Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[Commander9]

Keep it clean Commander. If you accuse me of something, at least let it be for what I have done. As a rule I do not skim, although your right, I have been fishing for roles, and for good reason too. This game will hit critical mass with the recruitment very quickly, by day 3 or 4 and the game must be ended before then. I have a good idea of the roles of many of the players here. With a good set of investigations I can hazard some fairly accurate guesses as to who the scum are tomorrow if coupled with an other day like this one.

Like a said, I am playing very aggressively because I do not believe we have the time to waste like we do in a regular game.

I am. Well, you either skimmed or forgot, but if you forgot, it's a good idea to look it up before posting. If you'd remember, I made a case why 00 would be town.

I do agree that this game should be ending soon, but this role fishing had done more damage than good in my eyes - now a certain somebody probably knows who target as there are 2 really strong roles already ousted.

I can understand all of what you're saying, but you also have to understand that right now there are no other strong cases and that in mafia games it's usually not a good idea to end a day without a lynch.

[edocsil]

Keep it clean Commander. If you accuse me of something, at least let it be for what I have done. As a rule I do not skim, although your right, I have been fishing for roles, and for good reason too. This game will hit critical mass with the recruitment very quickly, by day 3 or 4 and the game must be ended before then. I have a good idea of the roles of many of the players here. With a good set of investigations I can hazard some fairly accurate guesses as to who the scum are tomorrow if coupled with an other day like this one.

Like a said, I am playing very aggressively because I do not believe we have the time to waste like we do in a regular game.

I am. Well, you either skimmed or forgot, but if you forgot, it's a good idea to look it up before posting. If you'd remember, I made a case why 00 would be town.

I do agree that this game should be ending soon, but this role fishing had done more damage than good in my eyes - now a certain somebody probably knows who target as there are 2 really strong roles already ousted.

I can understand all of what you're saying, but you also have to understand that right now there are no other strong cases and that in mafia games it's usually not a good idea to end a day without a lynch.

Eh, are you saying that you made a case way back when for him being town? I remember that. The way you just recently stated it it sounded like you KNEW he was town, as in role PM know, not highly suspect. I still don't see how this makes me scummy, you were right, I was not, neither of us could be certain.

[safariguy5]

Technically, we already ended the day with a lynch of Icon. I'm unwilling to possibly lynch two townies on day 1 and give scum an even bigger advantage. As it stands, we probably know that scum are going to focus on Sax and Flow first, which gives the investigative roles 1-2 nights to take a look at some of the other players. If we lynch another town now, that pushes us closer to endgame and I do not believe a deadline lynch will really give us much information. We probably still have Morpheus and Neo and pressuring now may cause another power role claim. Cut the losses now and try to get some good night results IMHO.

And the WIFOM argument was directed at the poor line of logic that lead to rolefishing on Flow. It was a bad idea to try and get him to claim and a bad idea for him to talk about it. Faulty reasoning all around.

[Commander9]

Eh, are you saying that you made a case way back when for him being town? I remember that. The way you just recently stated it it sounded like you KNEW he was town, as in role PM know, not highly suspect. I still don't see how this makes me scummy, you were right, I was not, neither of us could be certain.

No, this did not make you scum, but it contributed to my thought flow that you could be scum. I honestly don't know, but my scumdar is tingling much more than usually and the case isn't that strong, it's the best we have. By the looks of it, nothing will happen and we'll just move to day 2 as no one but you, me and few others are posting, but I honestly hate no lynches and this day shouldn't end like that in my eyes.

@ Saf - yes, we've already seen that you're pretty much allied to Edoc. We get it, okay? Furthermore, Flow didn't claim - Sax did.

[safariguy5]

Eh, are you saying that you made a case way back when for him being town? I remember that. The way you just recently stated it it sounded like you KNEW he was town, as in role PM know, not highly suspect. I still don't see how this makes me scummy, you were right, I was not, neither of us could be certain.

No, this did not make you scum, but it contributed to my thought flow that you could be scum. I honestly don't know, but my scumdar is tingling much more than usually and the case isn't that strong, it's the best we have. By the looks of it, nothing will happen and we'll just move to day 2 as no one but you, me and few others are posting, but I honestly hate no lynches and this day shouldn't end like that in my eyes.

@ Saf - yes, we've already seen that you're pretty much allied to Edoc. We get it, okay? Furthermore, Flow didn't claim - Sax did.

Right, but calling for Flow to claim Seraph was a bad idea to me. That was what my WIFOM comment was on, not the Sax claim (which was necessary due to the pressure that was on him)

[Commander9]

Right, but calling for Flow to claim Seraph was a bad idea to me. That was what my WIFOM comment was on, not the Sax claim (which was necessary due to the pressure that was on him)

Perhaps so and I am glad he didn't say anything more than he did. I was more than satisfied with what he said and happy to move on.

[edocsil]

@ Saf - yes, we've already seen that you're pretty much allied to Edoc. We get it, okay? Furthermore, Flow didn't claim - Sax did.

I haven't the faintest clue to his allegiance. We simply see things the same way currently. He may even have seen my motives for my actions before I explained a few of them, IDK.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I know that sounds lame, but honestly this day is fucked and I don't think we'll get much from it. Our best info imo will come from Icon's lynch, because I'm of the persuasion that it was probably just townies on Sax's BW. Maybe 1 scum got in their just to avoid grouping, but....idk.

-Tails

Check page 25.
Everyone should vote tails for skimming! not to mention submarining.

Icon, please read my statement in context before posting something like that. I'm well aware you were lynched already, and have since lost your voting ability (and this is perhaps why Sax claimed unlynchable, to avoid losing his investigative abilities). As such, one method of finding scum is to read through a D1 or D2 lynch of a townie and find out who spread misinformation or made contradictory statements. Hence, "our best info will come from your lynch".

-Tails

[00iCon]

"will come"; future tense. sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Commander9]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

[Flow520]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

Wha? You should trust Edoc, so you go all aggressive on Edoc so make people think you are not linked, then you go and say to everyone that you were told by mod to trust Edoc? I'm all sorts of confused now...

Also:

As it stands, we probably know that scum are going to focus on Sax and Flow first, which gives the investigative roles 1-2 nights to take a look at some of the other players.

If the scum do think this, they will most likely target other people who they believe has less chance of being protected. So I dont think we have the one-two days you speak of. I really think we should be throwing away our lynch...

[Flow520]

Opps,

I really think we should be throwing away our lynch...

I meant, "I really think we should not be throwing away our lynch..."

[Commander9]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should *NOT* trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

EBWOP.

[edocsil]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should *NOT* trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

EBWOP.

That fits better, I assume it was something like this. For the record don't trust me or anyone else, you will live longer. D2 is going to be interesting if nothing else.

[TheSaxlad]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should *NOT* trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

EBWOP.

That fits better, I assume it was something like this. For the record don't trust me or anyone else, you will live longer. D2 is going to be interesting if nothing else.

I thought Vi was cypher, but on this evidence could it be edoc?

[edocsil]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should *NOT* trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

EBWOP.

That fits better, I assume it was something like this. For the record don't trust me or anyone else, you will live longer. D2 is going to be interesting if nothing else.

I thought Vi was cypher, but on this evidence could it be edoc?

I think we can all agree that cypher is a "bad guy", something I am not. There are a lot of people in the matrix who are untrustworthy, but I am not about to sell myself out to the Deus ex machina out of fear.

[strike wolf]

Hello good people. I am just checking in for a moment I won't be fully back until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest. I kind of breezed through what I missed and just have a few things to say. First of all to you people who were saying that flow had to be seraph because his defense of sax and icon was kind of ridiculous and innaccurate so fos those people. First of all if you think that flow was seraph don't mention it no one was pressing for her lynch so no reason to shout from the rooftops hey here's seraph. Secondly flow never aggressively defended icon was even on the wagon for a while and didn't defend sax until it was pretty obvious that sax was claiming oracle, third there are others who might want to protect a claimed oracle. Agent Smith for one might even be more interested in protecting the oracle.

Other than that I'm really interested in the latest from edoc and commander. I thought I had pegged edoc under a certain role and this latest makes it seem that I was wrong.

[VioIet]

Sax, why did you think I was cypher?

Who is cypher?

Commander, what did your role say about 00icon?

Still on you.

[safariguy5]

Since Day 1 is about to be over, I guess I'll have to play my cards - my role PM stated (this is are not exact words as that would not be allowed) that I should trust edocsil and this is another reason why I went so aggressive against Edoc.

Wha? You should trust Edoc, so you go all aggressive on Edoc so make people think you are not linked, then you go and say to everyone that you were told by mod to trust Edoc? I'm all sorts of confused now...

Also:

As it stands, we probably know that scum are going to focus on Sax and Flow first, which gives the investigative roles 1-2 nights to take a look at some of the other players.

If the scum do think this, they will most likely target other people who they believe has less chance of being protected. So I dont think we have the one-two days you speak of. I really think we should be throwing away our lynch...

Again, we're going with the assumption that Agent Smith is like a cult. If he's going to be recruiting people, he's going to recruit the strongest ones first (Oracle and Seraph for example). With any of the rest of us, he'd have no idea who we are, we might just be VT's. That's why I assume that the investigative roles will have at least 1-2 nights to investigate and not fear getting recruited by Agent Smith.

[Fircoal]

hey guys you need to learn to put the word NOT in your original post. ;3

Personally I am more suspective of Edoc right now. Really I think it's the best especially after so many claims to just throw everything in and just get a lynch done. WE have a lot to work on and to just not work on it because we're all pussies just doesn't seem like the right solution to me. You think Day 2 is gonna lead to anything better? It's just a higher number on the Day and one more investigation later. Not to mention a kill and or a recruiting. I don't really think we can do much more harm than we've already did.

[edocsil]

hey guys you need to learn to put the word NOT in your original post. ;3

Personally I am more suspective of Edoc right now. Really I think it's the best especially after so many claims to just throw everything in and just get a lynch done. WE have a lot to work on and to just not work on it because we're all pussies just doesn't seem like the right solution to me. You think Day 2 is gonna lead to anything better? It's just a higher number on the Day and one more investigation later. Not to mention a kill and or a recruiting. I don't really think we can do much more harm than we've already did.

Ah, so a quick BW would get me would get you something then Fir? We all know nothing would come of trying to lynch me, not with the way the lynch would be rushed. Perhaps if you had posted 2 or 3 days ago....

[Flow520]

hey guys you need to learn to put the word NOT in your original post. ;3

Personally I am more suspective of Edoc right now. Really I think it's the best especially after so many claims to just throw everything in and just get a lynch done. WE have a lot to work on and to just not work on it because we're all pussies just doesn't seem like the right solution to me. You think Day 2 is gonna lead to anything better? It's just a higher number on the Day and one more investigation later. Not to mention a kill and or a recruiting. I don't really think we can do much more harm than we've already did.

I agree with you on both counts. Though I dont understand how you can call for a lynch before the impending deadline, point your suspicions towards edoc, and then go all pacifist and not place a vote. It seems like you want to go on record saying Edoc is scummy without actually contributing to the lynch...

[VioIet]

I do somewhat agree that lynching Edoc will get us nowhere at this point.

I think that if edoc were scum he wouldn't have been playing quite as boldly. I do find it interesting that commander's role tells him not to trust edoc. Mine tells me not to trust commander. And Fir, there is something about your post that strikes me as a little odd.

hey guys you need to learn to put the word NOT in your original post. ;3

Personally I am more suspective of Edoc right now. Really I think it's the best especially after so many claims to just throw everything in and just get a lynch done. WE have a lot to work on and to just not work on it because we're all pussies just doesn't seem like the right solution to me. You think Day 2 is gonna lead to anything better? It's just a higher number on the Day and one more investigation later. Not to mention a kill and or a recruiting. I don't really think we can do much more harm than we've already did.

You say that Day 2 is not going to lead to much more than we have now, as it gives the chance for scum to kill, and cults to recruit. I agree with that. But just pushing for a quick lynch is not going to give us much information and will inevitable lead us to Night and Day 2 anyways. Wouldn't we want a more, careful thought out lynch before rushing to night, instead of just any old quick lynch just for the sake of having a lynch?

I also agree with the points Flow just made. I would vote Fircoal, but that would require me to take my vote off comannder. Bad idea.

[Flow520]

Ah, so a quick BW would get me would get you something then Fir? We all know nothing would come of trying to lynch me, not with the way the lynch would be rushed. Perhaps if you had posted 2 or 3 days ago....

I don't think it's really considered a quick band wagon when it starts with 4 votes spread out over as many pages of discussion...

Town, we are not rushing into lynching someone. Four people (28.6% of the players) have noticed scummy behavior from Edoc. This doesn't have to end with us lynching Edoc, but we should at least pressure Edoc for some more information.

[Commander9]

I don't think it's really considered a quick band wagon when it starts with 4 votes spread out over as many pages of discussion...

Town, we are not rushing into lynching someone. Four people (28.6% of the players) have noticed scummy behavior from Edoc. This doesn't have to end with us lynching Edoc, but we should at least pressure Edoc for some more information.

Pretty much totally agree with this, but I don't believe any of this will happen - others have waited for too long. I think that no lynch is bad for the town, but I don't see neither us getting a chance to lynch Edoc nor aage extending the deadline.