UnMafia 3 (1/19) *OVAR* GO GO GO!!!

[Fircoal]

He's only quitting this one skoffmeister, or at least likely quitting it. The others I'm in at least he seems content to continue and doesn't want replacing. Also, bring on monday

I've found four games where he has made the same announcement about finals and that he needs to be replaced. Where have you been looking?

My wall. I don't think this'll bais the game to say that Commander posted to be replaced in this game earlier on my wall. :/

[FloresDelMal]

He's only quitting this one skoffmeister, or at least likely quitting it. The others I'm in at least he seems content to continue and doesn't want replacing. Also, bring on monday

I've found four games where he has made the same announcement about finals and that he needs to be replaced. Where have you been looking?

My wall. I don't think this'll bais the game to say that Commander posted to be replaced in this game earlier on my wall. :/

and why exactly violet has been reading your wall??
Chu-chu and Vio sitting in a tree:
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love,
then comes marriage,
then comes the baby in a baby carriage!

(thanks wikipedia for this constructive rhyme )

[The Weird One]

Just a head's up: I'm probably not going to be active for the next day or two.

[Fircoal]

Votes Count 5

aage 0
Flores (1) Pmc
Frenchie-chan (1) Illy
Edocsil 0
Victor 0 , ,
Pmchung (1) Naxus ,
Illy 0
Haggis (1) Aage
Tails (1) LSU
Nagerous (2) Victor , Flores
Strike 0
Sax (9) Commander Fircoal
Commander (3) Nag , Edoc , Voilet
Violet (5) Tails , Frenchie-chan , Strike , TWO , Skoffin
Karel 0
LSU 0
Naxus 0
TWO 0
Skoffin 0
Fircoal (1) Sax

19 Alive, 10 to Lynch, 9 for new car (Fircoal votes do NAWT count for this)

Iliad, Karel, LSU and Naxus have all been prodzeld

[naxus]

Sorry for massive submarining. Lost track of this game page 9. Reread though and have some thoughts

Commanders post has been across a few games, citing inactivity or a wish to be replaced. Id have to say vote Commander9 if anything for info

FOS Vio for her overreaction. While im in a few games with her and she can freak out over small things(Crusades and briarsburg come to mind) it is still somewhat suspicious.

I would FOS Tails, Haggis, and PMC but with finals for everyone, less activity is exspected

[Skoffin]

Commenting the case on VioIet, I think it's good to note that she specifically stated that she was surprised because commander had already asked to be replaced in this game. I can't speak for vioIet, but that's what I've gathered from it.

I think that gives reason for a slight FoS on Nag, Skoffin and ga7 but since I don't have access to VioIet's thoughts but only to the stuff these three have read, I think it's just a case of different interpretations...

I agree however on the bit where Commander includes a P.S saying that if he is modkilled, the game will unbalance. I don't really think he would've added it if he were mafia, but then he could have anticipated we'd think that, etc, etc, wifom, and it's still scummy.

If he is going to be replaced, I'd like to hear something from his replacer.

Interesting. For the way I read her comments seemed to be that she was bothered that he asked to be replaced at all, not that he has asked earlier. It always seemed that the fact that he made the same request in other games were ignored. But it is possible that I have missed something. Could you quote where she said this?

What is the reasoning for all three of us being fosed? Your post seems rather vague on this. Each of us also seem to fall on 'different sides' as it were on how we read into this so I'm curious what each of us did that were so suspicious.(Before someone jumps exclaiming 'SCUMSLIP!' on my 'different sides' wording well that was intentional so bite me)

I doubt most people would be willing to risk wifom while asking to be replaced. I'd still like to know what the thoughts on my options listed earlier were but I guess that will have to wait. I don't know why those P.S bits were there but there are many variables to it. Either way there is little to do about that at this point and I do not think he should be the focus of our attention today.

[Skoffin]

sorry for double post, I forgot something.

Commanders post has been across a few games, citing inactivity or a wish to be replaced. Id have to say vote Commander9 if anything for info

How do you propose to get info from something that you just said has asked to be replaced? Why, of all the players, is he the best for a vote? Is asking to be replaced worthy of a vote, really? I'm going to have to assume it is because that is all you mentioned of him while voting for him.

[VioIet]

LOL!! I read everybody's wall.

Aage seems to understand my thoughts about this. I guess he's played enough games with me so far, that he can understand my thought flow
However, since some still do not understand why this is such a big deal to me.
And Naxus I do not freak out. I admit I can be a bit dramatic. But that's different
When he asked to be replaced, I feel my reaction was justified.

I don't know if I'm allowed to quote from people's walls, so I won't. But Commander asked to be replaced last Monday. That was almost a week ago!! If you check the same date, he was quite active in the forums, posting in the mafia games, callouts, clans forums, running his tournament, etc. He has only been inactive since yesterday.

Monday was also the day that ga7 and nag were posting there arguments back and forth. It is something within those arguments that he read and then promptly asked to be replaced. He didn't realize that he would need to step away from mafia for a week until he got a B, which was on Thursday. Meaning he asked to be replaced in this game 4 days before posting about needing to study for his finals. He wasn't even planning on studying on Monday.

Also in his other games, he is not necessarily asking to be replaced. He is saying that he has finals, and will be gone for a week, therefore it is up to the mod if they want to wait for him, or replace him. In this game, he stated that he already asked to be replaced (which indeed he did, 5 days ago).

I saw the post on Fir's wall last monday. I went WTH then, but was hoping that he would soon change his mind and continue playing. Then when i see his last post and he confirms that he is indeed leaving this game.

It would be easier to kill him off then to have him replaced. If he wants to be replaced, I want him lynched. I don't feel this way about everyone who wants to be replaced

My inner feeling just tells me something is terribly wrong with this scenario.

My Theories
1). He indeed must have some type of power role. He wouldn't have asked to be replaced if he was a vanilla townie.
2). Something within the arguments last Monday definitely got on his nerves.
3). He was scared of being lynched or outed in anyway so decided to be replaced.
4). He knows something about another player in this game- but by defending him, he would out his role. He didn't want to commit suicide in such a way- so he asked to be replaced.
5). This is a multi-faction game, and he is the most powerful person within his faction. However this power role is causing him to be totally paranoid, so instead of blowing things for his group- he is asking to be replaced.
6). This is probably a role that he really likes, and maybe doesn't have any experience with- so he doesn't know how to deal with the arguments towards someone in his faction.
7). He wants to avoid dying at all cost for whatever reason, and doesn't have confidence at this point to stay in the game- so wants someone to replace him.

My theories seem to all add up to either:
1). Mafia godfather
2). Leader in a power group resembling Herkie and Team Rocket in Briarsburg.
3). Cult Leader of some Third party faction

I have several suspicions on him. If he was a cop role or pro-town role, I think his playing style would be similar to how he played in Briarsburg. This is unlike anything he's ever done before, and I've played three games with him so far. This must mean that his role this game is unlike any he ever got before. I feel uneasy about him asking to be replaced and about his role as well. This is why my vote is on him.

[karelpietertje]

wow, nice prodz
I'm reading up here again now... I just find I'm into the Briarsburg game a little too much.

[ga7]

Monday was also the day that ga7 and nag were posting there arguments back and forth. It is something within those arguments that he read and then promptly asked to be replaced.

I already pointed out that our heated argument might be the reason, and you provided a timeframe that makes it very likely it is. Not one of you voting Commander explained me why he would more likely be scum if he somehow felt offended by our argument. That would just show he's a pussy

It would be easier to kill him off then to have him replaced. If he wants to be replaced, I want him lynched. I don't feel this way about everyone who wants to be replaced

... Ok so you're so certain you're right that despite the fact he won't post again in all likelihood you want him lynched and not replaced. Even though we wouldn't get a role claim that way. It's even funnier because:

My Theories
1). He indeed must have some type of power role. He wouldn't have asked to be replaced if he was a vanilla townie.

Your first theory is that his talk of balance could link to him being a power role. That englobes town power roles, like say Doc. The one you said above you just wanted lynched, period.

Cbb to tear apart the rest... Obviously my vote stays, this reasoning makes even less sense than before especially your insistance on him not getting replaced and just killed

[nagerous]

Monday was also the day that ga7 and nag were posting there arguments back and forth. It is something within those arguments that he read and then promptly asked to be replaced.

I already pointed out that our heated argument might be the reason, and you provided a timeframe that makes it very likely it is. Not one of you voting Commander explained me why he would more likely be scum if he somehow felt offended by our argument. That would just show he's a pussy

I don't think our 'heated' argument can be the reason, as far as I'm aware he was involved in bigger confrontations in Briars? Did he take exception to my reaction to being voted? I hope not, that would be pretty weak-willed, it must be something else, perhaps a PM from a scum buddy?

[ga7]

If it was a PM the decent thing to do would be to warn the mod though... Didn't something like that happen in a recent game? He might not have been aware of it though. But seriously we can wonder all we want, I don't think we'll get an answer, unless after his finals he checks the thread anyway.

[aage]

Interesting. For the way I read her comments seemed to be that she was bothered that he asked to be replaced at all, not that he has asked earlier. It always seemed that the fact that he made the same request in other games were ignored. But it is possible that I have missed something. Could you quote where she said this?

Here it is:

He has posted that message in several games. He has finals coming up, and will be too busy for mafia. That is fine.

However....

He stated that he asked to be replaced in this game days ago. In the meanwhile he was still posting actively in other threads. If you look at reason #40phd, he states it was because something in this game seriously bothered him. It wasn't just a tiny little thing he could ignore. This particular thing SERIOUSLY bothered him, so much so, that he had to ask the mod to be replaced. And he is a pretty dedicated player, so not like him to just quit without a good reason. Well at least....that is what I'm trying to determine here.

My post was just a big dramatic way of me saying, "I don't get it."


And no.

The blue part pretty much says it all. This post is at the near-bottom of page 15.

What is the reasoning for all three of us being fosed? Your post seems rather vague on this. Each of us also seem to fall on 'different sides' as it were on how we read into this so I'm curious what each of us did that were so suspicious.(Before someone jumps exclaiming 'SCUMSLIP!' on my 'different sides' wording well that was intentional so bite me)

That has to do with you three apparently being unaware of the quote in blue. Especially this:

So what is it; didn't take the time to make sure you were stating facts and substantiating a theory or just determined to throw yourselves into it with this bollocks?

looks like you were just ignoring it.
Yet, as I mentioned, it gives reason for slight FoS on the three of you, but it's probably a case of misinterpretation so I'm not pursueing it because that wouldn't get me anywhere.

However, the latest "inner feeling" argument makes me wanna turn around and run back, because I was more or less expecting vioIet to have a good reason not to believe Commander has a town power role. Then again, that would be stupid to expect because this is D1...

Lastly I must be inoriginal, because my finals are coming up as well (i.e. friday) so I probably won't be able to mod that matrix game as well as I would like, let alone read all the other threads.

[FloresDelMal]

sorry folks, but commander hinted at being a power role, if he was just vanilla or goon, he couldn't be all that important to the balance, and is absolutely ridiculous to risk the loss of a potential townie power role because some ppl here is feeling trigger happy and don't want to wait for replacement, the only decent thing to do, is to move on from this pointless witch hunt based on vio's hunch (seriously, tsk tsk), and if everyone is feeling so paranoid you can always roleblock him and/or get him investigated, not just lynch him because he asked to be replaced, this is surreal, is the first time that i see such a simple request being extrapolated in such a blatant way, FOS to everyone on the commander BW

btw chu-chu check your vote count, my vote was on vio, not nag, who knows how many other mistakes you did.

[strike wolf]

I'm agreeing with flores here. The commander wagon is not going to get anyone anywhere. We're not going to get an answer from him if he's not looking at the thread and his replacement would not be able to answer any of the questions about why commander asked to be replaced or any other speculation that's been thrown into this wagon. Meaning this wagon would almost be guarranteed to go to role claim and I don't find any of the evidence to be substantial enough to warrant that. The evidence is weak against commander.

He has an important role, doesn't necessarily make him scum and could quite easily be a good town role. Being "balance tipping" could simply refer to modkilling a power role so early in the game.

He mentioned he didn't want to be bothered to respond to something about this game. So you have to speculate its some pm from a cheating scummate contacting him during the day. Again I still think the nag ga7 argument might have been what it was, the timeline seems to fit. It could have even been the way one player was conducting themselves inside the game that he really didn't want to play with that person. Sax intentionally playing shittily colmes to mind. Either way the replacement is not going to be able to answer for this part of the argument.

That being said I'm surprised everyone is so willing to follow this wagon giving its nature particularly vio (really you want him to be lynched flat out? Don't replazce him that would just let him defend himself?) And Nag who I honestly thought was a better player than to put your money on a blind lynch wagon even on day 1.

[FloresDelMal]

That being said I'm surprised everyone is so willing to follow this wagon giving its nature particularly vio (really you want him to be lynched flat out? Don't replazce him that would just let him defend himself?) And Nag who I honestly thought was a better player than to put your money on a blind lynch wagon even on day 1.

well maybe they are scum going for the easy kill, commander hinted to being a power role (pretty stupid move btw) and the mafia always know who the members of their group are, so for them it could make a wonderful catch, then maybe they are just eager and short sighted townies, but as you said that is easier to believe from relatively inexperienced vio, than of long date player nag; which leads me to believe that he might have overreacted when we voted it with a weak argument (instead of shrug it off) precisely because by hazard we got scum, which can be indeed quite frustrating for the spotted scum *ponders* FOS Nag (this time is not ad hominem ^^ )

[FloresDelMal]

Do you have any Yuri that an interested investor could take off your hands?

nope, but you can find plenty of scanlations on sites like onemanga ^^

[Fircoal]

Do you have any Yuri that an interested investor could take off your hands?

nope, but you can find plenty of scanlations on sites like onemanga ^^

They took their manga down! D: Mangafox and others are working though.

[FloresDelMal]

Do you have any Yuri that an interested investor could take off your hands?

nope, but you can find plenty of scanlations on sites like onemanga ^^

They took their manga down! D: Mangafox and others are working though.

no not really, what they took down are their direct links, but if you saved the link to your manga or you can recover it from the cache you can still access it, sometimes they have more variety than mangafox, overall when it comes to yaoi ^^

[Fircoal]

Do you have any Yuri that an interested investor could take off your hands?

nope, but you can find plenty of scanlations on sites like onemanga ^^

They took their manga down! D: Mangafox and others are working though.

no not really, what they took down are their direct links, but if you saved the link to your manga or you can recover it from the cache you can still access it, sometimes they have more variety than mangafox, overall when it comes to yaoi ^^

Great Scott! O.O

[VioIet]

By all means, I do not consider going for commander9 an easy kill. It was hard enough to get people to understand the fact that he asked to be replaced 4 days before he even knew he would be taking finals. I think the dates and everything would have been obvious- but it wasn't so clear to everyone.
It will probably be even harder to convince people to vote him.

Yes I flat out want him lynched.
I will not get any answers to my questions, so I am uncomfortable with him being alive.
If he wants to abandon this game, I say we abandon him.

If Commander is indeed replaced, I will be going against that player pretty aggressively. I will be asking them questions about the role, and mostly what they think offended commander so much. These are questions that they will be unable to answer. And it won't be entirely fair to them, because they may not have any idea what annoyed commander so much that he just quit. I honestly wouldn't want to replace for him, with the way things have unfolded in this game recently.

I know him well, and it is not like him to just quit a game. Something went down, and I want to know what is was. And I think some of the people shrugging this off and saying I overreacted are the ones who know exactly what happened and why he quit. There are some who may genuinely be confused, but those who are in his faction should know why I am making a big deal out of this.

It will be hard to get a replacement, and even if Fir does replace him- that person would be at such an disadvantage.
Day one is grasping at straws a bit because we have no leads- but this is certainly the best one I have, and i think its worthwhile looking into. And I think his lynch will give us seriously useful information.
-If he is lynched, we will know his role. So we will know if he was scum or third-party (which I believe him to be). I don't think he is town because he is not acting like it. If he does turn out to be town, I will be shocked. I will be even more miffed at him for abandoning the game.
-Lynching him and finding out his role will give us a better idea what it was in ga7 and nag's debate that annoyed him off so much.
-Lynching him will be a good opportunity for us to get rid of a power role/leader in one of the anti-town factions.
-Lynching him will give us a better idea of who is in his faction.
-He cannot claim since he is done with this game and not even looking at it anymore. Lynching him in the only way to find out his role.

Basically I want to know who he is. I want him dead. I want him gone. I want him lynched.
And yes I know this may be signing my own death warrant instead
But this game is going to seriously bother me until i get some answers about commander and figure out who he is. So I suppose either he dies first or I do.

[strike wolf]

By all means, I do not consider going for commander9 an easy kill. It was hard enough to get people to understand the fact that he asked to be replaced 4 days before he even knew he would be taking finals. I think the dates and everything would have been obvious- but it wasn't so clear to everyone.
It will probably be even harder to convince people to vote him.

. Yes because he got a B on a final before he realized he had any. Finals had already started for him.

Yes I flat out want him lynched.
I will not get any answers to my questions, so I am uncomfortable with him being alive.
If he wants to abandon this game, I say we abandon him.

If Commander is indeed replaced, I will be going against that player pretty aggressively. I will be asking them questions about the role, and mostly what they think offended commander so much. These are questions that they will be unable to answer. And it won't be entirely fair to them, because they may not have any idea what annoyed commander so much that he just quit. I honestly wouldn't want to replace for him, with the way things have unfolded in this game recently.

honestly this part i find the most reasonable part of your post. The problem is you want him lynched for what is really a bunch of speculation picking out the scummiest option based on weak reasoning.

I know him well, and it is not like him to just quit a game. Something went down, and I want to know what is was. And I think some of the people shrugging this off and saying I overreacted are the ones who know exactly what happened and why he quit. There are some who may genuinely be confused, but those who are in his faction should know why I am making a big deal out of this.

. I don't know he had finals as has been mentioned and I believe he had already mentioned that he had finals somewhere a good bit before he actually announced that he would be inactive in his games. Where exactly I don't remember, i'll look it up. I don't know what upset him but just because something upset him and we don't know exactly what, that's a big leap to say that it upset him because it has to do with him being scum.

It will be hard to get a replacement, and even if Fir does replace him- that person would be at such an disadvantage.
Day one is grasping at straws a bit because we have no leads- but this is certainly the best one I have, and i think its worthwhile looking into. And I think his lynch will give us seriously useful information.

. Listen to yourself, you're willing to kill someone based on loose reasoning without allowing that persons replacement a chance to claim. We could end up lynching the doc or the cop or some other power role without giving them a proper chance to defend themselves.

-If he is lynched, we will know his role. So we will know if he was scum or third-party (which I believe him to be). I don't think he is town because he is not acting like it. If he does turn out to be town, I will be shocked. I will be even more miffed at him for abandoning the game.

because inactivity than asking to be replaced reeks of being scum and I've already explained he could be a power role just asx easily as scum. Is there anything before he asked to be replaced that you considered scummy?

-Lynching him and finding out his role will give us a better idea what it was in ga7 and nag's debate that annoyed him off so much.

or he could turn out to be town and we're left with nothing but being down an extra power role

-Lynching him will be a good opportunity for us to get rid of a power role/leader in one of the anti-town factions.
-Lynching him will give us a better idea of who is in his faction.

. If he is one of those roles which I do not believe we have enough evidence to support that.

-He cannot claim since he is done with this game and not even looking at it anymore. Lynching him in the only way to find out his role.

Basically I want to know who he is. I want him dead. I want him gone. I want him lynched.
And yes I know this may be signing my own death warrant instead
But this game is going to seriously bother me until i get some answers about commander and figure out who he is. So I suppose either he dies first or I do.

. Well consdering your post as a whole I still see absolutely no reason to unvote you.

[edocsil]

Well consdering your post as a whole I still see absolutely no reason to unvote you.

And I see reason to Vote Violet

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yes I flat out want him lynched.
I will not get any answers to my questions, so I am uncomfortable with him being alive.
If he wants to abandon this game, I say we abandon him.

If Commander is indeed replaced, I will be going against that player pretty aggressively. I will be asking them questions about the role, and mostly what they think offended commander so much. These are questions that they will be unable to answer. And it won't be entirely fair to them, because they may not have any idea what annoyed commander so much that he just quit. I honestly wouldn't want to replace for him, with the way things have unfolded in this game recently.

wtf? Also, violet, I think you should take into consideration that English isn't Commander's native tongue (he didn't know what firm meant for example), so maybe something was lost in translation. I think you're overreacting. I'm keeping my vote on you.

-Tails

[Fircoal]

Votes Count 6

aage 0
Flores (1) Pmc
Frenchie-chan (1) Illy
Edocsil 0
Victor 0 ,
Pmchung 0
Illy 0
Haggis (1) Aage
Tails (1) LSU
Nagerous (1) Victor
Strike 0
Sax (9) Commander Fircoal
Commander (3) Nag , Voilet , Naxus
Violet (7) Tails , Frenchie-chan , Strike , TWO , Skoffin , Flores , Edoc
Karel 0
LSU 0
Naxus 0
TWO 0
Skoffin 0
Fircoal (1) Sax

19 Alive, 10 to Lynch, 9 for new car (Fircoal votes do NAWT count for this)