Quentin Tarantino Mafia Night 3 (Mafia Win!)

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:34 am

If you'll notice, I did read back a bit.

I was asked by a friend of a friend to join this game, as a favor, so I'm really not here to debate the ethics of "how to play mafia".

You are right in saying it Is a game. And as such, I will play my game, and you play yours? And I will continue to nit pick at anything scummy I find in your game.

As for arrogance: Meh. If that is your big defense against my claims, then I'm happy to see it. Because all that means is that you found nothing else to dispute.

I'll note that while you can't change the fact that you may have been given a VT role, I have mentioned in a previous post why I don't think that there is another VT.

In any case, you went straight back to the AtE. "It's a game!" "You're too arrogant!" "Chill out!"

Look, I want more content from you. Scum reads, reasonings, and town reads.

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:39 am

There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

Can you tell me why the third option of "start a new wagon on your biggest scum read" didn't occur to you?

Respond to the bolded: If you thought the case was weak, why didn't you push for one you felt more strongly about?

by **safariguy5** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:47 pm

Vote Count

Victor-2 (edocsil, haggis)
haggis-3 (naxus, Victor, Knox)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline on Monday.

by **edocsil** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:58 pm

Heh, I like the new girl (I assume, sorry if I am wrong) although I worry that she may be playing on a different level then some of us. Some of your points are quite good Dlanor, specifically your thoughts about the flavor speculation. My biggest question for you Is what is so suspicious about the bulletproof bodyguard? We don't play many games that are as vanilla as this, and I have seen that role here several times. Would it not be better to investigate first and shoot later on such a potentially useful role?

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:08 pm

Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

Can you tell me why the third option of "start a new wagon on your biggest scum read" didn't occur to you?

Respond to the bolded: If you thought the case was weak, why didn't you push for one you felt more strongly about?

Respond to bolded and red. There were no other cases. I had no other leads except the weak case.

Also, I don't get the part about too many VTs. There are only 2 revealed VTs. In a 16 player game ...

To strike: The fact that he claimed a main character means nothing. He could have claimed the character he has and changed the alignment.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the THREE claimed protection roles is bullshiting. At this point Victor seems the most likely candidate.

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:15 pm

edocsil wrote:Heh, I like the new girl (I assume, sorry if I am wrong) although I worry that she may be playing on a different level then some of us. Some of your points are quite good Dlanor, specifically your thoughts about the flavor speculation. My biggest question for you Is what is so suspicious about the bulletproof bodyguard? We don't play many games that are as vanilla as this, and I have seen that role here several times. Would it not be better to investigate first and shoot later on such a potentially useful role?

My biggest problem is that the whole point of Bodyguard is that they die protecting their target, should it be hit.

So the idea that the bodyguard doesn't die when protecting from a attempted hit, would make him more or less a Doc.

But hey, I am also unsure if you guys use BG's that shoot back, and kill people who attempt to target their protects, which would make this role even more overpowered xD

But you are right in saying that he is not the lynch for today. I'm much more willing to be wrong and lynch the VT, then I am to lynch our BG.

Of course, if this is lylo, it won't make much difference. But even still, I find Haggis worse than Victor.

P-Edit: Haggis, so you're saying that you were unable to make any other reads besides Karen last day? She was your ONLY read, which you admit to being "weak"?

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:19 pm

edocsil wrote:Heh, I like the new girl (I assume, sorry if I am wrong) although I worry that she may be playing on a different level then some of us. Some of your points are quite good Dlanor, specifically your thoughts about the flavor speculation. My biggest question for you Is what is so suspicious about the bulletproof bodyguard? We don't play many games that are as vanilla as this, and I have seen that role here several times. Would it not be better to investigate first and shoot later on such a potentially useful role?

Question. If you believe the bolded, why are you voting Victor?

by **edocsil** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:37 pm

Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
edocsil wrote:Heh, I like the new girl (I assume, sorry if I am wrong) although I worry that she may be playing on a different level then some of us. Some of your points are quite good Dlanor, specifically your thoughts about the flavor speculation. My biggest question for you Is what is so suspicious about the bulletproof bodyguard? We don't play many games that are as vanilla as this, and I have seen that role here several times. Would it not be better to investigate first and shoot later on such a potentially useful role?

Question. If you believe the bolded, why are you voting Victor?

It was from before he claimed, and does not reflect my current opinion. UNVOTE

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:45 pm

Oh, ok. ^_^

by **strike wolf** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:54 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

Can you tell me why the third option of "start a new wagon on your biggest scum read" didn't occur to you?

Respond to the bolded: If you thought the case was weak, why didn't you push for one you felt more strongly about?

Respond to bolded and red. There were no other cases. I had no other leads except the weak case.

Also, I don't get the part about too many VTs. There are only 2 revealed VTs. In a 16 player game ...

To strike: The fact that he claimed a main character means nothing. He could have claimed the character he has and changed the alignment.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the THREE claimed protection roles is bullshiting. At this point Victor seems the most likely candidate.

let me say this if Lt. Aldo The Apache Raine, the main protagonist and hero of Inglourious Basterds, is mafia than give me a gun and let me go shoot the mod...we already know that Shoshana (who you could easily argue was the 2nd main protagonist was town even as a lover so why would Aldo be mafia?

Other than that 3 does sound like a large number of vts.

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:58 pm

strike wolf wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

Can you tell me why the third option of "start a new wagon on your biggest scum read" didn't occur to you?

Respond to the bolded: If you thought the case was weak, why didn't you push for one you felt more strongly about?

Respond to bolded and red. There were no other cases. I had no other leads except the weak case.

Also, I don't get the part about too many VTs. There are only 2 revealed VTs. In a 16 player game ...

To strike: The fact that he claimed a main character means nothing. He could have claimed the character he has and changed the alignment.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the THREE claimed protection roles is bullshiting. At this point Victor seems the most likely candidate.
let me say this if Lt. Aldo The Apache Raine, the main protagonist and hero of Inglourious Basterds, is mafia than give me a gun and let me go shoot the mod...we already know that Shoshana (who you could easily argue was the 2nd main protagonist was town even as a lover so why would Aldo be mafia?

Other than that 3 does sound like a large number of vts.

WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT FLAVOR SPECULATION?

God,if Haggis wasn't so bad, I'd vote you for policy.

by **safariguy5** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:17 pm

Vote Count

Victor-1 (haggis)
haggis-3 (naxus, Victor, Knox)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline on Monday.

by **strike wolf** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:30 pm

Here's the thing Knox or whatever you like to go by. I really don't have a problem with you in fact I like the fact we seem to have a new player on the site who has prior experience and the arrogance issue is bs as there are plenty of people who have been here for a while who are arrogant in their own rights but if you want us to listen to you about what you say we shouldn't do you'll have to earn that respect first.

by **ga7** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:31 pm

Sigh, there are two things that bother me with all this:
-We're prolly at LyLo
-You don't seem to take it in account at all.
If you want to compare claims it is fucking surreal to think there's more likely 4 protection roles than 4 VTs. Haggis even assumed early on Mandy was VT so that makes me believe him way more than Vic's bulletproof doc claim. If you want to metagame his experience you also have to consider he recently made one of the most intricately crafted fakeclaims of the last games as scum so it isn't very credible for him to go for the lazy VT option, even though it would make sense in this game full of VTs and minor roles.
Now, about Vic's claim, the ones that shoot back are usually called Elite Bodyguard, and it's a wonder he didn't claim that too :roll:

The argument that you don't want to risk that role is total BS too, since if we're at LyLo we can't afford a mistake and we're probably too short on time to find another clear case (or run the risk that a quick wagon on a new case just gives mafia the win). I'm mostly worried that we lynch Haggis, he turns out to be the VT he claims to be and it's game over while Victor, Nag & I suppose Strike/Tails laugh at us. The flavour argument is pretty silly as again, the mod has tons of characters to pick from which means he can give whoever the hell he wants as fakeclaim to screw with us. He even bragged about his fakeclaims, yet you give it so much importance strike that it certainly makes me think you're part of that team.

Bottom line is, most people actively defended Victor and/or voted/pointed that they'd vote Haggis. At likely LyLo. Doesn't that tell you anything? At best Haggis could be a SK, but clearly not part of a scum team.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:46 pm

Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Dlanor A. Knox wrote:
There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

Can you tell me why the third option of "start a new wagon on your biggest scum read" didn't occur to you?

Respond to the bolded: If you thought the case was weak, why didn't you push for one you felt more strongly about?

Respond to bolded and red. There were no other cases. I had no other leads except the weak case.

Also, I don't get the part about too many VTs. There are only 2 revealed VTs. In a 16 player game ...

To strike: The fact that he claimed a main character means nothing. He could have claimed the character he has and changed the alignment.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the THREE claimed protection roles is bullshiting. At this point Victor seems the most likely candidate.
let me say this if Lt. Aldo The Apache Raine, the main protagonist and hero of Inglourious Basterds, is mafia than give me a gun and let me go shoot the mod...we already know that Shoshana (who you could easily argue was the 2nd main protagonist was town even as a lover so why would Aldo be mafia?

Other than that 3 does sound like a large number of vts.

WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT FLAVOR SPECULATION?

God,if Haggis wasn't so bad, I'd vote you for policy.

safariguy5 wrote:It is now Day 3. I remind everyone that a good understanding of each film will greatly help in this game. Merry Christmas everyone and let's get back to work.

Quit being an abrasive ass. If you don't wanna speculate from flavor then fine, but don't get all pissy when someone else does. Saf built this game saying that knowledge of the movies would help with play, so that's what everybody has been going on. If you don't agree w/ it then gtfo.

That being said, I agree with ga7, and everyone seems to be forgetting about Saf's touted fakeclaims. I'm not trusting AoG/Sully, and I suspected him a long time ago.

-Tails

by **nagerous** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:59 pm

Flavour speculation sorry

but I just can't get over the logic behind having Stiglitz in the game over Aldo that is why I see him as a much better candidate for a lynch.

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:07 pm

Help? Great. If you enjoy the flavor, it'll make it more fun for you.

But you can't use flavor to determine intent.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:00 pm

Haggis, so you're saying that you were unable to make any other reads besides Karen last day? She was your ONLY read, which you admit to being "weak"?

Did you notice what we had going in the last 5 days bedore I cast that vote? Here, let me give you some highlights:

strike wolf wrote:im going. With the justification that logic is inherently flawed and therefore the only logical logic is illogic. Viva la revolution!

edocsil wrote:May as well get the game moving. Vote Naxus

Although, Nag, I do think he said he would elaborate if pressed.

nagerous wrote: Naxus replaced mandy and distanced himself from the mandy theory and made up some hoop-la about how he can't give any more specifics about his role which mandy told us was Mr. White.

I'm going to vote naxus to get this game moving, pretty sure he is scum.

Yes, I had nothing better. If there was a case to be made I would have made it before the mod had to set a deadline.

Also, I can't believe you people saying 3 VTs are too many. But 3 docs aren't? "Bulletproof bodyguard" ... come on people...

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:20 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Haggis, so you're saying that you were unable to make any other reads besides Karen last day? She was your ONLY read, which you admit to being "weak"?

Did you notice what we had going in the last 5 days bedore I cast that vote? Here, let me give you some highlights:

strike wolf wrote:im going. With the justification that logic is inherently flawed and therefore the only logical logic is illogic. Viva la revolution!

edocsil wrote:May as well get the game moving. Vote Naxus

Although, Nag, I do think he said he would elaborate if pressed.

nagerous wrote: Naxus replaced mandy and distanced himself from the mandy theory and made up some hoop-la about how he can't give any more specifics about his role which mandy told us was Mr. White.

I'm going to vote naxus to get this game moving, pretty sure he is scum.

Yes, I had nothing better. If there was a case to be made I would have made it before the mod had to set a deadline.

Also, I can't believe you people saying 3 VTs are too many. But 3 docs aren't? "Bulletproof bodyguard" ... come on people...

Don't disagree that there is too many docs... but we don't want to mislynch a doc at this point.

Better to lynch the ONLY VT claim, when there is now an excess of VT's. There is a better case on you, than on Victor. Victor, all you have provided is "his claim is bad". Well, so is yours. Next points against Victor? The thing is, I won't deny that if you somehow flip town, Victor is probably scum. However, you are more likely to be scum at this point that he is.

So that's why I'm voting you over him. Lack of a case against Victor, and a higher probability that you are scum than he is.

by **ga7** on Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:03 pm

It still really makes no sense to think 4 VTs is an excess of VTs in a game that is so far filled with less than powerful roles compared to bulletproof doc being a realistic role. But I see I won't get an answer from anyone on my points so just congrats mafia :roll:

by **Dlanor A. Knox** on Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:31 pm

ga7 wrote:It still really makes no sense to think 4 VTs is an excess of VTs in a game that is so far filled with less than powerful roles compared to bulletproof doc being a realistic role. But I see I won't get an answer from anyone on my points so just congrats mafia

If there aren't that may powerful roles, doesn't it make sense that the town has a powerful protective role like this? without it, wouldn't mafia just overpower them?

Town needs powerful PR's which they don't seem to have (you yourself admitted this), which makes the super powered BG claim a little more believable than ANOTHER VT.

by **VioIet** on Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:05 am

safariguy5 wrote:Announcement

Dlanor A. Knox has replaced VioIet.

That is pretty messed up safariguy.
Isn't the correct protocol to try to pm an "inactive player," to let them know you are considering replacing them. I responded to every prod you sent.
Am tempted to say some things- but will not ruin the game for everyone else.
I will never join one of your games again.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:07 am

VioIet wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Announcement

Dlanor A. Knox has replaced VioIet.

That is pretty messed up safariguy.
Isn't the correct protocol to try to pm an "inactive player," to let them know you are considering replacing them. I responded to every prod you sent.
Am tempted to say some things- but will not ruin the game for everyone else.
I will never join one of your games again.

Isnt that a little messed up, VioIet? PM him and see if you can sort things out.