Buffy the Vampire Slayer Game over-Town Won-Graduation Day

[Anarkistsdream]

So the mafia killed Fircoal, who looked very guilty? Or do we have some kind of Vigilante who screwed up last night?

Skoffin and Fircoal were both very unaware of what was going on, even fighting among themselves.

Vio and TWO still seem the most guilty of any wrongdoing in my opinion.

If a Vig accidentally killed Fircoal... Oh crap... Cordelia was drained...

It's Spike or Drusilla... And they must be a serial killer.

[safariguy5]

It's hard to tell if both were targeted or if it was just a lover's mechanic. Although third party sker does appear a possibility.

[Anarkistsdream]

Lover's mechanic? OK, don't even know what that role is. I'm old school and haven't read up on this in years.

However, think about the roles in this game:

Xander - Jack of Trades
Cordelia - Role Blocker
Buffy - Vig ?
Angel - Cop ?
Drusilla - ?
Spike - SK
Willow - ?
Giles - Watcher (obviously)
Amy ?

What else?

[safariguy5]

That's tough because I never really watched the series, but wouldn't one of them be a doc? Willow I think because she's the witch?

[strike wolf]

Well it's based off Season 3 which if I remember right was the one with all the demons? So we have to deal with the bad slayer (possible betrayer or SK). Spike's return...Angel's mixed in and a demonic mafia. I'm not sure what the kill scene means...either they were lovers (definitely possible) or it was an SK. It would have had to been a pretty inexperienced vig for that to work but I think more likely it was a role that wants to eliminate mafia as much as town does but doesn't care as much who else gets caught in the cross fire (AKA an SK). Looking back at Day 1, general thoughts are TWO was way too defensive, commander seemed to mostly jump on others thoughts with little of his own contributions, ga7 seems a little less agressive than normal but too early to say that definitively (besides ga7 for whatever reason always triggers my scumdar...even when I'm scum), vio seems to be flying under the radar but it's not just this game, campin's responses seemed sarcastic and mostly innocent and other than that I didn't get much of an impression of the rest from the first reread...

[aage]

A vig trying to kill on day 1 is probably a noob.

The mentioning of a boyfriend-girlfriend relation hunches towards lovers so my money is on that. The kill on Skoffin obviously was done by the mafia.

[strike wolf]

the only problem with that theory is if they were lovers they either did not know they were lovers or were trying extra hard to distance themselves from each other. My money is on Sk.

[aage]

the only problem with that theory is if they were lovers they either did not know they were lovers or were trying extra hard to distance themselves from each other. My money is on Sk.

Er, possibly you should check out the thread title?

[edocsil]

the only problem with that theory is if they were lovers they either did not know they were lovers or were trying extra hard to distance themselves from each other. My money is on Sk.

Er, possibly you should check out the thread title?

Yes, obviously the were lovers. The odds are that one died because the other did, but it is possible vig/sk pulled a unlikely shot.

[strike wolf]

hmm...maybe I was more tired than I thought....I was still looking at the old title shown in earlier posts...

[Skoffin]

Oh nerts.

[Commander9]

So the mafia killed Fircoal, who looked very guilty? Or do we have some kind of Vigilante who screwed up last night?

Skoffin and Fircoal were both very unaware of what was going on, even fighting among themselves.

Vio and TWO still seem the most guilty of any wrongdoing in my opinion.

To be honest, I am rather surprised with those two kills - rather random, if you ask me. Since according to the name it seems like it was a lover's mechanic, we must assume that someone else was blocked, because I doubt that with such a big game, there's have 2 be another killing role. Definitely unfortunate.

As of now, I'm still interested in TWO...

[Anarkistsdream]

For now, I'm still going to

VOTE: TWO

[Anarkistsdream]

FOS on everyone for no one else posting!

[strike wolf]

Well still rereading again but so far the people who stand out are two, commander and to a lesser extent campin.

Campin doesn't bug me too much he seemed mostly just sarcastic but possibly a bit defensive as well over an otherwise weak connection to TWO. But honestly I don't think much about his comment about stopping the joke wagon. If I had been in the game at the time I probably would have said something somewhat similar considering the speed that it developped and how many people were on that wagon. So I don't think there is much of a case there.

TWO was very defensive over that early bandwagon. I don't know two very well but gamewise it seems very odd to get that defensive that early especially when he acknowledged that it was a joke wagon.

But the person who stood out the most to me was commander. Particularly for this post:

I'm confusedzel. You say that you're worried about something happening with this bandwagon but given the pure randomness and such of this wagon I would have a hard time seeing anything coming from it that would make you claim or have you lynched. It would be put on the bandwagoners. No one would make you claim for jokes. However you seem to be scared about this. I have a feeling that you're scum that's afraid of having to claim. I think if you were town you'd just be relaxed and not feel much pressure from it, but because you're so moved by it (before the bandwagon even gets that big) I have a feeling that you are scumzel. My confusing joke vote is now a real votezel.

This. You've started the joke and got a few joke votes, but suddenly started getting nervous and making explanations...

Before fircoal had posted his reasons for suspecting two commander's posts regarding TWO's wagon had appeared to be made mostly in jest. Fircoal casts some suspicion towards him and commander jumps on it and it wasn't the only time commander jumped on the wagon.

[ga7]

I need to reread day 1 but you guys are assuming too much of the thread title that seems flavour. Lover was not their role denomination and I don't really see why Illy would have not precised it. Way more likely to be the mafia AND a SK (I was originally thinking the other slayer but since it's a bleed out I suppose it could be Spike... can't really remember the older seasons or if I even watched them though). So FOS whoever is pushing the point of lovers death as opposed to a regular kill.

[sensfan]

im not sure if im dead or what but I cannot play anymore, very buzy...... plz replace me. sorry Iliad for causing the grief.

[safariguy5]

Completely possible that it was an SKer but the title is confusing. Between TWO and Commander, I thought that we had pretty well harassed TWO and decided that he was just afraid of being lynched (hence the no lynch) . That said, bw by Commander is not uncommon either. Between the two, I'm more inclined to pressure Commander because he hasn't been pressured before.

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Like AD said (great to see you playing again BTW), both fir and skoff were accusing each other, this is not something lovers do, besides the lovers mechanic in general follows a specific guideline "lover A dies" "lover B finds out and kills them-self the next day" so not only did they die at the same time, but the scene explicitly said she had no idea what happened, not a lover.

the fact that they were accusing each other also makes the kill a bit odd, not really anything to go on, but that sort of action does make ideal patsies since you know town is accusing each other if you are scum, so either scum is skimming or serial killers are indeed likely (since they don't know other scum, and may even be trying to get rid of them) I actually don't know much about the game flavor, I'll have to read up a bit to come up with plausible conclusions.

[Commander9]

Not sure whether anyone has noticed, but my activity has been extremely weak in all games for the last 3-4 weeks or so and most likely it won't come up for at least another week. I'll try to post as much info as I can now and respond. If you want me to be replaced, I will gladly do so, because I hate to be killed mainly for inactivity (Just like I wanted to be replaced in Unmafia).

But the person who stood out the most to me was commander. Particularly for this post:

I'm confusedzel. You say that you're worried about something happening with this bandwagon but given the pure randomness and such of this wagon I would have a hard time seeing anything coming from it that would make you claim or have you lynched. It would be put on the bandwagoners. No one would make you claim for jokes. However you seem to be scared about this. I have a feeling that you're scum that's afraid of having to claim. I think if you were town you'd just be relaxed and not feel much pressure from it, but because you're so moved by it (before the bandwagon even gets that big) I have a feeling that you are scumzel. My confusing joke vote is now a real votezel.

This. You've started the joke and got a few joke votes, but suddenly started getting nervous and making explanations...

Before fircoal had posted his reasons for suspecting two commander's posts regarding TWO's wagon had appeared to be made mostly in jest. Fircoal casts some suspicion towards him and commander jumps on it and it wasn't the only time commander jumped on the wagon.

Well, you have indeed played with me enough to say that I am usually rather aggressive and that along with me having little to no time resulted in what it resulted. Lets take a quick look at my posts:

1) This is when I first vote TWO and it was an obviously a joke vote.

You found me out! I'm Stephenie Meyer, Mafia Godmother.

I knew my awesome powers would work!

Vote TWO.

2) This is the post that most of you found scummiest:

I'm confusedzel. You say that you're worried about something happening with this bandwagon but given the pure randomness and such of this wagon I would have a hard time seeing anything coming from it that would make you claim or have you lynched. It would be put on the bandwagoners. No one would make you claim for jokes. However you seem to be scared about this. I have a feeling that you're scum that's afraid of having to claim. I think if you were town you'd just be relaxed and not feel much pressure from it, but because you're so moved by it (before the bandwagon even gets that big) I have a feeling that you are scumzel. My confusing joke vote is now a real votezel.

This. You've started the joke and got a few joke votes, but suddenly started getting nervous and making explanations...

First of all, it was the start of Day 1 and still a joke vote stage. I have only agreed with what Fir said (and I still do now), but my vote was on her BEFORE. Not sure how agreeing with someone that someone had been scummy is a crime. Was I supposed to post a 5 page analysis over that one small post?

After it, I say that my joke vote perhaps had some truth in it:

Oh god, come on. Both of those arguments are a bit WIFOM to me. I think TWO got himself into trouble with a somewhat less joke of a post. I think most people get defensive when they're under pressure.

Nothing is too serious or concrete just yet, but as of now, that's the only scummy thing we've had. There was barely any pressure and that response was definitely rather scummy. The only other thing we can do is go back to joke votes which would not do anything good to the town?

EDIT: fastposted.

My bad, he was at L-4. Either way, it's kind of concerning. The bw developed rather quickly. If this is the lead we want to pursue, I'm fine with that given it's Day 1.

The votes acquired fast, but I wouldn't say that he was in any danger of being lynched. All of those votes have been joke votes until that moment and while I can understand it being concerning (I probably would have been a bit concerned myself), but I still would say that his response was stronger than anyone would have expected.

Not saying he's our Day 1 lynch and that's it, but as off now, we don't have any better leads.

Perhaps I needed to have looked at his posts as someone who has not become accustomed to his behaviour.

The post you quoted also seemed to be a joke response. TWO has a habit of making comments that seem to pick on himself, make exaggerated comments and he generally appears scummy with his posts. Of course, those that are accustomed to him should know this and be able to pick apart him doing his usual routine and when he's being extra suspicious - I'm finding Fircoal to be more suspicious than TWO is.

So if the player is usually acting suspiciously, we should just turn a blind eye? Give him a sens-pass? Nope, sorry, don't agree with that. TWO had a few joke votes and no pressure and the reaction was much more than was called upon. I'm not suggesting we lynch him and that we set it up, but as of now I don't see any reasons to unvote. He has been the scummiest person so far and I will not unvote just to fit someone's needs. Should another person come out with something out of the ordinary, this would change.

If I am guilty for keeping my vote on a scummy person, well, might as well lynch me now then.

Also, people keep saying I jumped on BW's - I'd love you to explain this. The only person who I voted without a joke was TWO. Can anyone else point out my BW?

[strike wolf]

my point overall had less to do with the general bandwagoning and the fact that until Fircoal tried to make a case out of it you didn't seem that concerned with his defensive behavior. I would agree that you are usually aggressive and have become more so in the last few games as you've gotten more comfortable with play styles yes.

[VioIet]

Not sure whether anyone has noticed, but my activity has been extremely weak in all games for the last 3-4 weeks or so and most likely it won't come up for at least another week. I'll try to post as much info as I can now and respond. If you want me to be replaced, I will gladly do so, because I hate to be killed mainly for inactivity (Just like I wanted to be replaced in Unmafia).

You did not want to be replaced in Unmafia for inactivity. You asked to be replaced because flores offended you. You asked to be replaced a week before your finals. Thought for sure you were scum for that.

Strikewolf has replaced theherkman

I think that strikewolf will need a replacement now.

the only problem with that theory is if they were lovers they either did not know they were lovers or were trying extra hard to distance themselves from each other. My money is on Sk.

I am pretty sure they both knew they were lovers and were trying to distance themselves. I agree that there is a SK out there.

Oh nerts.

Care to elaborate?

[aage]

Oh nerts.

Care to elaborate?

Uhm, she died?


Also, I agree with Commander9 on this. His defence makes sense to me. I'd like to continue with the line of yesterday, in which we did pressure TWO, possibly, but without any result. I'd like to see some now.

vote TWO

[strike wolf]

This is probably going to be my last post in any mafia game for a while but vio addressed replacing me and I just thought I'd say this now before I came back to find out that I have been. I will most likely not be paying attention to any of my mafia games over the next so many days however I should be back in less than a week and would prefer not to be replaced (this goes for the Matrix mafia as well). However if Iliad feels I should be replaced than that's fine.

[Commander9]

Not sure whether anyone has noticed, but my activity has been extremely weak in all games for the last 3-4 weeks or so and most likely it won't come up for at least another week. I'll try to post as much info as I can now and respond. If you want me to be replaced, I will gladly do so, because I hate to be killed mainly for inactivity (Just like I wanted to be replaced in Unmafia).

You did not want to be replaced in Unmafia for inactivity. You asked to be replaced because flores offended you. You asked to be replaced a week before your finals. Thought for sure you were scum for that.

Yes, but remember that I said I wanted to just quit, and screw it overall, but I asked to be replaced. I could have just gone down as an inactive and died out or be modkilled, but I asked to be replaced instead. If you'd like to, I can find the exact msg.