 3v1, etc overall win probabilities are usually very close to correct. I would still question the streaks, eg how close are the 3v1 streaks for attackers compared to 3v1 streaks for defenders, when compared to the theoretical probabilities. It would be great if CC could address this by looking at the dice analyzer posts so far. I can't find the specific post I saw earlier, but one guy seemed to be showing 3v1 win streaks for defenders over a very large sample population that looked out of whack. To make CC the best site it can be, I think it would be worth looking into this more closely.

As for the matter of perception (on a personal note) you should read Wisdom of Crowds. People as a group are actually pretty smart. As individuals yes we are biased, irrational, emotional and fragile humans, but as a group the bias averages out, and the collective brain is often bang on. I really believe that if a large number of people think something is screwy with the dice, they are probably right.

MNDuke - I think we're on the same side, but you gotta stop insulting people, it's really not helping The Cause.

[Woodruff]

As for the matter of perception (on a personal note) you should read Wisdom of Crowds. People as a group are actually pretty smart. As individuals yes we are biased, irrational, emotional and fragile humans, but as a group the bias averages out, and the collective brain is often bang on. I really believe that if a large number of people think something is screwy with the dice, they are probably right.

When I look at what the American public seems to want to watch as regards news services, and when I look at what the American public buys into regarding the utter crap that our politicians feed us...it's very difficult for me to believe in the Wisdom of Crowds.

I AM however interested in that book, so thanks for the recommendation - I'm going to go find it.

[PLAYER57832]

as mentioned earlier (maybe in another related thread):

PERHAPS THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE DICE ARE RANDOM, BUT WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT DICE SYSTEM IS THE "BEST" SYSTEM. IF THE BEST SYSTEM TO HAVE IN PLACE IS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT ENRAGE A LARGE NUMBER OF PLAYERS--BUT RATHER ALLOWS FOR AN ENJOYABLE GAMING EXPERIENCE--THEN PERHAPS THIS SYSTEM IS NOT THE BEST SYSTEM, AND PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE REPLACED.

Now, maybe CC doesn't give a shit as to whether or not the majority of players find this game enjoyable. Sure, this might not be good for business, but as we have all seen, many of those who hate the dice (like myself) still stick around. It seems the only way to get the point across in this case would be for the dice-haters to stop paying for premium (and/or terrorize this website some other way, in the name of "better dice"). Maybe we can even create a list of players who have decided not to renew their memberships--otherwise, all the "I Quit" threads will soon be forgotten.

If CC does care whether or not the majority of players find this game enjoyable, then maybe we should take a large poll and discover what the levels of dice-dissatisfaction are like. If the level of dissatisfaction is high, then perhaps we should come up with alternatives.

Just an idea.

You are correct. People who lose and get pissed do cost th site money. So, I have the perfect solution. Any time someone loses rolls more than 5 times in a row, that loss will be instantly overridden with a WIN. Further, if someone loses more than 20 points, they will automatically get to win the next game they play in compensation!!

After all, who wants strategy, patience or even just plain luck. All anybody really wants is to win. : )

[BIGMEANIE]

why do people even bother with the fine print. if you want to say something, type it in a print we can all see. if you are so ashamed of what you write, don't bother typing it. i never said i was against patience or strategy, i was just suggesting that the argument is off-point. durr.

[Woodruff]

why do people even bother with the fine print. if you want to say something, type it in a print we can all see. if you are so ashamed of what you write, don't bother typing it. i never said i was against patience or strategy, i was just suggesting that the argument is off-point. durr.

Ashamed? It was sarcasm. That was the point.

[BIGMEANIE]

so why hide it?

[Woodruff]

so why hide it?

It's part of the joke. It's done commonly in these fora. Think of it like an inside joke, if you must.

[BIGMEANIE]

understood. however, i wasn't suggesting we implement some silly dice-override system or point compensation program. nor am i anti-patience or strategy. sounded like she was trying to imply that. sarcasm is great when it makes sense. i was just saying that i think the dice-complaint threads miss the real point/problem. even if the threads are on-point, they soon go off-point, as they are often quickly derailed by irrelevant side-arguments....

...oh wait i have just fallen into the trap myself.

[danfrank]

They really do suck. I can't get a break in any games that I play. Seems no matter what, attack or defence my forces are whittled away by the "random (sucks big time) generator". This is extremely frustrating and not conducive to signing up to waste my money on this lame game.

If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.

What a lame answer .. Of course it has something to do with RDG..

[Woodruff]

They really do suck. I can't get a break in any games that I play. Seems no matter what, attack or defence my forces are whittled away by the "random (sucks big time) generator". This is extremely frustrating and not conducive to signing up to waste my money on this lame game.

If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.

What a lame answer .. Of course it has something to do with RDG..

In my opinion, it's not a lame answer at all. I am of the opinion that this is absolutely a perspective problem.

[BIGMEANIE]

They really do suck. I can't get a break in any games that I play. Seems no matter what, attack or defence my forces are whittled away by the "random (sucks big time) generator". This is extremely frustrating and not conducive to signing up to waste my money on this lame game.

If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.

What a lame answer .. Of course it has something to do with RDG..

In my opinion, it's not a lame answer at all. I am of the opinion that this is absolutely a perspective problem.

dice analyzer will answer this question.

[Aradhus]

Most of my actual stats have always been lower than the ideal stats.