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by **VioIet** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:50 am

After some reflection, I think I am about to do a complete 180 here.

Okay, so Campin has claimed that he is our town vig.

Could a mafia game ever have two vigs?

I think not- that would make a very overpowered town. Usually the town only has one killing role if any. Am I right?

So if indeed this game does only have only one town vig, then the other killing roles must be mafia and/or SK.

This person can't be a busdriver because both busdrivers were killed and I highly doubt there are anymore in the game.

Campin confirming that he did not target Saxlad but Victor instead helps me out a bit. It means that I just may know who really targeted sax. And chances are good that this person may be scum.

I don't want to speak up because I'm still afraid that I may have been busdriven. I wanted to wait another night, so i could compare my Night 2 results to my Night 1 result.

But if my suspicions are right, and I haven't been busdriven, then we have no time to waste.

If we lynch campin, who is a misguided townie, we will skip the day phase and have two nights in a row. Two mafia kills and possibly two SK kills. It might be better for the town to pursue another route. I have a feeling scum are probably making the best arguments against campin.

by **Fircoal** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:07 am

And suddenly Voilet fell onto the floor. Everyone gathered around her to see what had happened. A pulse was taken an it was read that she was no longer with us. Everyone just stood in wonder how she died in front of them. Was it poison? This was quite teh death...

Voilet (Tracker) has been killed

Votes Count 10

aage 0
Flores 0
Edocsil 0
Victor 0
Pmchung 0
Haggis 0
Tails 0
Nagerous 0
Strike 0
Campin (5) Naxus , aage , Strike , Flores , Tails
Karel 0
LSU 0
Naxus 0
TWO 0
Skoffin 0
Fircoal 0
No Lynch 0 Campin

15 Alive, 8 to Lynch, 7 for new car (Fircoal votes do NAWT count for this)

by **edocsil** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:01 am

Vote campin, LaL. I feel like Vio's kill was like the briarsburg anticlaim role, and the kill was submitted before her last post.

by **aage** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:00 am

Fircoal wrote:No Lynch 0 Campin

Is this a mistake?

I think violet has been killed by whoever targeted Saxlad tonight. Campin wasn't him so he should die, right here right now, for lying and all that.
It's a pity she didn't tell us who targeted Sax tonight but if it was a vig I think that's ok.

by **strike wolf** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:05 am

Well that confirms the suspicions that it was a day killer out there. This kill kind of unnerves me to be honest. I'm not sure what it means but it seemed less random than the ga7 kill...think about roles though if someone could kill day and night it might make the game unbalanced. A mafia that got redirected into its own player might work if they have their own day killer I guess but the scarier idea maybe is that it's someone working independently as some sort of day killer.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:13 am

I read, but I had a hockey game just after I got my role. I got hit from behind into the boards and got a 2 bruised ribs, and a sprained ankle, so I lost a lot of time reading while in the hospital getting X-Rays and stuff

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:15 am

Right now, I'm not shooting at night if somebody pointed a gun at my head.

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:21 am

I'm not entirely sure what I believe to be happening with these day deaths really. I don't actually think ga was killed, I assumed his death came from the suicidal part of his role. As for vio's death... well, I must wonder why she wasn't killed yesterday if we have someone who can kill every day. Day killers are tricksy roles and mods have to carefully work them into games. So if we do have a day killer I'd wager that they'd also have some sort of condition to it. Such as limited shots, low chances of it going through, can only kill on certain days etc. That last one might work for a theory, as I don't actually think ga was a day kill target, so vio could have been a 'certain day target'. Only way to see is to have another day death though, but we should aim to remove any day killer before that point.

Campin_Killer wrote:What was it?

Was that question to me or strike?

Strike has already covered plenty of the case on camp so don't have much else to add. However camp's blasé attitude is bothering me. You claim you didn't read past a certain point yet you were talking about things that happened past that point. You tried to use sax's death to claim pro-townie points when you *knew* that mafia could have killed other mafia with busdrivers. I can only conclude there that you tried to use this misinformation to make townies more likely to trust you. A good townie does not throw misinformation into the mix.

Anyway folks, I believe that camp is scum. However I believe I have the hammer and, considering even vio managed to change her tune on him, I think it'd be fair to give a short amount of time for any stranglers to get in and give their opinion or have a proper defence of this guy. I'm only waiting an hour or so though.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:27 am

I have a feeling that the mafia are trying the hardest to get me lynched, seeing as how they'd get 2 NKs in a row and (possible?) the only way they could die at night would be gone, unless there is a SK.

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:32 am

Let me tell you about a common noob-scum tactic: Instead of defending against the specific things people have mentioned that they found scummy, they will instead say how badly the town will be if they die and that it must be the mafia trying really hard to kill them.

In short, knock off that nonsense and start putting effort into convincing us why our specific issues with you are wrong.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:56 am

I'm not kidding, if hosted games where all the mafia are up in a beloved princesses face.

Anyways...
One of the issues was I was a mafia beloved princess(wtf?). This doesn't seem right at all, especially because nobody would attend the funeral which means the next phase wouldn't be skipped. The person who said that (edocsil) was really reaching there.

Ta1lgunner wrote:I'm thinking you just claimed town vig to take credit for the lucky sax kill, when you had the first BW on you. I'm also thinking you're just using the beloved princess claim to threaten anybody thinking about your lynch.

I don't even have much to defend myself and the reaching starts here again.

The part about me lying. I have told you it wasn't rocket science to figure out I ended up shooting saxlad. I have an explanation...if I can find it...

Me wrote:a) victor copied saxlad and so I ended up killing sac

b) That vic got switched with saxlad by illy.

Option B being more likely.

What else is there?

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:57 am

Campin_Killer wrote:I'm not kidding, if hosted games where all the mafia are up in a beloved princesses face.

Anyways...
One of the issues was I was a mafia beloved princess(wtf?). This doesn't seem right at all, especially because nobody would attend the funeral which means the next phase wouldn't be skipped. The person who said that (edocsil) was really reaching there.

Ta1lgunner wrote:I'm thinking you just claimed town vig to take credit for the lucky sax kill, when you had the first BW on you. I'm also thinking you're just using the beloved princess claim to threaten anybody thinking about your lynch.

I don't even have much time to defend myself and the reaching starts here again.

The part about me lying. I have told you it wasn't rocket science to figure out I ended up shooting saxlad. I have an explanation...if I can find it...
Me wrote:a) victor copied saxlad and so I ended up killing sac

b) That vic got switched with saxlad by illy.

Option B being more likely.

What else is there?

EBWOP, accidently knocked a word out

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:12 am

Someone of do not believe you are beloved princess, while others believe you are a mafia beloved princess. Disbelieving someone's claim, even a beloved princess, is not a automatic sign that it must be all the mafia ganging up.

It's been proven that there has been a mafia beloved princess before in a fircoal game, how is it reaching? Let's apply some though here: If you kill a town beloved princess the day phase is skipped as the town are mourning the loss. So, let's make an assumption in reverse then shall we? Likely, killing a mafia beloved princess results in the night being skipped as the mafia are morning her loss.
Again, it's not reaching as this role already existed.

Tail also does not appear to be reaching, it seems a fair theory on all the odd behaviours you have exhibited here.

Option B is plausible, but that's not my issue at the moment. I want to know why you tried to claim that you were town from that action because mafia would not kill themselves, when you knew that it was indeed possible for mafia to kill themselves with busdriving actions.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:26 am

Actually if the beloved princess is killed at night (regardless of align) the next night phase is skipped and vice versa.

Skoffin wrote:I want to know why you tried to claim that you were town from that action because mafia would not kill themselves, when you knew that it was indeed possible for mafia to kill themselves with busdriving actions.

As I have said, I figured that I got switched so yes, I lied, but not really. I gotta eat so I'll have more soon

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:32 am

That is not how beloved princess roles work. If it's town it skips the day whenever it's killed, whether that's at night or day. It wouldn't make sense to have the mafia punished for killing a town role, now would it? Just giving me more of the feeling that you are not a town beloved princess.

You admit to lying but.. you didn't? Wurt?

by **strike wolf** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:48 am

Q for t without the Q on everything skoffin said. Other than edoc quoting an example of where THIS MOD used the VERY SAME ROLE in question in a GAME very similar to this one is not a stretch. Other than that I've already repeatedly stated why as town it would make no sense for you to attempt to kill victor and really don't want to repeat it again.

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:51 am

I'm off shortly and he really has not convinced me of anything, so it's looking that I will still be voting him. He claims he'll be 'back with more' shortly but based on previous arguments I suspect it still will not change anything. I'm willing to give him another 10 minutes to come back with something, but after that I will just hammer.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:02 am

Campin_Killer wrote:Actually if the beloved princess is killed at night (regardless of align) the next night phase is skipped and vice versa.

Skoffin wrote:I want to know why you tried to claim that you were town from that action because mafia would not kill themselves, when you knew that it was indeed possible for mafia to kill themselves with busdriving actions.

As I have said, I figured that I got switched so yes, I lied, but not really. I gotta eat so I'll have more soon

Adding to this.

Skoffin, what I mean by that is that I lied about shooting saxlad, but in a sense I didn't because I probably shot him just didn't target him.

strike wolf wrote:Q for t without the Q on everything skoffin said. Other than edoc quoting an example of where THIS MOD used the VERY SAME ROLE in question in a GAME very similar to this one is not a stretch. Other than that I've already repeatedly stated why as town it would make no sense for you to attempt to kill victor and really don't want to repeat it again.

You can't assume that it is the same role. Why not have a cop investigate me? Because you are assuming. I believe you are mafia, because you are pushing hard to get me lynched as a princess, and you are ASSUMING THAT HE IS USING THAT ROLE AS MAFIA. YOU CAN'T BLEEPING ASSUME!

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:03 am

Also if you assume in mafia you WILL lose. Every game that I've played in and somebody assumes one's role is mafia or town they lose

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:18 am

I don't care about your assumption of shooting sax. I want to know why, when making that assumption, you tried to assert your townyness by saying that mafia would not have shot themselves in this situation when you have busdriven before and managed to get mafia to kill themselves. How could you deny this possibility when you have created this very occurrence in the past?

Camp, last time we tried to have someone investigated to clear up things you tried to shoot them. Sure, assumptions can be bad, but you seem to be trying to have any and all assumptions, not matter how reasonable, thrown out for little to no good reason. If someone claims tracker, it is reasonable to assume that the role works the way trackers usually do. Assumptions/theories are being made based on evidence so far and your reactions, so if you wish for them to go away then you need to defend your actions better.

Anyway: Our tracker claimed that someone else had killed sax, so I am going to make the leap that you were likely switched to killing Iliad. So here is a question for you: Do you think the mafia killed their mafia buddy sax?

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:20 am

Campin_Killer wrote:Also if you assume in mafia you WILL lose. Every game that I've played in and somebody assumes one's role is mafia or town they lose

No one is assuming the role is one way or another, people just pointed out that a mafia BP is possible. We are assuming you are mafia based on your behaviour, not your role claim.

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:21 am

My behavoir wouldn't be so bad, but I'm still doped up on painkillers that the doc gave me with my stupid ankle and 2 ribs. Agh

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:33 am

Sorry camp, but you have not properly defended yourself at all. You've not being answering some of the issues thrown your way, dismissing arguments against you, you've appeared to be lying over certain actions you've taken and it now seems that you are using your afflictions as an excuse to get out of being accused and fighting accusations.
Vote Camp

by **Campin_Killer** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:35 am

Good job skoffin! You have just given the mafia 2 night kills!!!!

Edoc, you owe me $20

by **Skoffin** on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:39 am

Good thing I don't believe your claim then, eh? Now don't be too modest, you had a hand in this lynch too.

Now don't be a dick, I was sorely tempted to policy lynch you earlier for that betting stunt you pulled. :roll:

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