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[Commander9]

Whoa...Sully can kill people? How do you know that?

He has a gun.

Who doesn't that include?

flow, karel, iliad, / , spiesr, stefunny, nax, thez.

Sorry, forgot to mention PMC and Jace who I also find suspicious (Jace so much more than PMC, who (I think) is inactive).

Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

You have a gun. At first, I considered that you could have been a cop and just were laying low so you wouldn't be spotted, but now I think of it much more that you're one of the scum. I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm fairly certain.

I wasn't going to come out with this information and hoped to do more research, but after the massacre in the night, I feel like tomorrow could be too late.

[Flow520]

Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

You have a gun. At first, I considered that you could have been a cop and just were laying low so you wouldn't be spotted, but now I think of it much more that you're one of the scum. I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm fairly certain.

I wasn't going to come out with this information and hoped to do more research, but after the massacre in the night, I feel like tomorrow could be too late.

Wow, Sully has a gun... I think we need to hear some more detail from Sully. If a cop, who did you investigate last night and what did you learn? If not cop, what are you and why should we let you survive the lynch today?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Whoa...Sully can kill people? How do you know that?

He has a gun.

Who doesn't that include?

flow, karel, iliad, / , spiesr, stefunny, nax, thez.

Sorry, forgot to mention PMC and Jace who I also find suspicious (Jace so much more than PMC, who (I think) is inactive).

Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

You have a gun. At first, I considered that you could have been a cop and just were laying low so you wouldn't be spotted, but now I think of it much more that you're one of the scum. I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm fairly certain.

I wasn't going to come out with this information and hoped to do more research, but after the massacre in the night, I feel like tomorrow could be too late.

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

[strike wolf]

Ok so what I make of this is basically this. Commander is a cop or at least some type of investigative role. WHen he investigates someone it tells them they have an item on them that seems to point to their ability for example an artist may have a brush or in victor's case his role has a gun. If this is true which I believe it is...than victor would probably have to be a vig or a non-town killing role...maybe a bit more information about your night actions could make it clearer.

[Flow520]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

Am I the only one who thinks that this trying to get the Town role to reveal more about his role before even asking Sully (the accused mafia role) to respond to the claim being made looks scummy?

[Commander9]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

I am a gunsmith, so I can't usually tell the role (unless it's one specific one), so all I know is that he has a gun. However, that added with his behaviour of before makes me extremely suspicious.

Wow, Sully has a gun... I think we need to hear some more detail from Sully. If a cop, who did you investigate last night and what did you learn? If not cop, what are you and why should we let you survive the lynch today?

I'd love to hear about that too, but I also know that he's the main scum guy. If we have a role-blocker, I'd want him to role-block Sully just instead of killing him. I'm still more concerned about Haggis/Flores duo - I'm almost completely sure that they're not pro-town and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them would be the leader of the scum.

FASTPOSTED:
@ strike - I'm a gunsmith, not a cop. I don't know roles for certain, but I know which people care guns and which people do not.
@ flow - no, I want to know that too.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

Am I the only one who thinks that this trying to get the Town role to reveal more about his role before even asking Sully (the accused mafia role) to respond to the claim being made looks scummy?

You had already asked Sully to respond, i asked Commander for clarification(notice i didn't ask if he can do anything else, or who else he investigated).
Was just trying to avoid confusion like the one that made us lynch aage yesterday.

[strike wolf]

Ok so you can tell if someone has a gun...my vote stays on Sax for the moment but I do want for victor to explain why he would have a gun.

[Commander9]

Ok so you can tell if someone has a gun...my vote stays on Sax for the moment but I do want for victor to explain why he would have a gun.

Who started Sax's BW today? Iliad. Who jumped in straight away? That's right, Haggis and then Strike. Both, IMO, a bit too easily.

FoS Strike.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Ok so you can tell if someone has a gun...my vote stays on Sax for the moment but I do want for victor to explain why he would have a gun.

Who started Sax's BW today? Iliad. Who jumped in straight away? That's right, Haggis and then Strike. Both, IMO, a bit too easily.

FoS Strike.

Yeah, except that, y'know, I was saying saying Sax is suspicious since page 74(and was interrupted by the aage thing).

Anyway, waiting for Sully now.

[Commander9]

Yeah, except that, y'know, I was saying saying Sax is suspicious since page 74(and was interrupted by the aage thing).

Anyway, waiting for Sully now.

Agreed, let's wait for sully.

However, that's just another drop in the bucket, as they say. I always thought that Sax was suspicious, but he's in much more games with me and I've noticed a pattern that it doesn't matter who he is - he still manages to look scummy. Seeing that several people jumped on him straight away, now I think that he's not guilty.

[spiesr]

Okay, if your a gunsmith then you should have 1 more investigation besides sully, right? Would you like to tell us now about that one now, or save it for later hoping to catch that other person faking a role claim?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Yeah, except that, y'know, I was saying saying Sax is suspicious since page 74(and was interrupted by the aage thing).

Anyway, waiting for Sully now.

Agreed, let's wait for sully.

However, that's just another drop in the bucket, as they say. I always thought that Sax was suspicious, but he's in much more games with me and I've noticed a pattern that it doesn't matter who he is - he still manages to look scummy. Seeing that several people jumped on him straight away, now I think that he's not guilty.

Uhm well in the crusades mafia, he acted suspicious and guess what, he was a 3rd party mercenary.

Also, about you finding him also suspicious, well ... you find 12 out of the 21 players suspicious. Considering how Sax's been acting it would have been really odd for you not to put him on the "suspicious" list.

Anyway, like you say, it doesn't really matter.

[Thezzaruz]

Gunsmith, nice...

Wow, Sully has a gun... I think we need to hear some more detail from Sully. If a cop, who did you investigate last night and what did you learn? If not cop, what are you and why should we let you survive the lynch today?

That's a very interesting question. There are usually several roles that can have Guns and not all of them are bad but a large portion is.

[strike wolf]

So what roles traditionally would show as having a gun?

[Flow520]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

Am I the only one who thinks that this trying to get the Town role to reveal more about his role before even asking Sully (the accused mafia role) to respond to the claim being made looks scummy?

You had already asked Sully to respond, i asked Commander for clarification(notice i didn't ask if he can do anything else, or who else he investigated).
Was just trying to avoid confusion like the one that made us lynch aage yesterday.

All Commander9 said was that he knew Sully had a gun. Haggis_McMutton then immediately asked if Commander9's power extended to all items. I call Haggis on it and get a response which contradicts Haggis's previous question to Commandar9. Seems to me Haggis knew the claim was true and was trying to determine how much of a threat Commander9 is to the mafia.

[Commander9]

Okay, if your a gunsmith then you should have 1 more investigation besides sully, right? Would you like to tell us now about that one now, or save it for later hoping to catch that other person faking a role claim?

I would rather not tell of it. This wouldn't give us anything of value at this point and possibly could only do some damage.

So what roles traditionally would show as having a gun?

According to my PM, ,mafia members, cops, and vigilantes all carry guns. Also, from what I understand, SK do not. If I find a certain gun, I can tell that this person is definitely scum.

[Commander9]

I already stated all of the information I think is valuable and needed right here in my first two posts. I shall not explain or say more than I have. After the bloodshed, this is the key point - if we wait another night, it's possible that we'd lose another 3 townies and then it would be too late to do anything. I presented my case and my evidence - I don't know whether I am definitely correct, but if we waste more time (and I feel Sax's lynch would be exactly that), the game would be lost.

After Day 1, I was hoping to continue to play like I was playing, do not attract overly much Mafia attention and investigate more people before I come out with my evidence and thoughts, but the massacre changed my mind. If I won't be here the next night, at least my small amount of info will. I tried to do what I can before and failed and just felt that this step-out was needed.

As far as lynching goes, I'm still leaning more towards Haggis/Flores rather than Sully.

All Commander9 said was that he knew Sully had a gun. Haggis_McMutton then immediately asked if Commander9's power extended to all items. I call Haggis on it and get a response which contradicts Haggis's previous question to Commandar9. Seems to me Haggis knew the claim was true and was trying to determine how much of a threat Commander9 is to the mafia.

That's what I thought as well.


Lastly, the answer for Haggis - there are completely different levels of suspicion. In reality, I only accused 4 people that I definitely should be scum. I've mentioned other interesting cases, but that's about it for now.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

Am I the only one who thinks that this trying to get the Town role to reveal more about his role before even asking Sully (the accused mafia role) to respond to the claim being made looks scummy?

You had already asked Sully to respond, i asked Commander for clarification(notice i didn't ask if he can do anything else, or who else he investigated).
Was just trying to avoid confusion like the one that made us lynch aage yesterday.

All Commander9 said was that he knew Sully had a gun. Haggis_McMutton then immediately asked if Commander9's power extended to all items. I call Haggis on it and get a response which contradicts Haggis's previous question to Commandar9. Seems to me Haggis knew the claim was true and was trying to determine how much of a threat Commander9 is to the mafia.

Sigh, you're really grasping at straws here.
I had never heard of the role gunsmith. He said he had found a gun on somebody, what do you assume that role means if it's the first time you hear it:
a. It's a role that can only check if somebody has a gun
b. It's a role that checks what items somebody has.

I immediately assumed it was b cause a seemed way to limiting, i then tried to confirm this assumption, turns out i was wrong.

You've got to stop applying mechanical criteria to determining scuminess: He's the third on the wagon, he must be scum.
He asked for clarification from an investigative role, he must be scum.
This type of thinking only constrains people into boxes, and then mistakes happen because people are too scared to act natural and clarify assumptions.

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Good job! (unless he's a cop, then make it as sarcastic as possible )
I'll need to reread on a few these cases, so not to tunnel, but I'm still a bit concerned about Sens' actions.
I would really like to know your reason for the Daze wagon.
your initial vote on her was this

dazer is just being annyoning

vote dazer

rereading the initial wagon on daze (the color pink one, before she dug her own grave) really is extremely interesting in hindsight...

the posts after this offer little relevance. a vote count request, an absentee notice, asking us to kill someone, and a few posts about having nothing to post.

after all that, you were bandwagoned, then at the last moment the daze wagon picked up again for a variety of reasons and she was lynched. your contribution:

vote daze

a vote to kill her with absolutely no explanation of context, while you were under suspicion at the time, and besides that you had never changed your vote of her being "annyoning" in the first place; making it clear your were skimming so much at this point you weren't keeping track of your own vote.

I would vote you right now if current events weren't so cliffhanger exciting. Besides, I still want to reread a bit anyway. so fos

[Commander9]

I hate when this happens, but I will post 3rd post in a row (Yes, I'm replacing Herk ).

First of all, Sully, we know you've been online and posted in the other forums. Hey, wassup?

Secondly, for any other pro-townies - unless you actually have true evidence concerning my suspicions, don't attract attention, don't say who you are, what you do and stuff like that - they'll definitely try to get that (I think they already tried). If you can, do your job during the night, but don't oust everyone - or we'd have another massacre and probably a loss.

Lastly - I was really sad when some of the people died lately, especially since I knew they were pro-town. Really well played Mafia - hands down.

Thank you for your time and sorry for so many posts - I'll stop now.

Fastposted: " / " - as I've stated, I think he's the 5th one of them.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

That doesn't really seem all that scummy to me guys. Investigative roles better start stepping forward and revealing info or the mafia's gonna win because the townies don't know what's going on. We're basically just accusing people based on posts, and we all know how consistent that is.

vote victor

Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

Can you not use the gun? Or is Commander lying about it? I would like to here more about you. If Commander is telling the truth, then you aren't the pgo, and lies cast suspicion on you.

tails (not too convinced, but had some scummy behaviour)

um wut? Care to elaborate? If you're gonna suspect people, you better throw in some evidence.

-Tails

[Commander9]

I had one specific post that in mind, but I've went through all of them and couldn't find it. That and that you weren't contributing all that much were the main beefs for me. Perhaps it was in other mafia - if so, my bad. This is the only post that I've had to dig up:

(and believe me guys, even in the less simplified situation we are in, town roleblockers are good, hmmkay)

If she is recruit-able by mafia or some other faction, then I would say she is a hazard. I'm sure that if we let her live, she would be guarded, though, so we wouldn't know for sure if she actually switched (what maf would admit to being a former townie who was recruited?), so I gotta say

vote daze

And FOS on karel. Either you're ignoring this fact (not likely), or this is a possible advantage to you.

-Tails

I don't think I've ever heard of recruitable role-blockers (then again, my quota isn't that big) and it seems a bit odd that you've BW'ed on Daze then.

However, after re-reading all of your posts, while you haven't contributed that much, I haven't found too much scummy posts.

um wut? Care to elaborate? If you're gonna suspect people, you better throw in some evidence.

-Tails

Posted above.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I don't think I've ever heard of recruitable role-blockers (then again, my quota isn't that big) and it seems a bit odd that you've BW'ed on Daze then.

In my first mafia here, I was protected by a doc, but the doc was recruited by the mafia and then I was NK'ed. That's why I automatically voted her when she mentioned her situation. It seemed a safe bet to get rid of a townie who could possibly become scum. Although now we know that was a mis-communication.

-Tails

[Commander9]

In my first mafia here, I was protected by a doc, but the doc was recruited by the mafia and then I was NK'ed. That's why I automatically voted her when she mentioned her situation. It seemed a safe bet to get rid of a townie who could possibly become scum. Although now we know that was a mis-communication.

I can understand that, I think. Mafia role-blocker does some rather frightening. Also, there were people who vote for much more ridiculous reasons for Daze, so that alone doesn't even earn a FoS. Also, if you look at my list, you were at the bottom list - people that I find interesting. That's it.