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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby pancakemix on Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:21 pm

aage wrote:Before you read on, note that I'm responding to the summary first, pmc. Also I will not quote very single part of your post. Sentences such as "I'd buy that if you'd answer half of them' I will ignore for the time being. Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on that.


Fine. Have it your way. It's there, they can read it if they want to.

a. in a minute
b. Wait, so you were accusing me of using minor points? :P
c. Flores voted after nag did. Also she did so after I revoted Nag.
d. see b.
e. Read your own post again and try to imagine a 6-story quote piramid above each line of text. I would call that illegible. (this also answers the green discussion)
f. ~
g. funny how all the three quotes where I don't use the pr are one liners. As on the third, idk if quoting myself counts but there's a bunch of references at the top.


a. In a minute, then.
b. A lot of minor points > one minor point
c. WHEN she voted is not relevant. The point stands, it was for the same reason.
d. ~
e. Once again, I'm cutting back (somewhat) largely due to complaints from others
g. Again, it's not about the post's content apart from the PR so much for whether or not one actually puts the small amount of effort required to include the PR (and subsequently why I don't think quoting it should count). Since I have one PhD, it might be easier than if I had such a great burden as you with 41 PhDs.

a. Possibly true, I'll believe you. But I wasn't implying that you had. Nag, /, probably someone else as well, has been saying "xxx" and then "ebwop my 39 phds say xxx". This is what I referred to.
b. True. As I mentioned I'm playing several games and every now and then I just have a loose remark that's got nothing to do with my role. In those cases, yes, I forget my pr.
c. I saw. Sig technically isn't part of your post but if Chu is happy with it I suppose good for you.


a. I'll give you that. That happens quite a bit.
b. Sounds reasonable enough.
c. Silence is consent


So what did it lead to? Nag only answered my quote with something like "go f*ck yourself, you noobish lyncher". I don't call that a defense, so I requoted and asked again.


We're still not on the same page here. Your point here is in reference to what occurred because of the post. I was making the point that you weren't talking about the discussion which created the quote.

- He wasn't saying anything. Except when "vote safari" counts as a very well thought through argument.

- I voted him for hypocricy first, then Nag insults me and now you jump all over me. Reread the argument, I only started grabbing my pitchfork and torch once Nag accused me of lyncher and you're his new sidekick.

- I know right? lol


- An implicit reason, to be sure, but a reason nevertheless. Again, that's just a theory.

- No, you didn't vote nag for hypocrisy first. Technically, it was the random vote (which may or may not have been random) at the beginning of the game. But even if I don't nitpick, your reason for voting him still comes from bandwagoning (on the surface, at least). So hypocrisy has been your most recent stated reason for voting him.

And once again, I'M NOT DEFENDING NAG. People always think I'm defending someone when I do stuff like this (and I can see why). Fact is, I'm getting a little frustrated because some people (notably nag) aren't talking at all.

Let's see.
"But no. Instead, he votes for nag using one of the worst crafted reasons ever. He claims that the guy with 39 PhDs would be the one with envy because he's metagaming Fircoal based on the fact that there's always a guy with 40 PhDs."
This is true. Nothing more to add. There indeed always is a guy with 40 phd's. As for the "worst crafted reasons ever", read the post from ga7 on page 6 and then fit in the envy argument.


BLAH! THIS IS WHY YOU QUOTE THINGS!

For the lazy:

ga7 wrote:I think the fact you'd be a doc without a phd makes me think you might have phd envy that could push you to kill others with phds. Say what you really feel, you can talk to us.
Vote Saf


Now that makes sense! Why didn't you just say that before?

"There are a lot of holes in this. Wouldn't a guy who has no PhDs be envious of people who do?"
Possible. But not definitive. As you've seen during the end-of-day scene.

"Doesn't that, I don't know, make SENSE?"
It does make sense, but since about half of all players in here have a PHD PR it doesn't matter.


It's true that it's not definitive, but safari's the one who acted like that, not nag, so it is what it is. Whether or not it was just safari being safari is questionable, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility considering that based on your posts that bragging is a part of yours (if it's even real, which I'm still not sure about but leaning towards real now. Still not sure though. And it doesn't mean your not scum if it is real.) Since that would make it a least/most type deal, I'd say that's plausible.

"Why should the guy with 39 be envious?"
Because the 40 phd doctor, who is always the "regular" doctor in Fir's games, has one phd more than the 39 phd doctor. He has ONE more phd than the 39 phd doc. Idk about you but if I had 39 phd's and all the cool kids had 40 I'd be pretty jealous.


Not definitive. Just because 40 is the "cool kid's number" doesn't mean anything. Apparently all the cool kids just have PhDs.

"If so, wouldn't the doc with 40 be the one who would be envious (which nag rightfully pointed out)? "
No he wouldn't. He has exactly the right amount of phd's. Who would he be envious about? Me? but I was faking my pr, remember :P


But from a hypothetical standpoint, wouldn't he be envious of you? And why wouldn't YOU be envious for also being one off?

"And on top of that, why isn't he concerned that the one with 40 was on the wagon, too?"
Because that guy had voted Saf a very long time ago and just didn't unvote. That's not the same as "being on the wagon".


As I noted earlier, covered.

Missing something?

Explanation would be nice.


Was in reference to your lack of PR in the post.

Are we looking at the same Page 6?

Still only 1 vote count. But there is one, I grant you that. I guess I was ignorant, punish me for it if you like.


4O LASHES!

Also (it'd really be very stupid to forget this now) I have 41 phd's :)


Ah, there it is.

aage wrote:Also please read the other fircoal game. I was the doc with 40 phd's in there, and just got killed. That's partially why I believe 40 to be the "cool kids' number", but obviously I couldn't state here that I was the 40 phd guy in another chu game :roll:


I'm almost positive I've run into it before, so I don't doubt you there.

You've explained yourself somewhat, but there are still some loose ends so I'm not ready to unvote just yet.

For those of you complaining, feel free to add your thoughts. For those of you not complaining, feel free to add your thoughts.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby aage on Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:11 pm

I'm skipping the abcdefg thing, it's not a discussion any more imo. Poke me if you disagree.

pancakemix wrote:
So what did it lead to? Nag only answered my quote with something like "go f*ck yourself, you noobish lyncher". I don't call that a defense, so I requoted and asked again.


We're still not on the same page here. Your point here is in reference to what occurred because of the post. I was making the point that you weren't talking about the discussion which created the quote.
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There was no actual discussion that created the point... That is one of my points. Nag is ignoring the thread, or at least what's in it. He still doesn't answer anything.

[quote=pmc"]
- He wasn't saying anything. Except when "vote safari" counts as a very well thought through argument.

- I voted him for hypocricy first, then Nag insults me and now you jump all over me. Reread the argument, I only started grabbing my pitchfork and torch once Nag accused me of lyncher and you're his new sidekick.

- I know right? lol


- An implicit reason, to be sure, but a reason nevertheless. Again, that's just a theory.

- No, you didn't vote nag for hypocrisy first. Technically, it was the random vote (which may or may not have been random) at the beginning of the game. But even if I don't nitpick, your reason for voting him still comes from bandwagoning (on the surface, at least). So hypocrisy has been your most recent stated reason for voting him.

And once again, I'M NOT DEFENDING NAG. People always think I'm defending someone when I do stuff like this (and I can see why). Fact is, I'm getting a little frustrated because some people (notably nag) aren't talking at all.[/quote]

pmc wrote:
Let's see.
"But no. Instead, he votes for nag using one of the worst crafted reasons ever. He claims that the guy with 39 PhDs would be the one with envy because he's metagaming Fircoal based on the fact that there's always a guy with 40 PhDs."
This is true. Nothing more to add. There indeed always is a guy with 40 phd's. As for the "worst crafted reasons ever", read the post from ga7 on page 6 and then fit in the envy argument.


BLAH! THIS IS WHY YOU QUOTE THINGS!

For the lazy:

ga7 wrote:I think the fact you'd be a doc without a phd makes me think you might have phd envy that could push you to kill others with phds. Say what you really feel, you can talk to us.
Vote Saf


Now that makes sense! Why didn't you just say that before?

Because I didn't know you had ignored ga7's post before? I assumed that everyone was giving the guy enough credit to at least read his posts, lol.

pmc wrote:
"There are a lot of holes in this. Wouldn't a guy who has no PhDs be envious of people who do?"
Possible. But not definitive. As you've seen during the end-of-day scene.

"Doesn't that, I don't know, make SENSE?"
It does make sense, but since about half of all players in here have a PHD PR it doesn't matter.


It's true that it's not definitive, but safari's the one who acted like that, not nag, so it is what it is. Whether or not it was just safari being safari is questionable, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility considering that based on your posts that bragging is a part of yours (if it's even real, which I'm still not sure about but leaning towards real now. Still not sure though. And it doesn't mean your not scum if it is real.) Since that would make it a least/most type deal, I'd say that's plausible.

I wasn't blaming Nag for having 39 phd's. I was twisting the argument that my phd's prove I'm scummy. Which they don't. They're awesome.

pmc wrote:
"Why should the guy with 39 be envious?"
Because the 40 phd doctor, who is always the "regular" doctor in Fir's games, has one phd more than the 39 phd doctor. He has ONE more phd than the 39 phd doc. Idk about you but if I had 39 phd's and all the cool kids had 40 I'd be pretty jealous.


Not definitive. Just because 40 is the "cool kid's number" doesn't mean anything. Apparently all the cool kids just have PhDs.

Naturally. It's not definitive, but in my opinion it is very much worth an assumption.
However in your line of thought I can see why Safari was scummy based on his PR according to some people. Still, this is Fircoal we're dealing with. (yeah, wifom, I know, but history speaks for me)

pmc wrote:
"If so, wouldn't the doc with 40 be the one who would be envious (which nag rightfully pointed out)? "
No he wouldn't. He has exactly the right amount of phd's. Who would he be envious about? Me? but I was faking my pr, remember :P


But from a hypothetical standpoint, wouldn't he be envious of you? And why wouldn't YOU be envious for also being one off?

I wouldn't be envious because I am even better than the "cool kids". The king of the cool kids, if you like, but then in a non-THM-way. My role doesn't say I'm awesome, it just says I think I am, and brag about being it.

pmc wrote:
Are we looking at the same Page 6?

Still only 1 vote count. But there is one, I grant you that. I guess I was ignorant, punish me for it if you like.


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Ouch. x40
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:37 pm

Well, there clearly isn't much of an argument anymore so if it's not related to the game maybe you guys could take it to PMs? :D
It did make me think Aage as less likely to be lyncher though, but that doesn't mean I have new input because 2/3 of the game is SUBMARINING SCUM!

Vote xeureub next in line for least participation.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby nagerous on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:43 pm

Pancakemix I am not talking because I really don't have anything to say at this point. Your argument with aage got out of hand quick and was not worth reading as it is irrelevant to the game on hand. I called aage out for a lyncher, he called me out for hypocrisy by arguing that 39 phds was not scummy yet saying a doctor without a phd was. I still stand behind my reasons for lynching safari the previous day. I have nothing new to add to the table. At this point the day phase has gone on way too long and the argument has extended into various idiosyncricies within the arguments.

Anyway who is this xuereb character and maybe he should be replaced?
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:48 pm

Replaced? Why, he's your scumbuddy?

(Damn I need a drink. I make less sense when sober :lol:)
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby Fircoal on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:49 pm

Deadline in X amount of days, with X being the number of people who post in the next day from this post.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:51 pm

Hey, that system isn't bad :shock:
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby nagerous on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:56 pm

ga7 wrote:Replaced? Why, he's your scumbuddy?

(Damn I need a drink. I make less sense when sober :lol:)


No I just knew that if I had voted him I'd have my case jumped on again by aage for bandwagoning lol - can't say anything right though! ](*,)
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:58 pm

Lol, that was a joke though. Chu do you have a victim to replace that guy or do you want to wait for my NK? :P
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby aage on Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:37 am

*posts to extend the deadline*

I too have no idea who this xuereb guy is... or if he needs replacing. Maybe a prod might be enough.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:06 am

I can replace. I found this game hilarious, especially the aage-pcm exchange.

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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:37 am

Vote ga7 for being sober. Drunks are more entertaining :D
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby / on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:38 pm

My 40 PHDs include a toxicology degree, shame on you for poisoning people for your entertainment! vote Victor
For the actual reason, a four day sickness out of a year doesn't really excuse going back to joke voting....in the middle of a deadline
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:05 pm

Fair reason. Victor has seemingly no intention of hunting scum so... Unvote Vote Vic
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:23 pm

ga7 wrote:Fair reason. Victor has seemingly no intention of hunting scum so... Unvote Vote Vic

Wait, what? I think all the mafias I am in (at least 4) I am being accused... lol. My vote stands, I am afraid, ga7. It wasnt originally intended to peg you for the lynch, but think small outburst implies scum to me. I do have an intention of hunting scum: you. Ah, the irony...

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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby pancakemix on Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:13 pm

There was no actual discussion that created the point... That is one of my points. Nag is ignoring the thread, or at least what's in it. He still doesn't answer anything


What about that exchange I totally made a big deal out of earlier?

Because I didn't know you had ignored ga7's post before? I assumed that everyone was giving the guy enough credit to at least read his posts, lol.


That's because without the quote right there, it makes your reasoning completely obtuse. And I still think it's pretty obtuse, TBQH.

I wasn't blaming Nag for having 39 phd's. I was twisting the argument that my phd's prove I'm scummy. Which they don't. They're awesome.


Wait... wha?

I wouldn't be envious because I am even better than the "cool kids". The king of the cool kids, if you like, but then in a non-THM-way. My role doesn't say I'm awesome, it just says I think I am, and brag about being it.


But that doesn't line up with you 40 theory, which is why I think judgements really can't be made on the PRs, not even my 1 PhD.

I'd be cautious about Victor, and I'd be wary of the possibility of him being a jester.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby aage on Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:23 pm

But that doesn't line up with you 40 theory, which is why I think judgements really can't be made on the PRs, not even my 1 PhD.

PCM, I think you just pretty much confirmed my point against Nag. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=132745&start=75#p2931249
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby nagerous on Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:51 pm

aage wrote:
But that doesn't line up with you 40 theory, which is why I think judgements really can't be made on the PRs, not even my 1 PhD.

PCM, I think you just pretty much confirmed my point against Nag. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=132745&start=75#p2931249


My 39 phds think that you are a complete moron if you are going back there. What do you call the hypocrite who calls another hypocrite a hypocrite? Your whole argument on day 1 was based on the fact my 39 phds was supposedly scummy yet why do you not call on ga7 for posting the same thing as I did essentially one post above me. You seriously over-play lyncher kid.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby aage on Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:00 pm

The fact that this guy doesn't even have the sense to put down a civilized response should say enough already :roll: I wasn't "going back there", I was pointing out pcm was battling the wrong statement.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby nagerous on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:01 pm

aage wrote:The fact that this guy doesn't even have the sense to put down a civilized response should say enough already :roll: I wasn't "going back there", I was pointing out pcm was battling the wrong statement.


You've been talking in circles for a while. Expect a civilised response when you are actually willing to play mafia properly rather than continuing on some confused biased witch hunt.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby pancakemix on Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:50 pm

aage wrote:
But that doesn't line up with you 40 theory, which is why I think judgements really can't be made on the PRs, not even my 1 PhD.

PCM, I think you just pretty much confirmed my point against Nag. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=132745&start=75#p2931249


Lol no. Flores said the same thing. Ga7 said almost the same thing. Your original argument on nag was about his 39 PhDs. You forgot your PR again. Twice.

(I have 1 PhD).
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:02 pm

Victor: this is clearly an afterthefact attempt to make your vote look more serious. You haven't even put forward anything against me... Vote stays.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:05 pm

ga7 wrote:Victor: this is clearly an afterthefact attempt to make your vote look more serious. You haven't even put forward anything against me... Vote stays.

Lol, of course it does.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby nagerous on Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:16 am

So what's the plan then? Lynch xuereb for inactivity? Wait for him to be replaced? Has the deadline not passed yet? DISCUSS.
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Re: Roll Mafia I (8/10) *Day 2 or TALSE >:U*

Postby ga7 on Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:47 am

The problem is that the fucking Chu has Tails available to replace, but despite repeated requests to take care of his damn game he prefers to make signups for another. Clearly he considers this game botched and has no longer interest in it. I think if he doesn't fix this today this might as well be considered abandonned as all the signs are here to point to it.
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